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Nokia Unveils First 'Lumia' Phones Based on Windows Phone 7.5
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They are conveniently "re-entering" because a) Apple showed them it was now "safe" and b) Apple showed them how to do a tablet without it sucking a**. And suddenly all tablets mysteriously began to look different from what came before, almost overnight. Coincidence, I'm sure!Though some are even screwing up the obviously clear lessons. There's no accounting for skill or taste in this industry, that much is abundantly clear.
Well it's damned if they do and damned if they don't isn't it. If they "copy" Apple - then they either get sued or people like you just say they are (badly) copying Apple. If they go their own way its "They need to follow Apple's example" or "They have no idea what they are doing"
Further - the tablet that I used in the early 90s is not all that different than some of the tablets today. So you're wrong. They might be a bit slimmer - but that's more an indication of technology being better than it was in the early 90s. But quite a few I see on today's market are thinner versions of what I've used.
So that the point isn't lost on you - this isn't something I read. Something I'm pulling out of my hindquarters or something that I am regurgitating. This is my real world experience.
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Good post.
I notice the exact same thing: either people hate a phone because it "copies" the iPhone or they hate it because it's too different from what they are used to (ie: the iPhone). Pick one or the other, you can't have both.
I dunno why I ain't taking my own advice here. Guess I'm a sucker for punishment or something. But...
Sortakinda, but not really.
The iPad has eaten into Netbook sales considerably. That comes as no surprise. Netbooks kinda blew a bit. They're too underpowered to be used as proper getting-stuff-done laptops, and too unwieldy to use as portable media devices. Tablets are a much better fit for that particular hardware demographic.
But the traditional PC market (which I assume includes both desktops and regular fat laptops) is still going nice and strong. So no, we're not living in the Post-PC era yet, man. Those days are still a bit ahead of us.
This.
I had a iPhone 1 and iPhone 3G. I chose to go the Android route since I bought a 3G iPad 1 which I take everywhere thus made my iPhone redundant.
After six months I paid a penalty to reset my two years and get a Win 7 phone since I hated Android with the red hot intensity of a 1000 suns. I love it and was exited to see the Nokia offerings. I hope to get a great one once I am eligible for an upgrade.
The Lumia 710: available in black and white... how original
oh come on. you're acting like apple invented black and white phones.. my old brick nokia was also available in black and white.
It is actually amazing to the type of sales figures Nokia has. I've always been aware of their marketshare outside the U.S for awhile. I remember going to Europe multiple times and seeing Nokia billboards all the time. In the U.S., I can no longer recall the last Nokia ad I ever saw on TV.
Americans are only focused mostly domestically and on what happens around them. Like living in a secluded island. Many don't travel internationally or even leave their own state to see the global impact Nokia has. They see sales of iPhones and go crazy for it. But over 90M phones sold in ONE quarter? SMH. People are also forgetting that Symbian still outsells Android as of today although props to the latter for being only 3-years old. But the fact Nokia only has 1.4% in the U.S. makes us ignore them when they still try to cater to 95% of the world's population.
I guess Nokia's popularity is like football (aka soccer to Americans). Not big in the USA, but huge outside of it and the most popular overall.
Americans are only focused mostly domestically and on what happens around them. Like living in a secluded island. Many don't travel internationally or even leave their own state to see the global impact Nokia has. They see sales of iPhones and go crazy for it. But over 90M phones sold in ONE quarter? SMH. People are also forgetting that Symbian still outsells Android as of today although props to the latter for being only 3-years old. But the fact Nokia only has 1.4% in the U.S. makes us ignore them when they still try to cater to 95% of the world's population.
I guess Nokia's popularity is like football (aka soccer to Americans). Not big in the USA, but huge outside of it and the most popular overall.
According to this forum, everyone ripped Apple off in some way or another.
Talking about white and black phones, the Sony Ericsson K550 (which I used until 2010) had black and white options and that phone was from 2007.
The US is the land of Korean handsets (most feature phones are from LG, Samsung or Pentec(Sp)). In my country however, everyone that has a phone probably owned (or currently own) a Nokia at one point in their lives. Nokia fell in the US because since people there depend (which I still find odd) on carriers for phones and only a few US carriers offer Nokia handsets.
