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The legal battle between Nokia and Apple has been ratcheted up another notch today with Nokia's announcement that it has filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) alleging infringement of Nokia-held patents by "virtually all" Apple products, including the iPhone, iPod, and Mac.
The seven Nokia patents in this complaint relate to Nokia's pioneering innovations that are now being used by Apple to create key features in its products in the area of user interface, as well as camera, antenna and power management technologies. These patented technologies are important to Nokia's success as they allow better user experience, lower manufacturing costs, smaller size and longer battery life for Nokia products.
Nokia filed suit against Apple in late October over alleged infringement of Nokia's cellular and Wi-Fi patents by the iPhone. Apple responded earlier this month with a countersuit of its own for infringement of its own patents. In its court filing, Apple argued that it was not infringing on Nokia's patents, and even if it were determined by a court that it was infringing, Nokia had not offered fair licensing terms, demanding reciprocal access to iPhone-related patents not relevant to industry standards.

Article Link: Nokia Increases Scope of Patent Complaints to Include 'Virtually All' Apple Products
 

0ld-knight

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Jun 2, 2009
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so what?

apple's going to do the same on them, let's see who wins...
instead of that they could try to make some good phones as they used to do
Since i was a kid i've been having nokia handsets and they worked fine... as a phone! then iphone came out and changed what a good phone is.
The good thing is that if nokia or google or any other make better machines, apple will have to keep up!

waiting for jan26th... 8-D··
 
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MikeDTyke

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In a few weeks, Apple's countersuit will be extended to include every user interface Nokia has ever built.

Move along peeps, this is a cold war game of brinkmanship. With a bit of luck cooler heads at Nokia will intervene and they'll ask a reasonable price for the rights to the GSM patent stack.
 
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adamw

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Patents out of control (again). Go Apple. Nokia must be scared by the success of the iPhone.
 
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Sayer

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The issue isn't the patents, its that the iPhone is killing the Nokia business model and they can't counter it.

Patents aren't bad, they were recognized as important to entrepreneurs to benefit from their ideas at the founding of this country over 200 years ago.

Its part of due process to go to court over this stuff, even if its because one company is unable to compete in the open market, they have that right.
 
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Goona

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Mar 11, 2009
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The clowns in Finland or wherever the heck they are, are getting desperate. They want some of Apple's billions. Now they want some of what Apple is getting from the Mac and iPod. Greedy bastards.
 
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*LTD*

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Feb 5, 2009
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My my, how times have changed in 2009.

The only thing that will stop Nokia's downward slide is innovation + rethinking what it means for users to interact with mobile devices + a great interface/OS + a robust app store + reducing some of that hardware fragmentation.

In short, Nokia has to start over. This isn't 7 years ago.
 
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arkmannj

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Maybe Apple should just wait for Nokia's stock price to fall some more, then buy a controlling share of the companies stock.
 
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ChazUK

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Wow. Where will all this end up?

I tink that one of the pioneers of modern telecommunication want what they deserve.

(Cue cries of "Nokia fanboy")

Without Nokia (and the others involved in the development of gsm technology), you wouldn't have an iPhone.
 
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aucl

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after years of products in the market, out of nowhere Nokia suddenly noticed these patent violations, … isn't there a deadline for making such claims?

can't wait that in round 3 Nokia will move to some eastern texas court.

IMO the lifetime of patents should be shortened massively, to give companies some motivation to move forward and keep innovating.
 
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genericmacuser

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I use to work for Nokia back when they overtook Motorola to become the #1 mobile phone. Once that happened they went from being future focused to fashion focused. Worrying too much about making creative looking phones instead of functioning phones.
 
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Otaviano

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Wow. Where will all this end up?

I tink that one of the pioneers of modern telecommunication want what they deserve.

Without Nokia (and the others involved in the development of gsm technology), you wouldn't have an iPhone.

I would agree if they had taken this stand from the very start. However it seems to me that this is a bit of a desperate move in response to their rapidly declining position.

They should concentrate on making a new series of phones that relaunch their brand and not this silly lawsuit. Either bring their OS up to speed or hop on the Android bandwagon, which in my opinion is the smarter option.
 
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I think this sums up what the legal battle is about:
 

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jo0

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Nov 25, 2009
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after years of products in the market, out of nowhere Nokia suddenly noticed these patent violations, … isn't there a deadline for making such claims?

you would think so wouldn't you. it's like they let Apple embed the "patented work" into the product line to increase the spectrum of use. Bigger fuss = bigger money.
 
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RaZaK

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Jul 13, 2008
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are they really this desperate?

Just keep throwing crap against the wall to see if something sticks, Nokia. I'm sure that will help your business instead of using all that money spent on litigation to, you know, create better, more compelling products. :rolleyes:

:apple: FTW
 
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CQd44

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Jul 27, 2009
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..really Nokia? You didn't think to do this before?

If this is an afterthought it sure is a late one.

Not really defending Apple or anything but Nokia took their sweet time.
 
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DipDog3

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If you can't beat them, SUE them!

I have lost all respect for Nokia. Instead of trying to make a better phone to compete with the iPhone, they are trying to kill innovation with lawsuits. Desperate companies always resort to lawsuits just before their end.

This is very bad for consumers.
 
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ChazUK

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I would agree if they had taken this stand from the very start. However it seems to me that this is a bit of a desperate move in response to their rapidly declining position.

They should concentrate on making a new series of phones that relaunch their brand and not this silly lawsuit. Either bring their OS up to speed or hop on the Android bandwagon, which in my opinion is the smarter option.

All this is is a reaction to the countersuit that Apple filed.

It will be interesting to see Apples response as there must be more stuff that Apple have that Nokia have infringed on as well as the things in the countersuit claim. (I'll support both sides in their defense as apple deserve to protect their technology as well)
 
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kdarling

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Heads up, fellows.

This is not just another countersuit. It's a complaint with the ITC.

The ITC can and does pretty much make up their own patent rulings.

Just a few years ago, Broadcom went to the ITC with its patents, and the ITC forbid imports to the USA of any Qualcomm based phones manufactured overseas.

That effectively meant that supplies of all CDMA phones would dry up quickly to nothing, rendering Verizon and Sprint helpless. Verizon had to negotiate their own hundreds of millions of dollars of royalty payments, just to free up their phone supply.

This is a very clever move. There is the potential of banning all Apple products manufactured overseas, from entering the USA.
 
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Tones2

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Patents out of control (again). Go Apple. Nokia must be scared by the success of the iPhone.

Apple is certainly guilty of these patent games as well. I always think that those who unjustly pursue to litigate weak "general" conceptual patent ideas deserve to have lawsuits against them for the same. The whole system needs to change, really, but until then, it's an eye for an eye.

Tony
 
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