Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The same way my apple watch can tell the difference between a force touch and a regular touch. If the very first press on my apple watch was a force touch... it would just be a force touch. Nothing apple talked about mentioned setting a baseline for pressure sensitivity. If you had spent much time with an apple watch you would have a better sense of it.
I know it doesn't need a baseline, thats why the tap needs to be a few milliseconds to register as a 3D touch. (I was simply stating it needs one or the other to avoid unintended operation).

the tech for 3D touch exists in the screen. that is why it is incompatible with older phones. It's not the time of the press, it's the force.

please watch the keynote like everyone else, you'll actually find out things that you didn't make up.
Nope. If you are willing to bet money on this, I will:
When the iPhone 6S is out, you will not be able to quickly but firmly tap the home screen and see a menu pop up.
 
I know it doesn't need a baseline, thats why the tap needs to be a few milliseconds to register as a 3D touch. (I was simply stating it needs one or the other to avoid unintended operation).


Nope. If you are willing to bet money on this, I will:

so, you're saying this is wrong?

"The new iPhones sport bendable glass developed through a partnership with Corning, and 96 sensors embedded in the LCD's backlight that register each flex as a function of distance. Small vibrations from Apple's Taptic Engine are used to confirm when a press is successful.

At the moment, the 6s and 6s Plus are the only devices with 3D Touch, an evolution of the Force Touch technology used in the Apple Watch and recent MacBooks. The phones are due to ship on Sept. 25, following a preorder campaign starting Sept. 12."
 
I know it doesn't need a baseline, thats why the tap needs to be a few milliseconds to register as a 3D touch. (I was simply stating it needs one or the other to avoid unintended operation).


Nope. If you are willing to bet money on this, I will:


It has become painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about so i'm done.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Bacong
so, you're saying this is wrong?

"The new iPhones sport bendable glass developed through a partnership with Corning, and 96 sensors embedded in the LCD's backlight that register each flex as a function of distance. Small vibrations from Apple's Taptic Engine are used to confirm when a press is successful.

At the moment, the 6s and 6s Plus are the only devices with 3D Touch, an evolution of the Force Touch technology used in the Apple Watch and recent MacBooks. The phones are due to ship on Sept. 25, following a preorder campaign starting Sept. 12."
Nope that sounds right. It also sounds like those 96 sensors will take a few milliseconds to register, which sounds like a time element to me.
It has become painfully obvious that you have no idea what you are talking about so i'm done.
Show me one example of a quick tap that brings up force touch on the Apple Watch.

A quick tap is how quickly you normally tap icons and buttons on your phone in everyday use. Not a slow press for dramatic or presentation reasons.
 
you keep moving the goal posts. your original post in this topic said "how hard you press my butt" which means you do not think 3D touch works the way it does. You implied that the force does not matter, only the time in which you hold down the button. That is provably false.
 
Nope that sounds right. It also sounds like those 96 sensors will take a few milliseconds to register, which sounds like a time element to me.

Show me one example of a quick tap that brings up force touch on the Apple Watch.

A quick tap is how quickly you normally tap icons and buttons on your phone in everyday use. Not a slow press for dramatic or presentation reasons.


Here is one I just took.
 
  • Like
Reactions: unobtainium
Yes and no...normally there's always something that is really tempting with a new device whether on the S cycle or not. This is one of the most exciting times of the year for a techie. I just don't feel that way with this years model. YMMV.

What was super exciting about the 5S? Or the 4S? Or the 3GS?
 
Apple are really behind when it comes to yearly updates, Most other phone makers are able to completely update the hardware in almost every sense including looks, each year. Apple does it every two years. Not sure why though? Money I'm guessing.

The other companies are competing against each other on the same platform, and it has resulted in a very fragmented experience. Apple doesn't have to keep up with the "fad" to make money, they refine processes until it makes sense, then release it. There's really no need to do a major hardware visual refresh every year... if you think about it, all iPhones - at least the part you interact with, have looked pretty much the same from the first generation model.

Also, people get so jaded here with the announcements... the phone already does SO much. Yes, improvements are incremental, but it's honestly been a few years where I have wished the phone would do something that it doesn't already do. I'm actually surprised companies are still find room for improvement when these pocket computers pretty much do everything we want them to do already. (Sadly, most of what we want them to do is to just take selfies.)
 
