I remember whose times and I also remember it was pain in the ass. And so you know Apple only played web apps card because SDK was not ready, not because they believed that web apps will be enough.
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Nokia Increases Scope of Patent Complaints to Include 'Virtually All' Apple Products
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I remember whose times and I also remember it was pain in the ass. And so you know Apple only played web apps card because SDK was not ready, not because they believed that web apps will be enough.
However back then 3G was not deployed and therefore downloading applications over the air was technically impossible. As usual, Apple fan boys attribute this "invention" to Apple even though in reality it had nothing to do with Apple and everything to do with overall technological progress. For example, they constantly claim that Apple invented MP3 player because MP3 players were not popular before iPod (the truth is they were not that popular only because small high capacity hard drives did not exist and flash memory capacity was very limited).
Nokia's share of smart phone market is much bigger than that of Apple. And yes they also produce simple phones but this has nothing to do with this thread. Why do you even mention them?
What? As I remember people were laughing all over internet saying who needs mp3 player with such capacity. Again people can say a lot of things and maybe Apple did not invent it, but they made it work and to me that's the most important thing.
Yes also Nokia was in the market long before dinosours walked the earth
Get you numbers straight Apple is only 3 years in the market looks like market share for so called smartphones will only be going up for Apple.People don't pay for functions. They pay for mystique. Functions are table-stakes. Mystique is profit.
I read a long interview with Nokia's CEO recently who reminded me of a Nordic Steve Ballmer. A lot of waffle about needing to innovate, etc... the kind of things you read on Successories motivational posters, or bad brand pyramid diagrams. "Leaders" who talk about needing to innovate are by definition unable to.
Make cool sh*t that people want to buy, and you succeed. It's a pretty simple equation.
mobile, as in mobile devices (phones/PDA's), not computers.
Read this, especially the section on "343 MILLION DOLLARS IS LESS THAN PEANUTS". It includes who recorded the figures
http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2009/12/us-west-coast-drunk-on-iphone-yes-but-android-is-not-the-answer.html
Go to Apple and purchase one without the contract. That's right, they cost a lot more than the subsidised price from AT&T (or whatever country you live in). If you don't understand that, you are really the mobile providers best friend.
Lots of things you buy come with additional costs over time. Funny how people only like to point this out when it comes to the iPhone.
Hmm, that comment shows you know nothing about the mobile industry. People say this about all subsidised cellphones.
You know the e-mail app, the unit converter, the calculator etc on those "cheap dumb phones" you talk about, well they are mobile applications, someone got paid to write them, and they were installed on a mobile device.
And since the entire mobile apps market is worth 20 times what the App Store market is, someone is making a hell of a lot more than Apple on them.
The legal battle between Nokia and Apple has been ratcheted up another notch today with Nokia's announcement that it has filed a complaint with the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) alleging infringement of Nokia-held patents by "virtually all" Apple products, including the iPhone, iPod, and Mac.
I certainly wouldn't mind picking up an i7 Quad-core iMac, subsidized, with a two year contract with ConEdison, for electricity I'd be dishing out for anyway.
AT&T subsidized my iPhone for voice and data charges, money which I would have paid while using a BB on any other carrier.
What's there not to be happy about?
Factor in the approximately 9,000,000 phones sold under the radar to Russia, China, India, et.al. and you've surpassed 50,000,000 sold.
Not too shabby, for two and a half years.
I'd forgotten about the Nokia store. I was more of an SE UIQ user so used their store.
We're also forgetting Handango which arguably was the first big 'app-store' back in the Palm Pilot days.
In the UK you can get subsidised MacBooks from PC World and others. You pay less for the MacBook but they claw it back in a 2 year mobile broadband contract for £30 a month.
If you really need a £30 a month mobile broadband contract then it's not a bad deal. If you don't, you're paying £720 even if the MacBook was £500 off. It's like a bizarre high interest credit agreement.
You can also get FREE netbooks and cheap laptops in the same deal though often they don't require quite so much per month.
The iPhone is the same. Expensive contract as they've more subsidy to pull back from you. That's why you can get Nokia E71s here free on a £15 a month contract but you can't get iPhones for less than £30 a month (Tesco might be cheaper I guess) plus a big outlay for the handset.
