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How is it a knockoff if it's way larger than the nano?

Because he can't say it's ugly, so it must be a copy of something Apple made :D. It's unmistakeably a distinctly different design in every way though.

EDIT: for those saying it's a copy, look at the design evolution from the 5800 XpressMusic to the X6 to the 5250 to the E7 to the N9, and finally to the Lumina 800. No copying here.
 
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Shame on you Nokia! Why in the World would you go with Microsoft's garbage made in India? Microsoft is the equivalent of dog poo, they have no innovation anywhere on any of their products, all garbage! And they continue on the same path. It would be nice if they started investing right here in the US and hiring some folks that can innovate, get rid of all the old rags at Microsoft that are useless and never change otherwise start counting your days to doom!

-Mike
 
I just can't jump on board with Windows Phone 7, does such a poor job of working with any software that is outside of MS.

Until they open up to Google search, Gmail, Google Docs and iCloud services, I'm not interested.

But if they brought MeeGo to the US, I'd be all over that device ASAP.

*facepalm* It sounds like you've done no research whatsoever.

iCloud is Apple-supported platforms only.

Google search is accessible from a browser. What more can they do? It's integrated into WP7 as much as it is into Android.

GMail works on WP7's built in email client.

And Google Docs is integrated into WP7 as much as it's integrated into Android and iOS.... which is not at all.

And Meego? If you want to see fail, that's it right there. That has less chance of success than even the RIM Playbook. (why yes, I do know some former Nokia engineers!)

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Shame on you Nokia! Why in the World would you go with Microsoft's garbage made in India? Microsoft is the equivalent of dog poo, they have no innovation anywhere on any of their products, all garbage! And they continue on the same path. It would be nice if they started investing right here in the US and hiring some folks that can innovate, get rid of all the old rags at Microsoft that are useless and never change otherwise start counting your days to doom!

-Mike

What? India? That's not even where MS' dev teams are. MS has teams in California and Washington. How is that not in the US?

No innovation? Have you actually played with WP7? It's unique, innovative, and I feel it's even better architected than Android.
 
is the nano tapered? does the nano have curved glass, to fit with the overall curvature of the device? if no, then what? Apple not only has exclusive rights to "Square within square with rounded corner", but also "rounded square, within square"

The 4th and 5th Gen iPod nanos have a tapering from center to left and center to right. It's profile from top down is a thinned out oval. So yes, it's tapered.

In addition, the glass that covers the LCD is curved to match the shell's profile. So yes, it's curved.

People got to stop with this stupid "Apple has rights to rounded rectangle" garbage. They don't. They never said they did. The Samsung lawsuit is much more than that. And while the rendering of the blue nokia windows phone might resemble a nano superficially, I highly doubt it actually does in real life because it's plastic, which reflects light differently compared to anodized aluminium. I'd guess it's probably closer to a polished up Danger Hiptop.

Its funny. When Android outperform the iPhone, spec wise, all we hear is: Specs doesn't matter. When someone else does the same, then its fail...
MR logic at its best.

Specs do matter. They just don't matter as much as other details. Comparing a phone only on specs is stupid regardless of who's hardware specs are higher.
 
Shame on you Nokia! Why in the World would you go with Microsoft's garbage made in India? Microsoft is the equivalent of dog poo, they have no innovation anywhere on any of their products, all garbage! And they continue on the same path. It would be nice if they started investing right here in the US and hiring some folks that can innovate, get rid of all the old rags at Microsoft that are useless and never change otherwise start counting your days to doom!

-Mike

Yea, Microsoft should do all their manufacturing in the US, just like Apple does.
 
Nokia can never get volume shipping of these phones since they buy them from Korean OEMs (probably HTC).

If HTC have to chose between manufacturing their own phone or OEM one phone to Nokia. Who do you thing they will prioritize?

The Nokia moron CEO needs to get Nokia's factories online and start manufacture their own MSFT phones.
Then it can be interesting. Nokia is the only phone company that can manufacture 50 dollar phones and make profit. With this expertise they may be able to manufacture a full feature smartphone at 50% lover cost then others. That is the only way they can be saved in this oneway called Windows Mobile.

... You do know that HTC isn't Korean, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Corporation

... You also know that running your own factories doesn't equate to making stuff cheaper, right?