  • Like
Reactions: StuddedLeather
I'm never impressed with the iPhones.they are to thin and never have enough battery life to make it thru the day.i like a phone that as a bigger battery and that that is thicker and has a bigger screen.
 
I'm never impressed with the iPhones.they are to thin and never have enough battery life to make it thru the day.i like a phone that as a bigger battery and that that is thicker and has a bigger screen.
It's funny you say that, I was just thinking the same thing, my iPhone 6 is looking for juice around 5. Interesting though because a friend of mine has the same phone, talks on it all day for work and still has miles of battery life left at 11pm. His signal strength in his home is way stronger than my signal strength, so my battery dies fast just trying to hold signal.

I'd personally sacrifice a bit of weight and thickness for longer battery life. To be fair though, iPhones are in the middle of the pack, only phones like the Droid Turbo easily outpace it.
 
I have been slightly tempted by the S6 Edge+ but too heavily involved in Apple ecosystem to leave my iPhone.

Yeah and those Android phones slow down very quickly, you often have to clear the app cache and partition cache to keep them running well. The lagging and lack of response sometimes is so annoying. Not to mention that Google has yet to make an OS that can't actually stream music without stuttering and skipping when connected to a car head-unit. After 3 years of Android, I am picking up an iPhone 6S. The new Samsung phones though in my opinion do look better than this current generation of iPhones. However, it's function over design for me this time around. Never thought I'd say that were Apple is concerned, but it's true. I am totally done with Samsung and Android.
 
Dude, it's literally long-press with vibrate. :rolleyes:

In fact, if it's so deeply integrated into iOS 9, there's no reason every iPhone can't use it. How hard you press my butt...it's just a long tap, and by the looks of it, too long for that second action.
But it's not a part of the ios9 update. The 3d touch is part of the phone's hardware, so no, not every phone will have it. All I'm saying is once a feature becomes a muscle memory, second nature action that I use constantly as if it has always been a part of the the ecosystem of iPhones, it will be really tough not to mimic those actions on other phones, iPhone or no.
 
Yeah and those Android phones slow down very quickly, you often have to clear the app cache and partition cache to keep them running well. The lagging and lack of response sometimes is so annoying. Not to mention that Google has yet to make an OS that can't actually stream music without stuttering and skipping when connected to a car head-unit. After 3 years of Android, I am picking up an iPhone 6S. The new Samsung phones though in my opinion do look better than this current generation of iPhones. However, if function before design for me this time around. Never thought I'd say that were Apple is concerned, but it's true.
I signed up for the 'Samsung Ultimate Test Drive' so I have a Note 5 to play with. I had a lot of Android phones until 2013 and I was really frustrated at the lag and stutters. The Note 5 is really quick. I haven't notice any stutters at all. Funny thing though, I did a side by side test on Wifi clicking links on the web and the iPhone 6 was always a split second faster. Pretty amazing considering the Note is a 2.1GHz QUAD Core with 4GB of RAM vs the iPhone 6 1.4GHz DUAL core and 1 GB of memory. Even though Samsung has given the phone enough horsepower to plow through Android sludge, it still only just keeps up.
 
But it's not a part of the ios9 update. The 3d touch is part of the phone's hardware, so no, not every phone will have it. All I'm saying is once a feature becomes a muscle memory, second nature action that I use constantly as if it has always been a part of the the ecosystem of iPhones, it will be really tough not to mimic those actions on other phones, iPhone or no.
Long press. Every other manufacturer will simply do a long press. Something longer than a normal tap, but way shorter than the almost 2 seconds it takes to move icons around on the homescreen. I almost guarantee it will be a jailbreak feature, just like how the 6+ functions (landscape mode for emails and such) were ported to the 6 or how even my 6 can do split screen apps.
 
I 1000% guarantee you there is a time element involved. If the very first press on the iPhone screen (after it is on) is the exact required pressure to 'activate' the 3D press, it won't come up immediately (perhaps not at all). It will either need to understand a baseline of a regular touch or need a timeout to make sure your not intending a normal press.
, it's
I 1000% guarantee you there is a time element involved. If the very first press on the iPhone screen (after it is on) is the exact required pressure to 'activate' the 3D press, it won't come up immediately (perhaps not at all). It will either need to understand a baseline of a regular touch or need a timeout to make sure your not intending a normal press.
no, it doesn't have anything to do with time, and the proof of that is that the 3d touch is basically the same tech of the force touch is the MacBook track pads, as well as the Appe Watch. It has nothing to do with how long the tap is in those products. It's how about much force is applied to the press, and that functionality is in the hardware.
 
