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Non-Retina MBP 2012, Not alot of talk about it.
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I still stand by my statement to. Laptop can get warm to hot like when running diablo 3. That wasn't unexpected tho. Anytime you kick in the GPU things are going to get hot. Right now I'm using my mac comfortably on my lap with no lap coolers or anything. I have parallels running with chrome open, imail, safari, and itunes running.
If you get parallels 7 make sure you change the performance to energy saver I think it's called.
If you get parallels 7 make sure you change the performance to energy saver I think it's called.
yes and no, when at 8x 100% load it will get very hot too!
the gpu runs suprisingly cool though compared to a 2011 amd solution.
i am thinking bout redoing the thermal paste, but i just don't have the guts to do that to a 1 week machine right now plus its not certain that it will help the load temps too much. (the idle temp is around 40° connected to an external screen and running a few things like skype, dropbox etc.)
nevertheless, when doing normal stuff its very hard to get the temps & fan up
when working in final cut pro x or playing any game the fans will round up and the enclosure will get hot. its alot better than the 15" 2,0 ghz early 2011!!!
I still cant decide which version of the 15 inch model to take. My only Problem is the VRAM (512MB vs 1 GB).
Right now I am still using my mid 2007 macbook white. WoW is working on that one but just on very low settings and not much fun. Diablo 3 is not working. The new book should be able to do both. In addition I would like to use the new book for at least 4-5 years and it should be able to run blizzard games which will be released till then on mid to low settings (not expecting to run any blizz games on high resolution in 4 years, but it should be able to run blizz games in 4-5 years without beeing pain. Not talking here about any shooters... just simple Blizzard games).
I have to mention, that I am not gaming a lot these days and its getting less with every year of my life. I never wanted to play on max. settings. Low to middle was always enough for me.
The base model would already be a large performance boost compared to my mid 2007 macbook white und would be more than enough for me right now, but I want to use the book for several years so it should be able to run everything I want in the next years. I am a little bit afraid that the 512MB VRAM can become a bottleneck compared to the 1GB VRAM version. I would have to add 350 to get the high end model. Thats lots of money, but if it will add 1 or 2 more years where I could use my book it might be worth the money. I dont wanna pay around 1800 and than notice after 3 years that the book is already outdated for my needs. But maybe the 512MB VRAM will be more than enough for my needs in the next 5 years. Mainly I am browsing, watching youtube videos and doing some molecular modeling calculations.
Do you think the 512MB will be enough for my needs on the base line version of the 15 inch MBP (highres)?
Right now I am still using my mid 2007 macbook white. WoW is working on that one but just on very low settings and not much fun. Diablo 3 is not working. The new book should be able to do both. In addition I would like to use the new book for at least 4-5 years and it should be able to run blizzard games which will be released till then on mid to low settings (not expecting to run any blizz games on high resolution in 4 years, but it should be able to run blizz games in 4-5 years without beeing pain. Not talking here about any shooters... just simple Blizzard games).
I have to mention, that I am not gaming a lot these days and its getting less with every year of my life. I never wanted to play on max. settings. Low to middle was always enough for me.
The base model would already be a large performance boost compared to my mid 2007 macbook white und would be more than enough for me right now, but I want to use the book for several years so it should be able to run everything I want in the next years. I am a little bit afraid that the 512MB VRAM can become a bottleneck compared to the 1GB VRAM version. I would have to add 350 to get the high end model. Thats lots of money, but if it will add 1 or 2 more years where I could use my book it might be worth the money. I dont wanna pay around 1800 and than notice after 3 years that the book is already outdated for my needs. But maybe the 512MB VRAM will be more than enough for my needs in the next 5 years. Mainly I am browsing, watching youtube videos and doing some molecular modeling calculations.
Do you think the 512MB will be enough for my needs on the base line version of the 15 inch MBP (highres)?
I was in the same boat! Once you get use to the touchpad it's a done deal. You will never buy a PC based laptop again heh. I'm getting my old HP laptop ready to sell and trying to use their touchpad was painful.
The mac apps are cool they have a lot of free stuff you can download. Like kindle, skitch (or stitch I forget), and evernote I think its called. I bought parallels and I use office 2010 pro from that with windows 7 Ultimate N.
For android development I use eclipse and it runs perfectly fine from eclipse. I have xcode downloaded too but I'm not ready for ios programming yet.
I rarely even turn off my mac. Once you close it it goes into sleep mode, open it up and it comes right up. I would recommend to turn it off if you take it out somewhere tho.