I'd be surprised if the cost to make an E71 isn't that far off an iPhone either. Other than the expensive screen, the iPhone is cheap plastic whereas most of Nokia's high end phones are stainless steel and IME, better made. I liked the first iPhone build and the iPod Touch but the 3G(S) much less so.
Those black market phones are already included in the official sales figures quoted by Apple.
It's £20 per month on Tesco's 12 month contract but you have to pay £220 / £320 / £407 for the handset. It's still the cheapest way to get the iPhone in the UK.
Off topic: Are you Shaun who used to do Singletrack many years ago?
Yep. That's me. Left in 2003 to actually earn some money and disagreements over the direction we were going in with the website. ie. I wanted to do more, the others less. Wrote code for a reviews section, routes and an integrated shop but couldn't get them in to the site. When you're a web person that doesn't leave you much room to go.
Saying that, I think it was having to ride a Marin around for a month that did it. Or maybe Mark continually moving my desk into the corridor when I was out.
Running a web design and hosting company now.
http://aegisdesign.co.uk and http://aegishosting.co.uk
I agree. I had a lot of respect for Nokia back in the day. This kind of patent trolling is very bad sign for stockholders. Companies don't rely on these tactics unless they believe it is all they have left.
Actually thats far from being true. Especially in mobile communications industry the patent battles have been going on as long as there has been mobile communications industry. You fight for your IP rights and you do it hard and heavy. Where do you guys come up with your comments like "Companies don't rely on these tactics unless they believe it is all they have left" when in just normal corporate practice....
If you are not some little kid / teenager you deserve a big slap http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/12/...p-to-20-percent-of-employees-at-only-finnish/
So this is the sign of a strong company?
Every company deserves to defend the IP - but i find it curious they are doing the above when everyone is insisting they are doing well and going strong.
I'm still thinking an ITC freeze of GSM iPhones means the CDMA Verizon iPhone could be the only new game in town for a bit
So this is the sign of a strong company?
Every company deserves to defend the IP - but i find it curious they are doing the above when everyone is insisting they are doing well and going strong.
I'm still thinking an ITC freeze of GSM iPhones means the CDMA Verizon iPhone could be the only new game in town for a bit
I thought that was a sign of recession. Not every company out there have been performing as well as Apple have been.
I had a good chat with you about bikes, Macs and the world in general at some ungodly hour at a Mountain Mayhem a long time ago. It's a small world.
I remember that bust up well. No wonder you left, making you ride a Marin was inexcusable.
I thought that was a sign of recession. Not every company out there have been performing as well as Apple have been.
Oh i agree - but the 200 or so posts i read kept a theme of, "Nokia is running circles around Apple", which obviously, they are hurting in the current economy, as are a lot of companies. It struck me as ironic to read last night - after reading parts of this thread (i was reading a backlog of engadget posts, hence the timing).
I'm interested in the way this plays out - although i do think there should be some sort of statue of limitations on bringing suit though. So many years of knowledge a person might be infringing - without a word to them on it - should translate to "consent" somehow. WHich probably would make an even bigger mess of the courts. Otherwise it does just strike me as, "Hey, we know you are using something we invented - go ahead until you are making gobs of money on it, then we want part of it."
ANYWAY...... i'll just keep reading!
But the smartphone market is only a very small part of the mobile market. From wikipedia:
"In mobile phone handsets, in Q3/2008, Nokia was the world's largest manufacturer of mobile phones, with a global device market share of 39.4%, followed by Samsung (17.3%), Sony Ericsson (8.6%), Motorola (8.5%) and LG Electronics (7.7%). These manufacturers accounted for over 80% of all mobile phones sold at that time."
The 20% remaning are about 31 different companies.
Let's make a comparision to the MacBook Air:
I'm sure Apple has a market share of >50% in the "ultra-thin" notebook market. Unfortunately the "ultra-thin" notebook market is only a little fraction of the whole notebook market and most customers just don't want an ultra-thin notebook.
And the majority of people don't want/buy an iPhone or other touch screen phones.
