NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL

[swingerofbirch]

perhaps an ignorant question

From my understanding, in general, the faster the graphics card and the more memory it has the faster you can do video editing and the more frames per second a game will have. Now, if you are adding on a graphics card to a Power Mac because it is necessary to simply run a display of enormous magnitude and resolution, does that then mean that said graphics card would be more impotent in dealing wtih graphics and FPS because it is having to carry the burden of the large display?

In other words, would the 6800 Ultra be a more powerful performer in a computer that was connected to a 20" display instead of the 30" display?

BTW, cannot wait to see the 30" in person. The only Mac dealer in my area is Compusa and they are slow to get new Mac products. They have a 23" one sitting in there now, anyone think they'll have a display of the new 30" (ever)?

 

[Mav451]

NVidias goal is to eventually take up 4 spaces with their SLI/PCI-e versions of these cards and is moving to update their chipsets for use with two PCI-e x16 video cards.

But motherboards like ATX ones are based on a standard, and adding space means changing the standard so they no longer meet the standard.

Hmm that's actually a very good point, and probably has a lot to do with their recent announcement on developing nForce4.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=16874

It gets the ultimate drool factor for both the native PCI-E and Soundstorm 2 (assuming we won't run into problems like nForce2 chipsets had with the original Soundstorm -_-).

 

[Mtn Tamale]

So is this a good trade off?

I'm set to order the G5 2.5ghz and a 23" display with a 9600xt vid card. I really only need a 2.0ghz G5, but for an extra $300 I figured I future proof my purchase. I'm buying this on the education pricing plan.

Question is: Would it be better future proofing to get a 2.0Ghz G5 with the nVidia 6800 card? Given that 10.4 and on with take so much more advantage of the vid card?

 

[Mav451]

I'm set to order the G5 2.5ghz and a 23" display with a 9600xt vid card. I really only need a 2.0ghz G5, but for an extra $300 I figured I future proof my purchase. I'm buying this on the education pricing plan.

Question is: Would it be better future proofing to get a 2.0Ghz G5 with the nVidia 6800 card? Given that 10.4 and on with take so much more advantage of the vid card?

Nah, its a better idea to have the TOP CPU + mid Vid card. Its easier to upgrade the video card later anyway...whereas a CPU upgrade would be rather complicated--especially since it is water-cooling based now.

 

[DMann]

ATI X800XT

It can if ATI want's it to and at better quality , all ATI need to do it add the Dual DVI to a mac version , and who's to say there won't be a Radeon X800XT PE DDL for mac.


Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra DDL fill rate is 6.4 Gpixels/sec

ATI Radeon X800XT PE fill rate is 8.3 Gpixels/sec

So you tell me if it can?

I am sure ATI will be releasing a DDL for the Mac by the end
of summer.

 

[DMann]

CPU or GPU?

Nah, its a better idea to have the TOP CPU + mid Vid card. Its easier to upgrade the video card later anyway...whereas a CPU upgrade would be rather complicated--especially since it is water-cooling based now.

Yes, upgrading a CPU in a new G5 would not be easy.
Waiting for the next latest and greatest Video card
would be the way to go!

 

[DMann]

impotent or important?

From my understanding, in general, the faster the graphics card and the more memory it has the faster you can do video editing and the more frames per second a game will have. Now, if you are adding on a graphics card to a Power Mac because it is necessary to simply run a display of enormous magnitude and resolution, does that then mean

that said graphics card would be more impotent in dealing wtih graphics
and FPS because it is having to carry the burden of the large display?

In other words, would the 6800 Ultra be a more powerful performer in a computer that was connected to a 20" display instead of the 30" display?
(ever)?

 

[ddtlm]

DMann:

I am sure ATI will be releasing a DDL for the Mac by the end of summer.

I'd imagine that a few of their FireGL Radeons support dual-link DVI already.

 

[swingerofbirch]

impotent

i did intend to say what i wrote: impotent, not important; however, after reviewing my post, i realize i could have written slightly more clearly

impotent as far as i know simply means not powerful or intense; i believe i used it correctly

no takers on answering my question, though?

