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9. Tablet is ecology-friendly, saving millions of tons of paper for newspapers and magazines.
I agree with your list but this point needs some correction. Speaking of tons of paper it is actually more ecoNOmy-friendly than ecology. Paper is a renewable source and needs some additional sources in the recycling process, but power is pure ecologic waste to let's say 95% worldwide. I am not an everything-must-be-ecological- and see-how-much-hidden-waste-this-has-guy but I think nontheless it is realistic to say that paper is actually much more ecological than power. But power is muuuuuch cheaper than millions of tons of paper. Just wanted to correct that.

This is another thing which comes in my mind: Who has ever thought of all those thousands/milions of employees worldwide which used to control the printing machines? No need for them anymore... When you enter a market, beware of the people making their life with it already. When they are threatened by your innovation, they will kick you out.
 
Fixed that for you.

You actually ruined that.

It is well known, not rumored, that they had a tablet years ago. Jobs commented on it, but the rumor is that it was still being worked on after that initial project.
When Apple jumps in, they jump in big and leapfrog the competition. They didn't have the first MP3 player or smartphone, either, but they sure managed to make a splash, didn't they?

No, but the innovations they brought to those devices were unexpected to most all the public.

The rumor, and probably reality, is that this tablet is a large iPod/iPhone. The functionality is already fairly well defined and being copied by others, so instead of a splash with a unique product, Apple might enter a market being one-in-three or very soon one-in-10 or more. It'll become a device for Apple people, instead of a unique device to lure people to Apple. We'll see.

Assuming this product is being made, Jobs has waited far too long. Such a product should have been released earlier this year. They have the tech., but they are probably trying to meet a futuristic vision for first release instead of working up the product over time. I think Jobs has mental trouble with the idea of a consumer base for such a product, and he might have a point at Apple prices for such devices. However, the netbook market has proven the utility of such a device, the simplicity of such a device, is absolutely sought by a lot of the market... at the right price, of course.
 
the while idea begins to appeal less and less to me. I'd rather have a cheaper Air instead
 
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Doesn't look too shabby imo. I doubt that this would have much of an effect on. An Apple tablet if one is released.
 
You actually ruined that.

It is well known, not rumored, that they had a tablet years ago. Jobs commented on it, but the rumor is that it was still being worked on after that initial project.


No, but the innovations they brought to those devices were unexpected to most all the public.

The rumor, and probably reality, is that this tablet is a large iPod/iPhone. The functionality is already fairly well defined and being copied by others, so instead of a splash with a unique product, Apple might enter a market being one-in-three or very soon one-in-10 or more. It'll become a device for Apple people, instead of a unique device to lure people to Apple. We'll see.

Assuming this product is being made, Jobs has waited far too long. Such a product should have been released earlier this year. They have the tech., but they are probably trying to meet a futuristic vision for first release instead of working up the product over time. I think Jobs has mental trouble with the idea of a consumer base for such a product, and he might have a point at Apple prices for such devices. However, the netbook market has proven the utility of such a device, the simplicity of such a device, is absolutely sought by a lot of the market... at the right price, of course.

When Apple makes something, no matter how much of it there already is, by default it's viewed as new and fresh, and it's more than likely that its form/functionality will fit with that view. This is Apple. No matter what anyone else releases, bet on Apple's product stealing the show. Things are just that much different in Cupertino.
 
Apple DID wait too long. They KNEW the tablet market was forming years ahead. They KNEW Jeff Han (inventor of the touch surface tech) was onto something huge. Was that a sign of intelligence to see what happens or was that a sign of fear? They're waiting for the competition to fail and then take those ideas and turn them around.

The problem is that once Apple comes out with the tablet and proclaims that invented a tablet computer, expect a flurry of lawsuits or major corporate political attacks on Steve Jobs for making such ludicrous claims.

Secondly, the touch screen tech that Apple has is NOT invented by them but rather bought and designed by FingerWorks originally. This is where all the multi-touch from the Apple products are coming from.