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This is somewhat myth and reality distortion. Netbooks can do plenty on terms of productivity that iPads and other tablets could never do. I can name about 20 or so people myself who use netbooks and even though they aren't as powerful or fast as a laptop - they definitely work and work well for their use cases.
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This is somewhat myth and reality distortion. Netbooks can do plenty on terms of productivity that iPads and other tablets could never do. I can name about 20 or so people myself who use netbooks and even though they aren't as powerful or fast as a laptop - they definitely work and work well for their use cases.
Nokia is so popular it has to partner with MS to survive. Astounding.
Nokia has been bleeding share for nearly two years. They've been in free-fall, their entire Symbian platform destroyed.
They still sell a lot of cheap dumbphones and basic smartphones to help stay afloat, but it's still not enough. If Nokia had their ish together they wouldn't be in a do-or-die situation, relying on an MS partnership (of all things!) to save themselves.
http://articles.economictimes.india...340_1_nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-dual-sim-devices
And from the "other other" Steve himself:
http://androsym.com/news/stephen-elops-burning-letter-do-or-die-for-nokia/
For once I agree with Vic Gundotra: Two turkeys . . .
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According to this forum, everyone ripped Apple off in some way or another.
Talking about white and black phones, the Sony Ericsson K550 (which I used until 2010) had black and white options and that phone was from 2007.
The US is the land of Korean handsets (most feature phones are from LG, Samsung or Pentec(Sp)). In my country however, everyone that has a phone probably owned (or currently own) a Nokia at one point in their lives. Nokia fell in the US because since people there depend (which I still find odd) on carriers for phones and only a few US carriers offer Nokia handsets.
I'm sure about 97% of the phone owning world has had a Nokia at some point.
Ok. But there's a problem in 20-people land:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/laptops/ipad-and-tablets-outsell-netbooks-by-two-to-one-50005787/
Even MS admits it:
http://www.networkworld.com/news/20...ays-tablets-cannibalized-netbooks-252244.html
Despite them "working well" you might very well be seeing what remains of a dying platform.
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Wow. I never said sales were declining or that sales were awesome. I said that netbooks work for plenty of people who need to be productive. What you're ignoring is that many people bought netbooks to consume media and had very little need to be productive and many tablets are better for that type of stuff.
Netbooks won't be as popular as tablets because the majority of consumers don't need that much. Plus there's a cool factor. That doesn't mean netbooks don't do anything or that people aren't using them.
Wow. I never said sales were declining or that sales were awesome. I said that netbooks work for plenty of people who need to be productive. What you're ignoring is that many people bought netbooks to consume media and had very little need to be productive and many tablets are better for that type of stuff.
Netbooks won't be as popular as tablets because the majority of consumers don't need that much. Plus there's a cool factor. That doesn't mean netbooks don't do anything or that people aren't using them.
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Yup, I mean god-forbid they don't use the exact same business model as Apple. They have dumbphone market cornered, and they are improving their smartphone offering as well. If they hadn't partnered with MS you'd be preaching about how they've whored-out their hardware or they failed to take a good opportunity. It was a smart business move for the two to join.
But then again, they aren't Apple so you won't hear any of it.
It would appear neither had any choice.
WP7 wasn't getting any traction. It was turning out to be a market failure (a situation which has yet to change.)
Nokia was dying.
I'm quite sure under different circumstances this partnership would have been the last thing either would had wanted, especially Nokia, for whom it's doubly embarrassing.
In all fairness, Apple's a very tough act to follow. I can understand why a lot of competitors aren't able to pull off something similar: there is as yet no magical cure for unimaginative strategy and outright stupidity.
Symbian is still king in my country.
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To be fair you don't know how to be fair. Nor do you know how to be unbiased. Good luck with that
To be fair you don't know how to be fair. Nor do you know how to be unbiased. Good luck with that
Nice to see that its quad band. Back in the day Nokia has sold some cool looking triband phones that were not practical in the USA because they omitted the very important 850mhz frequency - a must-have if you want decent service here. Quite a few phones I did not buy because of that. Hopefully they'll keep making phones that are not crippled by region because of a missing frequency.
Over 90M phones sold in ONE quarter by Nokia.