 

[DMann]

Question

From my understanding, in general, the faster the graphics card and the more memory it has the faster you can do video editing and the more frames per second a game will have. Now, if you are adding on a graphics card to a Power Mac because it is necessary to simply run a display of enormous magnitude and resolution, does that then mean that said graphics card would be more impotent in dealing wtih graphics and FPS because it is having to carry the burden of the large display?

In other words, would the 6800 Ultra be a more powerful performer in a computer that was connected to a 20" display instead of the 30" display?

BTW, cannot wait to see the 30" in person. The only Mac dealer in my area is Compusa and they are slow to get new Mac products. They have a 23" one sitting in there now, anyone think they'll have a display of the new 30" (ever)?

I now better understand your question. The slowdown when comparing
running a 30" LCD as opposed to a 20" monitor would be slight - since both the graphics card and the processor work in tandem to generate FPS.
The graphics card will indeed be taxed more by the 30", but you'll have to try them side by side to find out if the difference is greatly noticeable. Perhaps Barefeats or Tom's Hardware think to compare them on different sized monitors. Also, Tiger will be allocating even more work toward the graphics card with Core Image, music, and video. Good question - by the time Tiger is released, I'm sure we'll be seeing two more generations from both NVidea and ATI.

 

[DMann]

Invidia

i did intend to say what i wrote: impotent, not important; however, after reviewing my post, i realize i could have written slightly more clearly

impotent as far as i know simply means not powerful or intense; i believe i used it correctly

no takers on answering my question, though?

The new GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL is loaded with enough
memory and processor speed to handle running two
30" LCDs in addition to movie editing - if you are running
a single 30" and a high end game, it probably won't compromise
too much, but I'll bet you'll get better performance on the 20".

 

[stingerman]

I now better understand your question. The slowdown when comparing
running a 30" LCD as opposed to a 20" monitor would be slight - since both the graphics card and the processor work in tandem to generate FPS.
The graphics card will indeed be taxed more by the 30", but you'll have to try them side by side to find out if the difference is greatly noticeable. Perhaps Barefeats or Tom's Hardware think to compare them on different sized monitors. Also, Tiger will be allocating even more work toward the graphics card with Core Image, music, and video. Good question - by the time Tiger is released, I'm sure we'll be seeing two more generations from both NVidea and ATI.

The physical size wouldn't matter for game performance. You can still set the resolution settings to lower than the max to get more FPS. The higher the resolution the lower the FPS. Your goal would be to try to not fall below the display frame rate of 16ms or ~60FPS. So get the 30".

 

[Anonymous Freak]

30" does *not* mean more processing.

It's the resolution that matters, not the physical display size. *NO* game is going to be playable at the 30"'s native resolution, no matter what card you have. Just as with the 23" display, most games run at a much lower resolution, such as 1024x768. (Lots of games don't even support the 23"er's native resolution, so playing at full res isn't even an option.)

So, you'll end up with the same number of pixels being rendered, they'll just be smoothed out a bit better on the 30" monster. And since the GeForce 6800 is the highest end video card that will be available for the Mac, it should outperform anything else, on any size monitor.

 

[stingerman]

The new GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL is loaded with enough
memory and processor speed to handle running two
30" LCDs in addition to movie editing - if you are running
a single 30" and a high end game, it probably won't compromise
too much, but I'll bet you'll get better performance on the 20".

So just set the Game resolution to the same as the 20" Max, You'll get the same performance on the 30". The thing is that on the 20" you can't go higher, you can always go lower on the 30"

 

[absolut_mac]

Yeah Right!!!

I honestly couldn't care if nVidia was 10% or 10,000% better than ATI!

Why???

Because with the pathetic support I got from them in the past, they lost me as a customer. Besides, what good is the world's best card with zero customer support 😡

 

[sambo.]

hmmmm.

looks like a 2.0, 9600 + 23" monitor for me. i aint spending AUD$6000 on a screen.

three/four years time or when i NEED to add more machines to the biz, i might get one then, and pass my machine down to the new employee. however, G6's will prolly be around by then, & 58" monitors will be announced.

however, if the price on the 9800 dfx card comes down before i order my machine, i'll get that.

would love a 30", but i aint made of cash, regardless of what steve thinks........ 😱

 

[zelman]

4 maybe?