Apple buy ideas with their money, they don't invent them. Who invented the mouse? Certainly not Apple back in the early 80s when the Mac first came out. Jobs bought the patents for it and the Mac OS was based on Xerox's concept, if I'm not mistaken. EDIT: By the way, for Steve's vision on a product to work, they have to buy components from other manufacturers and other OSes, and 3rd party technology to fit in their plans. Apple does'nt make anything out of thin air like magic. It starts with a vision and money to acquire other technology to make it exist and function for such a market they dive into.

And lastly, form factor does not mean crap to me. It's all 'eye candy' relating to Industrial Design for which they do a great job of. Eye candy can disguise the crappy engine underneath. It's like buying a beautiful car with a poorly assembled engine.

It's the interior and actual function that matters most. Now Apple may have intelligent people working on the tablet, but does waiting so long prove their bold courage? No. What they did with their products in the early years was pretty ballsy ahead of the curve.

Apple needs to 'move it or lose it'. Jobs is feeling the pressure but he's not showing it. I love their iMac designs, but there is a fatal flaw to that after-thought. As an artist/graphic designer myself, who in the hell wants to keep reaching to the CD slot on the side of the monitor to load apps or other movies? And secondly, what happens if the machine malfunctions? You have to take the whole thing to a tech repair service and be without a Mac for a while, without a backup component such as the Mac Mini/Mac Pro which makes a lot of sense than an 'all in one". That's one problem I have with Apple is that they don't always think things through and try to 'beautify' their products.

"Ohhh, those tablets? Those netbooks? Nahh. Not our market. Not our competition", he says.

I call BS. That's corporate double-speak for "Oh crap. We got beat in the race. We're sweating like pigs and gotta get 'em out of here to CAPITALIZE or we'll look like fools".

All the new tablets coming out in the market work pretty well for their own niche industry and doing almost the same thing. The other thing is that Apple should have brought out a virtual keyboard/touch screen ahead of the curve to 'disrupt' the market, just like what Nintendo did. A virtual keyboard that is like a slab but can be customized with tactile feedback.

And as for your comment on Apple or other companies not having the battery, cpu, power management tech, etc. They had them in their hands all those years. In the R&D departments, the tech was probably already mature but to sell them as they are would have been expensive.

One reason Apple is waiting like a tortoise is the market price, but unfortunately Steve Jobs falls under the "Starbucks Coffee" attitude of premium prices. Starbucks thinks their coffee is made better, so they jack up the prices because it is premium gourmet coffee, while anyone can get a good deal at an independent coffeeshop for the same thing.

they have waited just long enough. The battery tec just wasn't there up until now (latest macbooks and pros), the screen tec wasn't there either, the cpu wasn't there (pa semi) to allow for effective power management above all, and of course the ssd/flash storage had neither the speed nor the capacity for a tablet to be used, it's all coming together now, and by that I mean just right now - and the iphone platform had not matured enough.

And even this tablet (which leaves a lot to be desired in terms of design, something like an oversized magic mouse) won't be powerful enough to match apple's custom cpu and their superior (because of their market leadership position in buying these things) ssd or flash storage. And of course there's the interface too, where no one arguably has put more thought to that than apple.



You obviously don't get tablets at all. And that's ok, not everyone gets a new tec revolution, that's why apple is single (almost) in consumer innovation, that's why 99.999% don't get it, and 0.001% have the vision.

It's their form factor, the book form that introduces the real revolution (let alone that a "netbook" with an atom is joke of a machine) here, no way to hold a netbook like a newspaper or magazine or book and read it.
 
