Windows Phone 7, coupled with a popular and trusted brand (Nokia) is a potent mix.
Not that I'm saying HTC, Samsung and Dell (current WP7 manufacturers) are bad but they are still not as a popular as Nokia.
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Not that I'm saying HTC, Samsung and Dell (current WP7 manufacturers) are bad but they are still not as a popular as Nokia.
But you are not the only consumer. I'm a consumer too. So are all the other people here. Who's to say we all feel the same way you do? I didn't buy a 3G or a 4 or a 4S, does that make them a mistake? As Savor pointed out, Nokia has been doing quite a bit right to get sales numbers like those. Your voice is not the only one.
Oh, and the Zune, you love taking shots at it, but it didn't fail because it was a bad product. It failed because it was never made available worldwide. If anything the mistake was to not make more of them.
It was available for retail in the US in November 2006, and in Canada in June 2008.
Its performance in a massive, key market (North America) can be typically described as sitting on the shelves at Best Buy collecting dust. There was no reason to make it available worldwide.
Turns out brown was a most appropriate colour.
Exactly. Some variety.
"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer."
If Android runs out of gas, Apple's biggest threat will no longer be from Google but from an old arch-nemesis in Microsoft. Windows Phone has all the potential in the world to surpass iOS users now that Microsoft is banking on the #1 market leader in volumes. And Nokia made millions and royalties from Apple this year from their settlement and made billions from Microsoft in their partnership.
I really thought Samsung was going to catch up to Nokia eventually. It did in the smartphone segment, but there is still a 6% difference between them overall. By the looks of it, Finland's sleeping giant has reawakened. I see Nokia to continue to be the global champion in volume sales. But like a horse race, the pacesetter no longer has a huge lead on the competition anymore, but still a comfortable lead. I don't see a Korean manufacturer ever overtaking Nokia in Europe or Africa and the boys from Espoo still has a strong foothold in Asia.
Actually the Zune failed because of poor marketing despite the fact it had more features than the iPod. They barely spent any money at all. And then on top of that, they didn't release it internationally
You can have an opinion. But stop acting as if you know everything about everything. You don't.
Sorry, I forgot those two countries are the whole world
. By not offering it outside the US and Canada it appeared as though they had little faith in it.Sorry, I forgot those two countries are the whole world
It was ill-conceived and woefully late ---> sound familiar? from the start.
Ill conceived how? Because you didn't like it? Or because it didn't have an apple on it?
Because this thread is not about Apple, so all the "pro-Apple" stuff is just off-topic and needless. This is about a Nokia phone.
And frankly the "iPod Nano" stuff needs to stop, the Lumia 800 is obviously a N9 which is an evolution of the N8 :
Stop cherry picking a single angle.
Thank You so much for this! I have a N8, Blue, and it's obvious to me, at least, that Nokia took their design queues from the N8 (sans the camera module).
I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the N8 similarities in the Lumia 800/N9
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Entering the game that late against the iPod, without re-inventing the segment or at least bringing substantially more to the table is most definitely ill-conceived.
Yes, an Apple logo would have really helped. Really. That would have had them fooled at least part of the time, LOL.
Yeah. I don't see where you're getting ill-conceived from. Everyone I know who owns a Zune HD swears by it, and considers it one of the most underrated things in the history of the world. Even the user ratings online for it a pretty high.
Like dudeguy said above, the biggest problem with the Zune was that MS threw it out into the wild, and didn't back it up with any marketing. It didn't sell because it was crap, rather because most people didn't even know about it. Kind of the same situation WP7 is finding itself in now.
GAWWW! I DID IT AGAIN! WHY AM I STILL TALKING TO YOU, WHEN I COULD BE DOING SOMETHING SO MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH MY TIME? LIKE PUNCHING MYSELF IN THE NUTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
Like dudeguy said above, the biggest problem with the Zune was that MS threw it out into the wild, and didn't back it up with any marketing. It didn't sell because it was crap, rather because most people didn't even know about it. Kind of the same situation WP7 is finding itself in now.
GAWWW! I DID IT AGAIN! WHY AM I STILL TALKING TO YOU, WHEN I COULD BE DOING SOMETHING SO MUCH MORE PRODUCTIVE WITH MY TIME? LIKE PUNCHING MYSELF IN THE NUTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN!
Only they did bring much more to the consumer than the iPod did. Zune had way more functionality. Again - you're blinded by your inability to see past Apple. Did you even use a Zune ever. Or are you spewing rhetoric from articles and other apple evangelists who make up crap?
