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Flash is an "accepted" standard now whether Apple likes it or not. A year ago, 98% of all web connected devices could run Flash, and I consider that a "standard."

Real Video was an "accepted" standard for video on the web a decade ago.
Today not so much.

Web technologies change over time, dude. :)
 
NPR and the New York Times yes, those services are worth paying for or making a donation to. The WSJ, not so much. The WSJ is moving closer to being the NYPost.

I laughed so hard. The WSJ continues to be an incredibly valuable resource for anyone interested in solid business and financial news. Just as the NYT continues to be a solid source of sports news, Broadway reviews, and color commentary on NY life. I kid I kid. Both solid papers.
 
So while developing Flash-free versions of websites may be reasonable for certain publications with the structure and resources to accomplish the feat, it is by no means an easy solution for the many sites out there currently relying on Flash to display their standard Web content. During a visit to New York City to promote the iPad to publishers, Apple CEO Steve Jobs reportedly argued against the need for Flash, pushing publications toward adoption of other technologies such as H.264 video and JavaScript that are more iPad-friendly.

I disagree because Flash is a tool for the lazy or incompetent web developer. A quality web developer will have no problem providing quality web content without the use of flash. It is that simple.
 
From Apple's site, the most recent press releases:

iPad Available in US on April 3
03/05/2010
Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement
03/02/2010
iTunes Store Tops 10 Billion Songs Sold
02/25/2010
Apple Releases Aperture 3
02/09/2010
Apple Launches iPad
01/27/2010
Apple Reports First Quarter Results
01/25/2010
Media Alert: FY 10 First Quarter Results Conference Call
01/21/2010
Apple’s 2010 Proxy Statement Now Online
01/12/2010
Apple’s App Store Downloads Top Three Billion
01/05/2010
Apple Countersues Nokia
12/11/2009
Apple Store Upper West Side Opening on Saturday, November 14
11/12/2009
Apple Announces Over 100,000 Apps Now Available on the App Store
11/04/2009
Apple Introduces Apple TV 3.0 Software With Redesigned User Interface
10/29/2009

Pretty hard to talk about Apple's other products when even they aren't.

Also my take on "optimizing" sites for Ipad surfing? No one with any busine$$ sense can possibly ignore a market of potentially millions of users who can use a credit card number from literally anywhere on earth with mobile phone service to purchase goods and services online.

Dave
 
Just what in the world would the iPad have to do with MBP and MP updates? Apple updates products when they're ready. They are not using MBP employees to make iPads.

No they are not. However in the past apple tend to roll out one hardware update at a time. Now with WWDC just a little over two months away & the iPad release April 3rd and Apple seems stretched. Besides Apple needs to concentrate on the iPad right now at the expense of the Mac Book Pro. So the new Mac Book Pro will probably wait until WWDC for the "one more thing" segment after the new iPhone OS & OS X beta announcements.
 
I disagree because Flash is a tool for the lazy or incompetent web developer. A quality web developer will have no problem providing quality web content without the use of flash. It is that simple.

please at least consider educating yourself before making ignorant comments like the one above. might i suggest you start with these books:
 

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What a sad sad day for us all that web pages have to be dumbed down so that a brand new (not even out yet) device can view them correctly.

Seriously, is this the direction we want.
Having the world wide web now, and having different versions of web pages for certain devices?

No.

As was said in the beginning a device should be able to fully render a web page as it is NOW.

Can you imagine the hail of laughter from Apple users if web pages had to be modified to view better on a Msoft tablet.
 
I disagree because Flash is a tool for the lazy or incompetent web developer. A quality web developer will have no problem providing quality web content without the use of flash. It is that simple.

Can you direct me to all the non flash games sites please?
 
Seriously, is this the direction we want.
Having the world wide web now, and having different versions of web pages for certain devices?

No.

Less speaking for the rest of us and what 'we' want, please.

I definitely appreciate mobile versions of sites on my phone.
 
Flash's Bad reputation

Flash as a platform is not as bad as people make it out to be. The issue comes from it being easy for people to produce things in it without taking the time to optimize and clean up. There are many more "sloppy" Flash developers out there then there are good, solid ones. Flash can be light and stable, if you take the time to learn the language and the platform and the resposibility of making sure you only use needed resources and when you are done with them, release them. Just like any other development platform.

I am a 10+ year veteran of Flash development and have seen my fair share of poorly developed Flash applications, mostly banner ads... which I am sure we can all agree need to no longer be created using Flash, however I have also seen some very large scale sites/applications that run flawlessly with no lag. These are the ones that have been developed by people who have taken the time to learn the platform and develop resposibly.