Water sensors? Digital divining rod anyone? :D

I am surprised that no one else has brought up these "water sensors"? I mean are they there only so that the manufacturer can tell that there is water damage? Will these water sensors be able to tell that it is raining or my hands are wet? telling the machine that it would be prudent to automatically shut down to prevent damage? Do these water sensors make this device safe to use at the beach or pool. Could I use this device underwater? or will it truly act a divining rod?
 
exactly what i was thinking as well.

if apple is really planning on competing with e-readers like the Kindle with their tablet they should have announced their product before Christmas - the Amazon Kindle has posted the highest monthly sales yet and we are only 3 weeks into this month.

many would have held out for the apple tablet but now will be owning a Kindle, or Nook, or Sony e-reader...

"One swallow does not make a summer, neither does one fine day; similarly one day or brief time of happiness does not make a person entirely happy."
--Aristotle

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MP3 players eco system was fractured to non-existent. You could buy an mp3 player, rip songs from your cd or bit torrent and hope the RIAA didn't sue you. But with regards to an mp3 eco system like the mp3 player (iPod) - iTunes software - Music Store, was there something similar before Apple came along? Or am I mistaken? And if mistaken, why are we not talking about them and their success and that Apple needs to create a "Competition" Killer device? And apparently the smart phone world just saw that it had more rings of the ladder to climb. New type of phone navigation (finger - touch screen), new user interface, web browser, app store and more.

Ok, now you're really rewriting history. When the iPod launched, there was no iTunes Music Store. And you're trying to say that mp3 players were not a big success because there wasn't an iTunes Music store ? So the iPod wasn't a big success on launch I guess (it wasn't because it was Mac only and the Mac market share was twice as low as it is today).

MP3 players were a hit, no matter what revisionnist history tries to say. Everyone around me had one and many non-geeks around colleges and universities had one. When the 64 MB and 128 MB launched, there was this thing called Napster, which was used by normal folks.

That's before the RIAA sued them out of existance, so in essence, before any of the user lawsuits the RIAA did. There was no fear of getting sued back then because all of that came much later (after they shut down napster, which took them a 1-2 years).

Stop trying to downplay the MP3 player market in order to boost Apple to some god level. The iPod was eventually a big hit not because it had the iTMS, not because it was somehow the best thing since sliced bread. No, it was a hit because it was not a huge dinosaur (the Creative Nomad) with a IBM micro-drive. Nice, portable, with much more capacity than 128 MB. It was a good product in and of itself in an already popular market with much demand for such a thing.

Oh I'm sorry I forgot to mention Palm. I guess I should have said:

there weren't any hugely popular smart phones, besides blackberry and Palm phones, and blackberries and palm phones were only popular amongst businessmen/women.
:rolleyes:

Again, Smartphone is a term that was invented in marketing department in the last 2 years. My old Sony Ericsson could do Web, e-mail, calendering, SMS, games, Apps. It had an SDK (back in 2004) with a phone emulator so you could write apps on it. It used GPRS for data (back before EDGE). It had a camera, my 2nd one had a flash on that camera (which meant I could take much better pictures than a iPhone can in darker places like bars or outside during the evening). I had upgradable storage...

Yet Sony Ericsson's first "smartphone" was the Xperia X1, with Windows Mobile... what ? This smartphone thing is getting ridiculous. It doesn't mean anything. Apple didn't reinvent the "smartphone", somehow, I think they invented the term to make the iPhone sound special.

You actually ruined that.

It is well known, not rumored, that they had a tablet years ago. Jobs commented on it, but the rumor is that it was still being worked on after that initial project.

I think Jobs comment about the tablet a few years ago (well after the rumors popped up) was that he saw them as completely useless, except for when you're sitting on the toilet.

I doubt very much if he was thinking that way that he would let a department work on such a product, but if you like thinking that Apple has been wasting efforts for 7 years, be my guess. The only well known thing about the Apple tablet is that it's a good traffic generator for rumor sites.
 
Sounds a bit heavy (for what it is) at almost 2 pounds

I'd like an Apple device of this kind to allow widely varying degrees of touch-sensitivity, allowing it to behave like a Wacom tablet. Voila, an electronic artpad. (Along with everything else it will no doubt do.)
 
Apple's too late?