, it's

no, it doesn't have anything to do with time, and the proof of that is that the 3d touch is basically the same tech of the force touch is the MacBook track pads, as well as the Appe Watch. It has nothing to do with how long the tap is in those products. It's how about much force is applied to the press, and that functionality is in the hardware.
You're a bit late on that, Knowimagination posted a video. I still think something like a 1/4 second long-press will be just fine when the JB port to my 6 comes out. ;)
 
What did you expect from the S version? 2GB RAM and 3D touch is a decent upgrade, but not really meant for 6/6+ owners.
Only Speculation on the 2GB ram at the moment.....You should wait before using that as an update reason.
 
I signed up for the 'Samsung Ultimate Test Drive' so I have a Note 5 to play with. I had a lot of Android phones until 2013 and I was really frustrated at the lag and stutters. The Note 5 is really quick. I haven't notice any stutters at all. Funny thing though, I did a side by side test on Wifi clicking links on the web and the iPhone 6 was always a split second faster. Pretty amazing considering the Note is a 2.1GHz QUAD Core with 4GB of RAM vs the iPhone 6 1.4GHz DUAL core and 1 GB of memory. Even though Samsung has given the phone enough horsepower to plow through Android sludge, it still only just keeps up.

I strongly considered the Note 5. I have a co-workers that purchased one and I've messed with it awhile. He let me test the bluetooth out in both my cars and sure enough it too stutters/skips during streaming music playback. Yet my iPod Touch never stutters or skips a beat. The thing with most Androids is when you initially get them they are pretty fast, but over time they get slower and slower, then the lag starts. Right now with my Note 4 opening the camera app is so slow and God forbid you want to immediately look at a picture you just took. It will take 30 seconds or so before it will actually pop up the last picture taken in the camera app. I am just no longer willing to deal with this. I don't know it just seems to me that Android owners accept this as okay because of other nice abilities of Android. You are correct thought... Quad-core processors and 4GB of RAM and yet that is what it takes to even put it remotely on par with an iPhone.
 
You're a bit late on that, Knowimagination posted a video. I still think something like a 1/4 second long-press will be just fine when the JB port to my 6 comes out. ;)
But the only flaw in the function being time based is that the "peak" function will become the "pop" function after a finite amount of time, meaning you won't be able to hold that "peak" for as long or as short as you wanted. That's why the applied pressure is important, so the phone will understand when to do exactly what you wanted to do.
 
I strongly considered the Note 5. I have a co-workers that purchased one and I've messed with it awhile. He let me test the bluetooth out in both my cars and sure enough it too stutters/skips during streaming music playback. Yet my iPod Touch never stutters or skips a beat. The thing with most Androids is when you initially get them they are pretty fast, but over time they get slower and slower, then the lag starts. Right now with my Note 4 opening the camera app is so slow and God forbid you want to immediately look at a picture you just took. It will take 30 seconds or so before it will actually pop up the last picture taken in the camera app. I am just no longer willing to deal with this. I don't know it just seems to me that Android owners accept this as okay because of other nice abilities of Android. You are correct thought... Quad-core processors and 4GB of RAM and yet that is what it takes to even put it remotely on par with an iPhone.
Right. Precisely why I switched to iPhone myself. Apple seems to get the little things right. Except quick-add to playlist. Ever since touch, I have to dig through my entire library to add the song I'm currently listening to to an 'on-the-go' playlist. I should be able to simply long-press or something. Get on it Apple! Grr.

I went from a Blackberry to the HTC Hero > HTC Evo 4G > Motorola Photon > Nexus S > Galaxy S2 >EVO LTE > RAZR MAXX > Galaxy Nexus > Galaxy S3 > RAZR HD MAXX > Droid DNA > Note 2 > iPhone 4 > iPhone 5.

At the time, a 3 year old iPhone 4 (coming off the enormous Note 2, no less) was able to prove to me that I could be satisfied with iOS. My only regret is updating past iOS 6.1.2 on the iPhone 5. That was the pinnacle of software maturity and smoothness. My 6 on 8.3 is not as smooth as my 5 on 6.1.2.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.