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No matter how you look at it you're spending 2+ grand anyway why limit yourself? If you plan on gaming get the 1GB vram model.
I highly recommend the hi-res anti-glare matte screen! It's such an amazing screen and the silver border looks so much sharper than the black glossy look in my opinion.
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To answer your optibay question - yes. To answer other questions both slots are sata 3-6g capable.
I got the 7200RPM 750GB drive. I sometimes wish I would have gotten the 5400 RPM drive but then i'd be complaining about how slow it is until I got an SSD.
5400RPM drives are really slow. In the end I'm glad I got it but that 100 bucks would have been a nice down payment for a SSD.
Oh well I pulled the trigger with out thinking.
The mac apps are cool they have a lot of free stuff you can download. Like kindle, skitch (or stitch I forget), and evernote I think its called. I bought parallels and I use office 2010 pro from that with windows 7 Ultimate N.
For android development I use eclipse and it runs perfectly fine from eclipse. I have xcode downloaded too but I'm not ready for ios programming yet.
I rarely even turn off my mac. Once you close it it goes into sleep mode, open it up and it comes right up. I would recommend to turn it off if you take it out somewhere tho.
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No matter how you look at it you're spending 2+ grand anyway why limit yourself? If you plan on gaming get the 1GB vram model.
I highly recommend the hi-res anti-glare matte screen! It's such an amazing screen and the silver border looks so much sharper than the black glossy look in my opinion.
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To answer your optibay question - yes. To answer other questions both slots are sata 3-6g capable.
I got the 7200RPM 750GB drive. I sometimes wish I would have gotten the 5400 RPM drive but then i'd be complaining about how slow it is until I got an SSD.
5400RPM drives are really slow. In the end I'm glad I got it but that 100 bucks would have been a nice down payment for a SSD.
Oh well I pulled the trigger with out thinking.
An Apple SSD in a 2012 cMBP will be a rare beast indeed. Most people who are unwilling to upgrade the drive themselves (to avoid the enormous Apple Tax on SSDs) will be better getting the rMBP. There are perfectly valid reasons for choosing an Apple-installed SSD over replacing it ones self, but the rMBP rendered most of them moot.
just to let you all know...
after a lot of thinking of which macbook to get i just ordered the classic macbook pro, and than the base model.
I started out with going for the retina version, than the high res classic version, but in the end i just went with the base model.
Why?
I looked at the retina screen, looks very cool, but i want to have a computer which i can add on as it gets older.
I am just an amateur, i am going to use the macbook for a little bit of photoshop, some imovie projects (home videos) and just some word processing and internet. For all these things i thought i wouldn't need the retina...
Also, about the high res.... I couldn't see anywhere the screen in real life. I had a look at the macbook air, (about the same fonts size) and found it too small.
I am not going to use two screens next to each other, i am not going to edit big movies, so just the basic screen will be good enough.
If i decide to go do some more hardcore screen stuff, i still can edit an external screen....
Than why the base model and not the top end macbook pro?
I don't play games with the macbook, so i don't need the 1gb graphic card. All the movie editing will be good with the 512. Even if i have to wait sometimes a bit longer, i don't mind. Because i wouldn't know how fast the top end would go..
Than about the base model....
4 Gb RAM is, at least for know, good enough for me. So, when prices drop even more, i will put in an 8 Gb, or maybe an 16Gb RAM.
500Gb SATA harddrive... It is plenty big for me, and, as with the RAM, wehn prices drop a bit more, i will put in an 256 SSD myself.
That will save a a lot of money, and after working a year or so on an 'basic' macbook pro, and than put in 16Gb of RAM and an SSD, than i will see the difference and make me happy again....
The 'problem' with a lot of replies on this forums is, is that there is a big mixture of computer owners. You've got high-end photo- video editors, profesionals, hardcore gamers, just the amateur who is just using the macbook to check its mail..
So, everybody has its own reason too buy an computer, and i think i found between all the forums on this macrumors the best buy for me....
Thanks all for you'r input.
after a lot of thinking of which macbook to get i just ordered the classic macbook pro, and than the base model.
I started out with going for the retina version, than the high res classic version, but in the end i just went with the base model.
Why?
I looked at the retina screen, looks very cool, but i want to have a computer which i can add on as it gets older.
I am just an amateur, i am going to use the macbook for a little bit of photoshop, some imovie projects (home videos) and just some word processing and internet. For all these things i thought i wouldn't need the retina...
Also, about the high res.... I couldn't see anywhere the screen in real life. I had a look at the macbook air, (about the same fonts size) and found it too small.