How? No one's released anything yet. And if they have, it hasn't caught on. Dollar-to-donuts Apple knows exactly what it takes for a tablet to become as popular as Macs, iPods, iPhones, etc. The industry is waiting for Apple's tablet, not a nook, or Notion, or whatever else. These things dont have the things Apple brings to its products.

Everyone's worried over absolutely nothing. Apple sidestepped the whole ntebook (read: recession-bait) craze and didn't even flinch. They ended up selling MORE Macs. In fact, they ended up selling more of everything. Quarter after quarter. And now Apple's focusing on a device that could potentially redefine the way we use computers. No matter how late Apple enters into a game, they will be a prime contender. Macs, OS X, iPods, iPhones, the best UIs in the business, great software. You don't need to rub a lot of brain cells together to get the idea that whatever Apple releases will likely be far more desirable than anything else out there. Apple's secret is gestalt, if nothing else. That magical combination between hardware + OS + ecosystem. Apple finds the sweet-spot every time. If you're going to make bets, the smart move is to bet on Apple first.
 
Apple's too late?

How? No one's released anything yet. And if they have, it hasn't caught on. Dollar-to-donuts Apple knows exactly what it takes for a tablet to become as popular as Macs, iPods, iPhones, etc.

Or Apple knows a tablet will never be as popular as a iPod or Mac or iPhone because tablets in and of themselves aren't popular items like the aformentionned ones were before Apple took a shot at them.

Steve isn't crazy either. He's not about the jump into a market that is a niche within a niche, especially if it doesn't look like it will be profitable.

And people have released tablets :

Nokia N810 :

nokia-n810.jpg


Archos Android tablet :

archos-android.jpg


Samsung has a full line up including the Q1U :

samsung_Q1U-large.jpg


HP tried to do a notebook/tablet hybrid :

Tablet_PC-HP-TC1100.jpg


And none of these have really caught on (except maybe the Nokia N810, in certain Europeen countries, but it's not what you qualify a big hit).
 
I call BS. That's corporate double-speak for "Oh crap. We got beat in the race. We're sweating like pigs and gotta get 'em out of here to CAPITALIZE or we'll look like fools".

Pigs don't sweat. That's why they roll around in the mud.
 
I agree with your list but this point needs some correction. Speaking of tons of paper it is actually more ecoNOmy-friendly than ecology. Paper is a renewable source and needs some additional sources in the recycling process, but power is pure ecologic waste to let's say 95% worldwide. I am not an everything-must-be-ecological- and see-how-much-hidden-waste-this-has-guy but I think nontheless it is realistic to say that paper is actually much more ecological than power. But power is muuuuuch cheaper than millions of tons of paper. Just wanted to correct that.

This is another thing which comes in my mind: Who has ever thought of all those thousands/milions of employees worldwide which used to control the printing machines? No need for them anymore... When you enter a market, beware of the people making their life with it already. When they are threatened by your innovation, they will kick you out.

Well, designers and especially web publishers will get more market and the whole newspaper/journalism will get a second life so to speak. Content will rule the market, I guess, and they can get more for that now.

The printing machines guys will gradually lose their jobs, of course, but as far as physical things to prints exist, they will never cease, just it means an end to newspapers and magazines in paper (what we already seen).

Its an interesting question about what is more ecologically friendly non-paper or electronic display on power (u have to produce energy for that thing, of course). The accepted truth is that saving paper reduces biomass waste and saves forests; its however might be compensated negatively by increasing power consumption of electronic devices which burn coal and whatever else.

Probably on watt-to-watt comparison, electronic displays are saving energy simply because in a physical book, you need paper for all 400 pages, while electronic display uses energy only to show a current page. As natural resources dry up, probably paper will cost more and as more solar and wind energy is used, watt of energy will cost less in ecological terms (but not necessarily in money terms).

