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Photography is NOT just about megapixels. Nokia, you have no ecosystem that even comes close to what Apple has.
 
Hehe, I think you mean mobile device, not phone. The iPhone phone part is the worst I've ever owned. But love the device!
I mean phone. As the whole way to make calls on the iPhone is 2nd to none. Can't talk about call quality, as that's a function of the terrible phone carriers and not the phone itself.

For me I defo can't complain about the phone part of an iPhone. For me I only want the phone and sms part of the iPhone. The rest is all just gravy.

And from your comment I'm not sure if you've only owned 1 phone (thus it's be the best and the worst at the same time), or you got a lemon from Apple that needs replacing, or something else. But I won't ask. You bought an iPhone and that's all that matters.

Digging pretty deep there lol.
Yes very deep to get to the truth.
 
Interesting post, thanks for sharing into some insight to how the Ad was made.

I saw your original edit - you should have kept that IMO. Wasn't much longer than this ( edited for brevity)

On reflection I thought it strayed too much towards being about the production itself rather than the video content so was kind of going off topic.
 
On the shot of the Lumia taking a photo of the fruit, notice how the fruit behind the Lumia looks much closer to the iPhone photo than the overexposed Nokia one. Broadcast camera colour accuracy is much better than any phone camera. The picture taken and shown on the Nokia screen as seen through the broadcast camera looks much the same as the iPhone picture.

Nokia are probably up to their old tricks of using a different camera than the ones they said they did, their previous ad comes to mind. Especially considering how different the picture on the Lumia looks through the broadcast camera compared to the two-pane comparison shown after.
 
I mean phone. As the whole way to make calls on the iPhone is 2nd to none. Can't talk about call quality, as that's a function of the terrible phone carriers and not the phone itself.

I only used a Windows Phone - went from iPod Touch to WP so I never used an iPhone - and thought that the dialer in WP was an average dialer. I picked up my gf's iPhone and realized that the iPhone dialer is kinda bad. Hopefully iOS 7 can fix it, but overall iOS looks dated there, too.
 
Photography is NOT just about megapixels. Nokia, you have no ecosystem that even comes close to what Apple has.

The quest for more and more megapixels ( mainly for marketing purposes) usually works AGAINST the quality of a photograph.
 
Photography is NOT just about megapixels. Nokia, you have no ecosystem that even comes close to what Apple has.

As I said.

In 20 years time when your granddaughter wants to see the photo of grand dad by the fountain, the model of the phone, the number of apps, the "ecosystem" won't matter one jot.

How good the photo is for her to see will the only thing that matters.

Phones will come and go, apps with coma and go, Apple will come and go, but a photo is a single event to capture that normally can never be recreated.

So in a way the photo is the only part that had any long term value.
Which could be seen as THE single most important feature of any phone as all phone cover all the other bases to varying degrees.
 
So when Apple mentions the competition they're being defensive, but when Samsung, Microsoft, Nokia etc. go after Apple the tech press never uses the word defensive. I have yet to see the Verge, Engadget, cnet, etc. refer to any Apple bashing ad as being defensive.

This Nokia ad is implying Apple builds their phone cameras for quantity, not quality which is really kind of a pathetic way of spinning high sales volume in to a negative. And rather than creating a really compelling ad about their product Nokia decided to just do a lame parody of an existing Apple ad. Which is neither creative, nor funny.
 
Well here you're just confusing quantity with quality.

Nokia is making that point. Yes, people take photos with the iPhone more than any other camera in the world, but that does not mean the iPhone makes a good camera. It is not making the case that the phone is good; it is clearly stating that the camera is superior. Nokia is obviously not ridiculing the statistical advantage that Apple holds, but rather highlighting the sacrifices in optical design Apple had to make to make the iPhone wildly popular and profitable.

Nowhere did I say that the Lumia 925 is better than the iPhone 5; I said it had a better camera. I also pointed out that the quote by Chase Jarvis was completely misused and misunderstood. I went on to explain the actual context of the quote, and why even if the quote meant that whatever camera you have with you is the best camera you can have the Lumia 925 would still make a better camera than the iPhone.

I also stated that yes, more people have iPhones, and how that is completely irrelevant to your ownership of a decent cameraphone. How does other people owning an iPhone even relate to your experience with another phone? Let me highlight the most ridiculous part of your reply:



Even the greatest Apple fanboys will agree that people buy iPhones not because others do too but rather because they think the iPhone is better than others. How that even justifies a comparison of the phones' cameras I do not even know. And you'll probably reply with me "misquoting" what you said, so let me go ahead and reply for you:



I wholly agree. The iPhone is more well-rounded of a device than the Nokia 925. People prefer it over other phones because it suits their needs. Still doesn't mean the iPhone has a better camera than the Nokia 925. That's just comparing apples to oranges. In a comparison as cameras, the fact that an iPhone has a higher resolution screen, runs iOS, and has better speakers will never compensate for the fact that the iPhone has a smaller sensor size, inferior optical design and lagging camera performance.

You really don't have an argument at all.

I earn money from my photography. I'm proud of my work. Arrogant people who dismiss this profession as something as petty as an "artistic bent" just piss me off.

Well, get pissed. I don't really care. Fact is you have an elitist attitude. I have earned money from my photography, also. But photos are not just about art. Looking down your nose at the masses who use photos to enhance their personal lives is arrogant. Pure and simple.