... And how did you get the idea that Nokia would partner with HTC or Samsung or LG to make a phone? To paraphrase Akon, I can't find the words to describe this idea without being disrespectful.

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Unfortunately you are right. I think I just went off on that person because they make it sound like apple was building things in the US and everyone else Korea..

I'm still curious why people in this forum think that stuff is made in Korea.
Sure, some of it is. Just like some stuff is built in the US.
Samsung does have manufacturing capabilities in Korea. But that's nowhere near the majority of even their production.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16027111&postcount=74

China, people. When trying to figure out where some tech gadget is made, your first guess should be China. (not saying it's a good or bad thing, just much more likely to be correct.)
 
Should've put a dual core in here. Are there currently any dual core windows phones? This should've been the one to introduce it if not....I guess windows phone is similar to iOS in the aspect that it doesn't need crazy specs to run smoothly. Optimization is everything.

Optimization is definitely key to a good product. So with that, I ask why you think it should have included a dual core CPU? In the videos, it seem much smoother than even SGS2 and Atrix devices. (of course, comparing to Android is pretty much cheating as Google has shown zero competency in Android optimizations.)
 
Nokia Lumia 800 - first hands-on video

^^ After watching that video, now I want it in magenta! It looks pink in photos, but in that video at about the 1:27 mark, it doesn't. Just looks damn good.

Damn it, Nokia. Why did you have to make both colors so lust worthy? It was already hard enough picking between L800 vs N9. Both cyan and magenta look great. Reminds me of the 80's and early 90's when neon colors was still fresh.

Pictures can't do justice to the magenta color. It is fantastic.

The 800 is an altogether more enticing prospect. It's a premium handset, with an unsubsidized retail price of €420, and it comes in three colors: black, cyan, and magenta. The body of the phone is milled from a single block of polycarbonate—apparently the same grade as is used for ice hockey helmets—to create a smooth, seamless object. The Gorilla Glass on the front is curved, so it too blends into the body with no joint or discontinuity (and as a result, the battery can't be changed by end-users). The phone's micro-USB port is hidden behind a small magnetically latched door. The result is extremely attractive, and the colored handsets are particularly striking. The phone's design—shared with Nokia's MeeGo-Harmattan-powered N9—is eye-catching and elegant.

Nokia set out to produce a phone with looks that people will lust after, and with the Lumia 800 it has succeeded. It feels good in the hand and the pocket, looks great, and stands out from the crowd.
 
Originally Posted by apolloa
Think it's time for some of you lot to have a history lesson. Nokia and Microsoft have BOTH been making mobile phones and operating systems for YEARS and I mean YEARS before Apple.

Do you seriously think anyone here doesn't know that?

Um..... I think you might have misquoted your history textbook.

Regarding phones:
While Nokia has definitely been making phones earliest of the three, Microsoft doesn't make phones. Still doesn't.

Regarding OSs.
Symbian/EPOC32 was released in 1997.
Windows CE was first released in 1996.
Newton Intelligence was released in 1993.

If you meant tiny embedded systems platforms for early cell phones, then the discussion changes significantly as that's on the order of the MSDOS and AppleDOS.
 
The lumia Looks like an old nano, the first generation.
How is it Sony and Nokia and Samsung etc always have crappy names for their products like numbers etc or words that we don't understand, thats why they fail and the fact that there is not an abundance of third party accessories available means these companies will never compete with Apple, why not subsidize companies to make accessories generate some buzz, no one making accessories means no one cares, Apple deserves to be where they are.
Lumia looks okay the name sucks but I guess if Sony made it they would call it something like the mpd dsc2345eu so Lumia as pathetic as it is may sell if its cheap enough in bargain bins. How about next time calling it the Nokia Blue.

Yeah because the iWhatever name is so cool and innovative... It was a fun gimmick at the point it was thought up, after that it's just been silly and uninspired to slap an i in front av whatever generic term there is.

The Lumia 710: available in black and white... how original :rolleyes:

Yeah, we all know Apple invented that
 
Over 90M phones sold in ONE quarter by Nokia...

90 million smart phones or candybars? :D

Found it...

Nokia's smartphone shipments fell 38% year-on-year to 16.8 million units in the quarter, while mobile phone shipments rose 8% to almost 90 million. Nokia said: "The year-on-year increase in our mobile phones volumes in the third quarter 2011 was driven by strong demand for our dual SIM devices, which reached 17.9 million during the quarter, as well as higher demand for our QWERTY products." source:

Nokia devices are far cheaper to own, contracts, Pay and Go.