The books of future will probably look lot less than ebooks of current time; it will be an animated, video and sound production which opens new horizons for design. A book about history may have CG drawings of soldiers fighting, and dynamic links to weapons could link you to wikipedia, choose you to learn more about a sword used by an ancient warrior and u could listen to actual battle sounds if you turn on sound. It still will be reading, of course, just much more enhanced and dynamically linked.

Will it be useful or hit? I guess, yes. Apple's power is that it can create a seamless links/OS which just works. Any MS product will be again subject to viruses and will show BSOD :) Android will be probably esthetically not too pleasing, though dirt cheap.

Interestingly, Apple could repeat Google's trick and deliver the tablets subsidized - but not by telecoms - but by dynamic ads on desktop. Sony tried that long ago with its first VAIOs, but time for ripe for it then, in 1997. The ads will be just like ads you in magazines - you may choose to ignore the banners on desktop, but they are there if you'd like to read them. And it will subsidize the tablet just like it now subsidizes a magazine.

Apple could win from that model without supporting publishers but supporting cost of own hardware. The revenue could be split with telecoms who deliver the ads. Apple will choose ads, of course, not Google.

So in ultimately mobile world, the tablet should never be connected physically, because the cords break the concept of mobility.

Thats why Apple's tablet will have wireless power supply.

The strength of Apple is that it the table will use iPhone/touch apps and therefore, scale the existing base of its applications. In a moment, number of readers of digital media will be millions. Because the mobile magazine can be delivered on iPhone of course or Touch. And there you have your ad revenue ready :)
 
Archos and Noki are not apple. With a 15 year lead on mobile platforms, apple blew nokia away in the smart phone business. But why don't you mention how e-ink devices sell, like the kindle? Let me tell you they sell great. Because the 10 paperback which will last you tens of years (some kind of super paperback paper I guess with no wear and tear, that you of course leave on your library in a teflon coat everyday) pales in front of a $600 tablet that can host ANY book on the globe, ever written, and ANY of websites and news, and books, online...actually the content this will be able to have will take you a billions and billions of years if you ever decide to read it all.

There's of course so much more to that, and I won't go into it here, suffice to say, that I am SURE that in a very short time apple will make you want to buy this and use it more than anything. Trust me on this. We are here anyway, and we 'll hopefully be here to see that in a few months.

And all the billions and billions of years worth of literature you speak of will be free no doubt. Afterall, Apple is such a giving entity!
 
Regardless of when Apple intends to ship a tablet, if they are going to do so in the first half of this year they have to announce it, a la the iPhone, at CES. Doing so will absolutely suck all the air out of the competition and be the buzz of CES. No doing so, Apple risks entering a very thin and fractured market.

Tablet type gadgets are becoming increasingly popular (see Kindle, Nook, esp the repurposed Nook). Apple will enter the market because it is the next big thing as paper cedes to pixels and not to have a candidate in the market is to self-implode its towering dominance in consumer electronics marketing.

That said I don't expect an Apple tablet to be value priced, so I suppose it will piss off a lot of people here. I'm guessing $800, unsubsidized, based on the fact a 64GB iPod Touch is $350. Add in a larger panel, SSD, and battery and the price easily doubles.
 
I guess my issue with tablets, Apple and other companies, is what's their killer feature? What feature will make me wanna get a tablet?

With the iPod, it was portable mass storage of my music.

With the iPhone, it was the mobile browser and the apps.

What will be the killer feature of tablets? ebooks? eMagazines? eNewspapers? I don't know... just doesn't seem like a killer feature to me, but maybe I'm wrong. I usually am when it comes to Apple.

Lets flip this, and look at Apple's not so-sucessful product:

AppleTV... iTunes for the TV? Nice, but a killer feature? Not so much.

AppleTV's problem, imho, is that there's no single killer feature. The so-called upcoming Tablet feels the same thing to me.

w00master
 
Tablet type gadgets are becoming increasingly popular (see Kindle, Nook, esp the repurposed Nook).

Those are not tablets. They are e-readers. They are not multi-purpose devices like the ones I posted earlier.