<climbing off soap box />
 
Why limit it to just the iPad/iPhone?

I want it for my everyday (desktop) browsing too!!
 
Pretty hard to talk about Apple's other products when even they aren't.
Dave

I don't know if you've noticed a certain pattern in Apple's press releases, but they only tend to send out press releases when they have something NEW to tell about their products? As in, you know ... NEW products :rolleyes:

When they are ready to roll out new MacBook Pros and Mac Pros I think you'll see press release about it then. Not before.
 
This trend toward websites optimized for the iPhone and iPad bothers me. I can't even access cnn.com on my iPhone because that site is optimized for the device, but users in Japan are blocked from accessing it. Therefore, I don't even bother with cnn.com anymore.

As long as these optimized sites remain open to overseas viewers, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But if they block based on IP address, then they are dead to me.
 
If you have only a short term view, that might make some sense. In reality, though, the number of hits from mobile devices is growing like crazy and accelerating. At some point, the developer says "I can make one site that reaches everyone" and switches to html 5.

Yes, Web traffic from mobile devices grew 110% in North America over the past year and 148% globally... but guess what, they still only 1.3% of traffic in the US (even less globally- o.98%) and the iphone is a % of that.

even if you get 5-8 million ipads out there this year - netbooks sold 33.1 million units last year and they wont just vanish or stop selling overnight.

Yes, "At some point" - but we nowhere near that, why they announced a new mobile site not a redesign main site. The numbers are just not there.
 
I had no idea this site was owned by Rupert Murdoch (News Corp).

Yikes and yuck.

I'll visit other rumor sites.
 
No. This is like Honda announcing a new liquid hydrogen powered car and Shell announcing that they'd be adding hydrogen pumps to half their gas stations.

And if you can't see why THAT would be important news then I really can't help you.

So you're saying that we should all run out and buy iPads because 2 websites are creating iPad-compatible versions (substitution for "optimized"..."optimized" is just a Marketing pretty word to describe a re-write). Yeah, that newsflash makes me just want to jump and get my wallet.

-Eric
 
This is just the beginning - all big news corporations will do this.

It will be the best way to read news. Video, interactive diagrams, etc to help the viewer retain ever more.

It's only the beginning... The iPad will be another 'want' just like the iPod. Give it some time. ;)
 
i'm not sure what this story is suppose to represent. iPhone specific sites without Flash are numerous and have been around for a long time. is this story suppose to imply that Adobe should suddenly prepare for the great wrath of iPad? please. the advancements of ActionScript 3.0 and Flash Player 10.1 are far more interesting than a larger iPod touch.

Is it really necessary that you voice the same opinion in EVERY thread? Each and every user here knows your standpoint on the iPad by now.. Give it a rest.. If you are that much annoyed by the thing than why do you insist on talking about it? Sheeshh :rolleyes:
 
I'm sure the optimizing isn't only concerned with fitting the content on the screen.

True...it *may* not. However, I've seen plenty of "optimized" versions of websites on the iPhone such as Yahoo! Mail...and they stink...big time!...and oh, for example, Yahoo! Mail forces me to use its mobile version rather than the full HTML. Lovely...so I can't attach my pix or do some other stuff that is basic.

Many websites I visit with my 6 month old iPhone go into Mobile mode and then I have to find the Full mode. If a 9.7" "device" that Apple says is so magical, why are websites doing re-writes? Granted anything the WSJ produces is going to be advertised by Apple for the next 5 years and vice versa.

I'm all for having websites look beautiful...but a 9.7" screen should be plenty large to show a full website inside it...granted the text may be small/large or you may need to scroll a tad. My full-mode websites on my tiny 4" iPhone screen look just great (except for missing Flash)...yet now some websites are doing re-writes for the iPad. Makes you wonder.
 
As a Mac user I am starting to hate the iPad. Before you discard me just think the last time you have seen updates on Mac book Pros & Mac Pros. It seems the iPad is delaying the updates to these two Macs.

I'd take new products like the iPad over iterative updates to already great products like the MacBook (Pro) line, though I understand your frustration.
 
NPR and the New York Times yes, those services are worth paying for or making a donation to. The WSJ, not so much. The WSJ is moving closer to being the NYPost.

I'd much rather think of the iPad as a NewsPad, or a MediaTab. Anything but the iPad.

>>> lol!! You are free to make a political donation to whom ever you wish.
 
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