I think the one thing that we can agree on is that the Nokia put a lot of time and effort into making the camera special on the 925. It's better at some things than the iPhone camera, and just mediocre at others.

But the point that you seem unwilling to accept is that people don't buy and carry phones simply because of a camera. And more people choose the complete iPhone package over the one-trick pony that is the 925, because overall it is a better phone.
 
I mean phone. As the whole way to make calls on the iPhone is 2nd to none. Can't talk about call quality, as that's a function of the terrible phone carriers and not the phone itself.

For me I defo can't complain about the phone part of an iPhone. For me I only want the phone and sms part of the iPhone. The rest is all just gravy.

And from your comment I'm not sure if you've only owned 1 phone (thus it's be the best and the worst at the same time), or you got a lemon from Apple that needs replacing, or something else. But I won't ask. You bought an iPhone and that's all that matters.


Yes very deep to get to the truth.

I have owned every iPhone since the original. Like I said, the device is stellar!

Before that, I went through Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Siemens, Philips, Ericsson and Motorola. Never had call issues as the iPhone have. And no, it's not the carriers, it's the baseband firmware in the iPhone that makes is a bad phone. Even the wifi chips has issues, if you have both Bluetooth and wifi turned on. It's always been like that with iPhone.
 
Photography is NOT just about megapixels. Nokia, you have no ecosystem that even comes close to what Apple has.

yes, and anyone who actually CARES about photography, and not just "snapping photos" isn't using an iPhone for their photography either.

Not a slam against Apple, But no one who takes themselves even remotely half serious about photography is walking around with a Camera phone and thinking they're taking good "potography" photos.
 
rule #1 learned in business school: never bash your competitors to promote your own product


Nokia doesn't know how to sell its products other than comparing it to the iphone 5, what a bunch of amateurs :rolleyes:

For the market leader yes, but there were many times when corporation in second or third placed used this tactic well, like: Avis, We try harder. Pepsi vs Coke. Apple vs M$ and so on....
 
Apparently I've been pronouncing 'Nokia' wrong all this time.



The Lumia 1020 has a great camera and all, if only it wasn't on the back of a Windows phone.
 
rule #1 learned in business school: never bash your competitors to promote your own product


Nokia doesn't know how to sell its products other than comparing it to the iphone 5, what a bunch of amateurs :rolleyes:

yes. Thats the #1 rule I learned in business school too.

Problem I have, is that Apple had no issue with this sort of business act 10 years ago when they were attempting to re-stablish themselves in the marketplace. the non stop "mac v PC" commercials and the like.

But when the others do it, its "shameful".

everyone SHOULD hold themselves to the same standards as eachother and ethics. Unfortunately, every company tries to 'cheat' when they can get away with it.
 
LUMIA 1020 makes unnecessary to buy and carry a DSLR
Are you kidding me? Have you ever used a DSLR, the Nokia Lumia (Or any phone for that matter) will never come close to a DSLR. Unless you have a way bigger sensor and a lens the same size as a DSLR, which in that case it's basically DSLR running android or whatever.
 
Call me crazy but I wouldn't be surprised if nokia became the kings again. I believe they are the underdogs of the smartphone competition.
 
As I said.

In 20 years time when your granddaughter wants to see the photo of grand dad by the fountain, the model of the phone, the number of apps, the "ecosystem" won't matter one jot.

How good the photo is for her to see will the only thing that matters.

Phones will come and go, apps with coma and go, Apple will come and go, but a photo is a single event to capture that normally can never be recreated.

So in a way the photo is the only part that had any long term value.
Which could be seen as THE single most important feature of any phone as all phone cover all the other bases to varying degrees.

And that is why we take photos like "Her granddad by the fountain" with a pro DLSR and not some cheap phone camera. (I am talking about any phone here, none of them compare to a DSLR, not even the S4 or Lumia)
 
I don't think you can be 'even remotely half' serious.
I'll give you 'even remotely serious' or 'even half serious',
but you are going to have to choose one.

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Mac vs pc was really fun and funny. And everyone like the pc guy sometimes more than the mac guy.

But itstill ammounted to the same thing. It was Apple attacking the competition by stereotyping and belittling them behind the guise of "PC guy"
 
Excellent ad. I'm definitely going to buy one of these now.

You see, even though iOS is arguably more stable, has a better ecosystem, a huge app store … and although the iPhone has better build quality, resell value and considerably better customer support, what I really want from a phone is something resembling a plastic surfboard with a grotesquely oversized camera on the back.

If photography was my main concern, I'd just get a separate camera.

IMHO, a combo like the new Canon (70D is it?) with a local wifi link to your iOS device for uploading beautiful high-res and more importantly high-lens-surface-area (and thus better low-light response) photos is 1000x better than a marginally-better in-phone camera.

When I have to take a picture now, I whip out my iPhone, because I have an iPhone for many non-camera-related reasons. When I want to take a really good picture, I pull out a real camera (for me, it's a Canon 40D, your mileage may vary) and take a real picture, and take the time to post-process and upload later on. I do see a need for a middling route - where I can take a really good picture for post-processing but also upload a first rev of the capture to Facebook or Flickr - but the Nokia doesn't come close enough to the ideal to make a difference for me. A marginal camera improvement is nice, but not when it comes with so many other compromises on the phone side of the dial (including not inconsequentially the form and bulkiness of the device itself).
 
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