Tablets aren't having success. E-readers are. If Apple makes an e-reader, it won't have the features of a tablet or they'll price themselves out of the market. If they make a tablet with e-reader capabilities, it runs the risk of being as unpopular as all other general use tablets.

And all the billions and billions of years worth of literature you speak of will be free no doubt. Afterall, Apple is such a giving entity!

You might want to look into Project Gutenberg (named after the inventor of the printing press). It is available through Stanza on your iPod Touch or iPhone or on your computer through the Web. You can obtain many works that are out of copyright for free on it, including many works by the french philosophers of the 18th century, Shakespear's works, many older poems (like Dante's inferno) etc.. etc..
 
And all the billions and billions of years worth of literature you speak of will be free no doubt. Afterall, Apple is such a giving entity!

And your point would be? What book publisher gives away public domain tales? I remember having to buy all mine back in HS and college. Of course it is much easier to find public domain titles in e-format than print. There are already tens of thousands of public domain titles in PDF and ePub format right now. No need for Apple to have to get involved there.

Besides that there are tons of free apps in the iTunes app store. I can't say the same in the Blackberry app store. So much for Apple not being giving.
 
Those are not tablets. They are e-readers. They are not multi-purpose devices like the ones I posted earlier.

Tablets aren't having success. E-readers are. If Apple makes an e-reader, it won't have the features of a tablet or they'll price themselves out of the market. If they make a tablet with e-reader capabilities, it runs the risk of being as unpopular as all other general use tablets.

Without sales figures, who says these things are successful?
 
Those are not tablets. They are e-readers. They are not multi-purpose devices like the ones I posted earlier.

Tablets aren't having success. E-readers are. If Apple makes an e-reader, it won't have the features of a tablet or they'll price themselves out of the market. If they make a tablet with e-reader capabilities, it runs the risk of being as unpopular as all other general use tablets.

You are being too literal. E-Readers are indeed single purpose tablets. My point is that the tablet format is becoming popular now that companies have figured out out to get the public to embrace them. Add in Apple's marketing savvy to turn a single purpose tablet into a multipurpose one and BAM!

This is exactly what they did with the single purpose MP3 player. First they put in video (remember, when SJ originally said no one wanted to watch video on such a small screen), then added a phone, then apps. The iPod is still a music player, but now its multipurpose. Apple will do the same with tablets.
 
And your point would be? What book publisher gives away public domain tales?

Project Gutenberg.

http://www.gutenberg.org

You are being too literal. E-Readers are indeed single purpose tablets. My point is that the tablet format is becoming popular now that companies have figured out out to get the public to embrace them. Add in Apple's marketing savvy to turn a single purpose tablet into a multipurpose one and BAM!

This is exactly what they did with the single purpose MP3 player. First they put in video (remember, when SJ originally said no one wanted to watch video on such a small screen), then added a phone, then apps. The iPod is still a music player, but now its multipurpose. Apple will do the same with tablets.

E-readers are also much cheaper than the rumored Apple tablet or other general purpose tablets.

The iPod is still just an iPod, the video part hasn't taken off as much as you think it as. And before the iPhone, there were other cellphones with music playing capabilities. Apple wasn't the first to do device consolidation, again, this is only true in the delusional apple fanboy universe.

The fact is, all the things the iPod does were highly popular and in demand before Apple shipped a product that did it. Tablets, not so much. E-readers might be gaining traction, but they are not general purpose tablets so you can't compare them. You need to look at the general purpose tablets out there to see what kind of success the platform is having.
 
Without sales figures, who says these things are successful?

It's hard to believe companies trying to beat each other to the punch with their latest model if they are not the future. Also hard to see why the book publishing industry is in such a panic about them if they don't see increasing sales if digital copies vs. hard copies. Or maybe you having seen the recent spate of publishers state they are delaying sales of e-Books for a few months to give hard copies a head start. Fact is people want digital books.
 
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