Can this card run 4 23" displays instead?

and does anyone with $15k want to try using it for that super IBM display that requires 4 DVI ports (I forget the model)?

 

[Mr.Sorensen]

The real question here is whether any of the tecnology available now can display upwards of 4200 x 2000 pixels... My holy grail is to be able to display vistavision-size full-resolution motion picture film footage on a single desktop monitor on a mac...

How many more years????

Who wants HD when there is FILM resolution out there?

 

[TMay]

would like a 30 in for MCAD

I would like one of these for my peecee running pro/engineer. Is the 6800 Ultra DDL mac specific? Otherwise, I'm having a tough time finding a video card that will support the 30 in.

 

[PPC970FX]

Hm

Can sombody tell me the mhz in the core and RAM on the 6800Ultra, and why is it bigger (longer) the the x86 6800Ultra? Does it have 512MB??

 

[yamabushi]

I would like one of these for my peecee running pro/engineer. Is the 6800 Ultra DDL mac specific? Otherwise, I'm having a tough time finding a video card that will support the 30 in.

Yes this card is Mac specific but PC versions are also becoming available from various vendors. The Ati X800 is also theoretically powerful enough to drive the 30in but drivers might not support it yet.


I suspect that the 6800 card may run at a conservative clock speed in order to reduce power requirements, heat, and noise. Nevertheless, I expect the perfomance to be phenomenal.

 

[Michael Vance]

I was looking at pictures from the WWDC of a G5 with the 6800 Ultra installed. Is it possible to install it complimentary to another card (such as the Radeon 9600? What are all the ADC owners going to do if they want to get a 30" display?

Let me get this straight. Current G5 models are only available with cards having ADC ports, yet Apple no longer makes monitors using ADC ports. That is so typical of Apple. Selling video cards that don't work with any currently selling monitors on earth, not even Apple monitors. It's just typical Apple. Make a proprietary product that exclused your product's use with anything else, then discontinue it, yet continue to sell it.

Now about the dual dual DVI port. Please tell me this is not yet another port that works only with new Apple monitors and nothing else.

I want to buy an Apple computer and use it with two Samsung 21" DVI monitors. Is there a card available for the Mac that will run two standard DVI? Do I have to buy a computer and rip the card it comes with out and replace it with another?

The new Apple monitors look pretty good but unfortunately I can't use any monitor that doesn't have two ports for AB switching. Shame about that.

 

[Mercury]

I just went ahead and ordered a dual 2.5 with Radeon 9800XT. One reason is the shipping date. The time I'll probably most get to enjoy this computer is during the summer, before I start doing applications and class again. Having the best computer in the world does me no good if I can't play it, and waiting until August simply ruins it. Second, it is cheaper, by a bit. The argument about importance of CPU vs. GPU convinced me. 500mhz(1 ghz total) could make a huge difference down the line, and I'm anxious to test the LCS. While I want a l33t gaming machine, for the next year or so, the Radeon 9800 will be great for everything. When it comes time to replace it, the extra $135 I saved plus a bit more can probably get me an upgrade that'll be even better than the 6800 at the moment. Yeah, that only gets me $200 at most of purchasing power(with $50 from ATI's trade-up program), but, hey: It's cheaper than upgrading the CPU.

Posts convincing me otherwise are plenty welcome.

 

[HornetOSX]

I want to buy an Apple computer and use it with two Samsung 21" DVI monitors. Is there a card available for the Mac that will run two standard DVI? Do I have to buy a computer and rip the card it comes with out and replace it with another?

An ADC port can be converted to a DVI port with a simple 10 buck adapter

ADC is just DVI with USB and power on the same connector.

 

[Mercury]

Let me get this straight. Current G5 models are only available with cards having ADC ports, yet Apple no longer makes monitors using ADC ports.

They come with one each of ADC and DVI, with the exception of the 6800 that comes with two dual DVIs. You could run (any) two flat panels with that, and at least one with all the others without an adapter.