Symbian is still king in my country.

Not surprised, never seen more Nokia devices in my life then in KL. :)
 
Nokia Lumia 800: The designer's story

I would rather get the N9 but there are trade-offs.

- Lumia 800 gets the faster processor, longer battery life, more supported OS, cheaper, and like more available in different regions.

- N9 gets a nicer looking OS (subjective), front-facing camera, slightly bigger screen, weighs lighter, has 64GB option, NFC, and double the RAM.

N9 = geeks, Nokia purists
L800 = mainstream

L800 will likely sell more, but N9 could be more versatile in the longer run since MeeGo is open source. The homebrew community can eventually try to put WP7 onto a N9 model. Majority WP7 doesn't have an expandable slot (sans Focus) and the only thing you can customize is the tile colors. MeeGo took some of the best elements of WP7 and iOS. L800 will get official updates and has the better future/ecosystem though.

I generally like TI's OMAP more than Qualcomm's, but it is odd L800 is at 1.4GHz and still has longer battery life than N9. WP7 is a light and efficient OS and Qualcomm's manufacturing process is probably at 45mm or 28mm which makes it even more power efficient.

God damn you, Nokia! Why do have to make this so hard? I will get whichever one in cyan, but picking the right twin isn't that easy as it looks. In cyan, it looks great with either OS. Cyan is unisex and this matches well if you sport Carolina Blue or whatever team closely matches the color.

Either way, my first WP7 or MeeGo phone will be a Nokia. :cool:

Quite amusing how Nokia is now trying to be "open", "trendy" and "cool" - :D So much WOW as Microsoft would have you believe!
 
90 million smart phones or candybars? :D

Found it...



Nokia devices are far cheaper to own, contracts, Pay and Go.



Not surprised, never seen more Nokia devices in my life then in KL. :)
Not anymore, I see more people with iOS, Android as well as BlackBerry devices nowadays. ;)
 
Quite amusing how Nokia is now trying to be "open", "trendy" and "cool" - :D So much WOW as Microsoft would have you believe!

There's nothing wrong with offering people what they want. MSFT is doing it right at the moment, they are listening to feedback and acting accordingly, what's wrong with that?
 
The 4th and 5th Gen iPod nanos have a tapering from center to left and center to right. It's profile from top down is a thinned out oval. So yes, it's tapered.

In addition, the glass that covers the LCD is curved to match the shell's profile. So yes, it's curved.

People got to stop with this stupid "Apple has rights to rounded rectangle" garbage. They don't. They never said they did. The Samsung lawsuit is much more than that. And while the rendering of the blue nokia windows phone might resemble a nano superficially, I highly doubt it actually does in real life because it's plastic, which reflects light differently compared to anodized aluminium. I'd guess it's probably closer to a polished up Danger Hiptop.



Specs do matter. They just don't matter as much as other details. Comparing a phone only on specs is stupid regardless of who's hardware specs are higher.

Look at the device. It has tapered edges and rounded sides. Curved screen to fit. That is not the case with either nano that i've seen. And, i weren't commenting on apple, but idiotic comments made by Apple heads.
 
Um..... I think you might have misquoted your history textbook.

Regarding phones:
While Nokia has definitely been making phones earliest of the three, Microsoft doesn't make phones. Still doesn't.

Regarding OSs.
Symbian/EPOC32 was released in 1997.
Windows CE was first released in 1996.
Newton Intelligence was released in 1993.

If you meant tiny embedded systems platforms for early cell phones, then the discussion changes significantly as that's on the order of the MSDOS and AppleDOS.

I should have made it more clear about Microsoft making OS which is what I actually meant. I am fully aware they didn't make phones.
As for Newton Intelligence? What the hell does that have to do with it? Was the Newton a smartphone or a vastly overpriced large device sold as a PDA? Or do you wish to compare to Psion's and Ipaq'a from the day?
 
Microsoft owns Nokia

We are all aware that Microsoft owns Nokia right? Therefore Microsoft does make phones now.
 
Will NEVER own another Microsoft Product EVER again, especially a Windows Mobile phone, after the issues with my Motorola Q9M I will never own a device like this.

I am sure there are others out there who like this phone and what it does, and hope the new improvements are worthy for them.
 
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