Exactly. Most people I know don't know the Zune exists, and probably wouldn't know the difference if they used one for more than a few days. Apple has a great marketing team (actually part of the reason I want to get into advertising as a career) and they are a big reason as to why the iPod has done as well as it has.
EDIT: Anyway, we're now thoroughly off topic, thanks LTD.
Back on topic, I just watched a review for the N9 and a preview of the Lumina 800 and can't help but feel that MS is tying Nokia's hands. Hopefully when Chassis 3 comes around Nokia will bring in NFC, more storage, larger and higher PPI displays, and keep the same sexy N9 look (which I honestly think is the best looking phone to date).
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It sounds like you are really starting to worry about Microsoft since the Nokia deal took place, not to mention Windows 8 looming on the horizon. There is no doubt that this is going to take some kind of a bite out of Apple, the question is how big will it be? Why does Microsoft concern you so much? I thought all was well Apple regardless of market share, sales etc? If the iOS market share drops as Windows share increases surely you will be able to find a way to put a pro Apple spin on it.
You're afraid. Admit it.
I happen to be one of those who like Windows Phone 7. I don't feel I made a mistake at all in my choice of phone. Will the Microsoft/Nokia combo work? I don't know. Microsoft seems to have this aversion to advertising. A WP7 running mango is on equal footing with iOS and android but most people have never heard of it and carriers, especially verizon, are woefully uninformed about it. If microsoft can get xbox, windows 8 tablets, pc and phone integration working properly their ecosystem will rival apples. I'm hoping that will happen, but only time will tell.
I have noticed a very dramatic increase in the number of netbooks and lower end notebooks that have shown up around here from the public.
Someone brought in a tablet last week and it turned out to be a Galaxy Tab 10.1 They kept showing it off all that they could do with it. Others wanted to know the the product name and where they could buy one too. I was very surprised how many people became interested after just a little show and tell.
That makes 3 tablets that I have seen the public bring in.
The only slim, light notebook I would consider would be the Dell Vostro V131. Atom and Brazos are just too underpowered when ~$500 can get you into Sandy Bridge ULV.
Jump up to ultrabooks or the MacBook Air and spend twice as much or more for Intel HD. That is not happening to my money. I was very, very close to picking up a Vostro to replace my MacBook but my friends suggested to keep waiting for Ivy Bridge. I still have so much hope in AMD's Trinity. Give me a LV two module Piledriver CPU with Radeon graphics onboard!
Marketing reminds of the Treehouse of Horror short, "Attack of the 50-Foot Eyesores".
I have a coworker that swears by their Zune HD as well. That is even after I recommended an iPod!
I want a Windows 8 tablet on Tegra 3 just to run RDC. That is what I am using my MacBook for right now!It sounds like you are really starting to worry about Microsoft since the Nokia deal took place, not to mention Windows 8 looming on the horizon. There is no doubt that this is going to take some kind of a bite out of Apple, the question is how big will it be? Why does Microsoft concern you so much? I thought all was well Apple regardless of market share, sales etc? If the iOS market share drops as Windows share increases surely you will be able to find a way to put a pro Apple spin on it.
You're afraid. Admit it.
I have noticed a very dramatic increase in the number of netbooks and lower end notebooks that have shown up around here from the public.
Someone brought in a tablet last week and it turned out to be a Galaxy Tab 10.1 They kept showing it off all that they could do with it. Others wanted to know the the product name and where they could buy one too. I was very surprised how many people became interested after just a little show and tell.
That makes 3 tablets that I have seen the public bring in.
The only slim, light notebook I would consider would be the Dell Vostro V131. Atom and Brazos are just too underpowered when ~$500 can get you into Sandy Bridge ULV.
Jump up to ultrabooks or the MacBook Air and spend twice as much or more for Intel HD. That is not happening to my money. I was very, very close to picking up a Vostro to replace my MacBook but my friends suggested to keep waiting for Ivy Bridge. I still have so much hope in AMD's Trinity. Give me a LV two module Piledriver CPU with Radeon graphics onboard!
Marketing reminds of the Treehouse of Horror short, "Attack of the 50-Foot Eyesores".
I have a coworker that swears by their Zune HD as well. That is even after I recommended an iPod!
I want a Windows 8 tablet on Tegra 3 just to run RDC. That is what I am using my MacBook for right now!
Then check this out. HP may build another tablet using the Tegra 3 and Windows 8.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Windows-8-TouchPad-webOS-Tegra-3-Kal-El,13825.html
I have 14 tech related RSS feeds and most are on the bleeding edge. I also have a smartphone so I can read those feeds from anywhere. While I am still comfy in bed under the covers or in the bathroom. I saw that earlier today.