I am not going to use two screens next to each other, i am not going to edit big movies, so just the basic screen will be good enough.
If i decide to go do some more hardcore screen stuff, i still can edit an external screen....
Than why the base model and not the top end macbook pro?
I don't play games with the macbook, so i don't need the 1gb graphic card. All the movie editing will be good with the 512. Even if i have to wait sometimes a bit longer, i don't mind. Because i wouldn't know how fast the top end would go..
Than about the base model....
4 Gb RAM is, at least for know, good enough for me. So, when prices drop even more, i will put in an 8 Gb, or maybe an 16Gb RAM.
500Gb SATA harddrive... It is plenty big for me, and, as with the RAM, wehn prices drop a bit more, i will put in an 256 SSD myself.
That will save a a lot of money, and after working a year or so on an 'basic' macbook pro, and than put in 16Gb of RAM and an SSD, than i will see the difference and make me happy again....
The 'problem' with a lot of replies on this forums is, is that there is a big mixture of computer owners. You've got high-end photo- video editors, profesionals, hardcore gamers, just the amateur who is just using the macbook to check its mail..
So, everybody has its own reason too buy an computer, and i think i found between all the forums on this macrumors the best buy for me....
Thanks all for you'r input.
looking to purchase another macbook for the sake of it and would probably be going the non-retina route like most of you have. just for the sake of my own peace of mind, for the photographers and graphic designers with retina screens, how do you feel about the retinas? how are the colors of your final products on print and on the internet when you view it on other computers? is it fairly the same as you see on screen? or are the retina's colors over-exaggerated?
My 13" 2011 MBP was stolen so i purchased a mid 2012 13" MBP 2 days after they were released.
No real difference between the two except for slightly better processor and a better graphics card. Other than that it's the same thing
Yes, and it flies. It's the same SSD they use in the retina machines, SM512E. It's a Samsung 830 based disk.
I also have another Samsung 830 (OEM, non-apple) in the other bay and it works at the same speeds.
It's been a good machine so far other than getting bootcamp setup on the second drive, that was a bit of a pain.
I'm planning to upgrade to a 512GB/768GB SSD in about a year or two when the prices become more reasonable. In the meantime, I opted in for the 750GB 7200 RMP HDD. I love it.
As for moving the stock drive to the optibay, you shouldn't have any problems as long as you have the adapter.
Good choice not getting the Rev A macbook Retina. For you will be one of the "Beta" tester of the new product. The reason you don't hear much about cMBP because it is a matured product and everything is perfect... Compare to the previous model. Apple adding USB 3 on these machine besides the screen against rMBP, you are not missing anything.Nice thread
As a newbie to this site and about to buy my first MacBook Pro, I did wonder if this site should be renamed MacRetinaRumors!!
Im trying not to get too caught up in the Retina fuss, the standard 15" MacBooks will be more than good enough for me.
By the way, do the 2.3 4GB & 2.6 8GB Quad Core MacBook Pro's that appear on the apple store all have the latest Ivy Bridge chips? Or are we waiting for those to appear?
Future proofing? And you are thinking that 3 to 4 years from now everything gonna be in High resolution Making cMBP obsolete. Remind you that a computer only became obsolete, is how far your processor can take you. display is just a display. Right now I can still use my VGA monitor from 10 years ago...and still go to site like these and read your non-sense assumption. Your rMBP and my cMBP got the same IVY bridge. But your CPU and GPU is working harder than my computer. Trying to drive all those High Res apps you are talking about.
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I'm debating whether to buy a high base RMP with Anti Glare and upgrade it myself, buy the base Retina with 16GB RA, or wait and see what the next gen macbooks are like. I don't NEED a laptop till next year which is my main reason for putting off buying one, but I'm dying for a new toy to play with... as bad as that sounds haha
I got the base 15" cMBP with the standard resolution (more of an aesthetics thing as I hate the silver border and prefer the black). I don't think the upgrade to 1GB of VRAM is worth it if you don't go for the high-res screen. All os x games will be able to run well with 512MB on the standard res.
I also installed 8GB of RAM and went with an SSD as well.
The machine is beautiful and does everything perfect. About 10 seconds to boot up on SSD.
I also installed 8GB of RAM and went with an SSD as well.
The machine is beautiful and does everything perfect. About 10 seconds to boot up on SSD.
Considering how absolutely screaming fast my rMBP is I'm sure the low res counterpart is even faster! Should be a fun ride!
I am saving... I hope to get my cMBP Hires Antiglare before September
Good luck and enjoy
This laptop is beautiful with the anti-glare screen