Now there is a billion and a half desktop computers out in the world. Apple has claimed to have 200M iTunes accounts with compatibility to Windows PC's. Yet, iTunes is FREE. Some Nokia phones were not given away for free and it sold 90M in one quarter while iTunes has been around for ten years. Many popular YouTube videos don't get that many views at 90M and certainly not in just a few months. I can imagine many companies can't even match that number trying to sell chocolate bars for 99 cents. Many songs at 99 cents or less will never be downloaded that much. Angry Birds hasn't even come close to selling 90M. Over 90M sold and it is a considered a down year for Nokia. Seems like over 90M people last quarter don't give a rat's ass about an ecosystem.
I am comparing phone sales from a particular manufacturer that aren't always given away for 99 cents or free to things that are either 99 cents or free. Sometimes we say it's a small world, but sometimes we realize there is a much bigger world out there. This is why Windows Phone will be the #2 most popular mobile OS globally by 2013 considering Symbian still outsells Android as of today. Most of the reason is because of Nokia's own brand power and not really because Microsoft created the best mobile OS in the world.
Now there is a billion and a half desktop computers out in the world. Apple has claimed to have 200M iTunes accounts with compatibility to Windows PC's. Yet, iTunes is FREE. Some Nokia phones were not given away for free and it sold 90M in one quarter while iTunes has been around for ten years. Many popular YouTube videos don't get that many views at 90M and certainly not in just a few months. I can imagine many companies can't even match that number trying to sell chocolate bars for 99 cents. Many songs at 99 cents or less will never be downloaded that much. Angry Birds hasn't even come close to selling 90M. Over 90M sold and it is a considered a down year for Nokia. Seems like over 90M people last quarter don't give a rat's ass about an ecosystem.
I am comparing phone sales from a particular manufacturer that aren't always given away for 99 cents or free to things that are either 99 cents or free. Sometimes we say it's a small world, but sometimes we realize there is a much bigger world out there. This is why Windows Phone will be the #2 most popular mobile OS globally by 2013 considering Symbian still outsells Android as of today. Most of the reason is because of Nokia's own brand power and not really because Microsoft created the best mobile OS in the world.
They don't pull off something similar because they're using their own business model. Every company makes it's mistakes, including Apple. Nokia rested on their victory a little too long and paid the price, but they are now working to fix that. No doubt you see that as stupidity, but who are you to make that judgement.
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When it becomes news that people care about.
Well, I'm taking the whole netbook situation more on personal conjecture than any cold hard facts. See, I think of them mostly as little internet machines first (hence the name), and proper computers as a secondary role. It is true that you can do far, far more on a netbook than you can an iPad. There's nothing's directly stopping you from drawing up a spreadsheet on one of them. But due to the size and cramped spaces, it's not best suited for either task.
Like if I want a machine primarily to read book, check emails, watch movies, and goof around on the internet, I'd choose a tablet. A netbook can do these quite well, but it's not as comfortable to hold as the iPad. With it, I can just lay back in bed, prop it up on my chest, and read away. Like a book you jab your finger at. But the netbook? I have to sit up a little more, draw up my legs, and sit sorta hunched over it.
As for more work related stuff, I'd find myself wanting to use a 15" laptop. I get more screen space, a better keyboard, and a bigger trackpad. It might not be quite as light or as portable as the netbook, but hell, for stuff like that, I'll probably have it sitting on a desk anyway. That kind of moots the advantage the itty bitty computer has over it's bigger cousins.
So, for me, netbooks inhabit an uncomfortable inbetween space. A jack of all trades, master of none type situation. I can use it for both work and fun, but it's not the best form factor for either.
The consumer. Everything hinges on our judgment.
Just ask Palm. Or MS' Zune division. Or whoever dreamed up the HP Windows Slate in a drunken stupor. Or RIM. Or PsyStar.
A lot of this stuff was obviously DOA from the start but some brilliant minds decided to stick with them. So noble. LOL
Which they didn't bother changing even when it became obvious to do so. Elop admitted this much in his little mea culpa note. Successful companies re-invent their business. Nokia did not (they can join RIM in that regard.)
Nokia's warped idea of re-inventing their business involves bleeding share until nearly dead and then joining ranks with Microsoft.
But again, at some point you have no choice. Probably serves them right. They had every chance in the world.
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