NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL

[Trekkie]

so why did jobs PROMISE 3GHz, view the keynote.
The benchmarks were flawed, dodgy gcc compiler and settings and questionable configuration of the PC system they used with no details on BIOS/Windows settings. As i have 1st hand experience with many platfroms including the power, itanium, sparc and the opteron I know how each performs lets just say IBM were far from impresive. As I remember people were thinking that panther was 64-bit.

I know marketing and Apple is very good at it, but theres marketing and theres bull**** lies and apple does the latter.

Jobs promised because IBM promised, and IBM couldn't deliver.

For someone claiming to have lots of experience with other platforms it's amazing to me that you single out Apple and call them liars in every post you've made on the page.

Sun - Won't run any benchmarks because they aren't 'real world' tests. In other words, they get their asses handed to them by IBM and HP because the Sparc is such a hog. Intsead Sun will make a competitor set up an extensive and expensive benchmark usually making the customer not want to bother. That or Sun will give away the hardware in an effort to keep the account, I've seen it first hand.

Dell - Will tell a customer some rock bottom price in the bid, but when it comes time to deliver says 'oh, that's discontinued'. The reason they've won is because they bid a processor that isn't made anymore at pennies on the dollar, winning the bid but then selling them a 'more expensive replacement' that was just in line, or more expensive than the competeting bids.

HP - Claims they've sold 100,000 Blade servers and that they're the 'leading vendor' However they fail to mention that they've had blades since 2000 or so, and that IBM has almost hit that number and they've only had blades (and fewer models, they don't have single proc blades) in only 18 months.

Intel claimed that the Pentium II was some new kick ass thing and put a bunch of people dancing in pink & purple clean room suits. They forgot to tell people that PII 233 - 333Mhz chips were dogs compared to Pent 166 - 233 Mhz because the PII's new and improved design moved the chace off the processor die & it halved the cache speed. It wasn't until the 350/100 Pentium II came out that the speed actually improved.

Same for the Pentium IV 1.5GHz - 1.8GHz range vs. Pentium III 1.0 - 1.3Ghz because of the increase in the stages of the pipeline. While overall it improved as clock speed increased the 10 vs. 20 stage dramaticly slowed the P4 for some time.

I'm sure we could jump out of the computer industry and pick Pepsi, Coke, Chevrolet, Ford, Toyota, Honda and find all sorts of 'lies'. If you hate Apple so much , go find a truth telling PC vendor and get one of theirs.

 

[army_guy]

IBM should stick to servers and leave the workstations to the likes on intel, sun and amd. The power is great on paper but it just lags behind in real world use. I should note that Cadence has left IBM behind with the major EDA tools and it takes alot to do that, thier is also a rumor that Mentor is following Cadence and dumping thier support for the power series. I dont know about you but when a software company producing $1M tools decides to cease support for that platform then theres obviously something wrong. While IBM is loosing support SUN is gaining it, as for the sparc it isnt a hog it has to be used in the right way.

 

[danva]

IBM and EDA

army_guy,

As one working in EDA for 10 years I can tell you that Cadance "leaving" IBM has nothing to do with their platform. It only has to do with quality of IBM internal CAD/EDA tools - there are very good folks working in IBM CAD departments. There are leaders in EDA world in EDA related technologies, formal verification being one of the examples.
Even Intel untill not long ago used exclusevely internally developed EDA tools - this is a big money pie many EDA vendors are fighting for these days.

EDA vendor platform support is only coming to platforms used in hardware design houses which are willing to buy EDA products.

Relax and get a clue 😀

 

[army_guy]

fair enough, my point being is that IBM arent the so called leaders anymore and thier H/W is only good on paper IMO

 

[topicolo]

Well, after my wife leaves me upon buying 2 30" monitors I can think of one organ that will not be needed for a bit.....


Don't know a about a market for it though.

You don't need a wife if you've got a mac with 2 30" monitors 😉

 

[agdickinson]

'Old' Dual 2Ghz G5 + 6800

Does anyone know yet if the new 6800 works with the "Old" G5 Dual machine?

It's "only" £450 or so in the UK, so I'm tempted?

Thanks

Andrew
🙂

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Does anyone know yet if the new 6800 works with the "Old" G5 Dual machine?

It's "only" £450 or so in the UK, so I'm tempted?

Thanks

Andrew
🙂

Well, Apple's only requirement is a G5, so it should. All G5s have AGP 8x slots, and since the new card is available as an option on the new dual 1.8 system, which is architecturally halfway between the old 1.6 and the old dual 1.8, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

I wonder if this card supports IBM/ViewSonic/Iiyama's monster 9MP 22.3" display? (It's 22.3", with an insane resolution of 4xHD, or 3840x2400. Basically, it's four 23" Cinema HD Displays crammed together into the same physical space. It requires FOUR DVI connections, as two dual-DVI plugs. It comes with a four-monitor Matrox card, and appears to Windows as four separate monitors, each 960x2400.) Since the GF6800 U DDL has two dual-DVI plugs, it might work. (And it would be more pixels than two 30"ers, albeit in less than half the space, at a whopping 200 pixels per inch.)

 

[Anonymous Freak]

OK I understand that now so 1 DUAL Link DVI is actually two DVI's merged into the same connection?

Yes, and the new 6800 Ultra DDL has two of these dual-link connectors. Meaning it has four DVI channels. Which is why some are wondering if you can use a dual-to-two-single DVI breakout cables to run four 'lesser' monitors. (Such as the 23" display.)

I'd much rather have four 23"ers than two 30"ers. Nice 3820x2400 grid, 46" diagonally. (Yeah, it'll have a couple of breaks for the borders, but still cool.)

 

[Mercury]

I already changed my order when I came back from work today. But now the delivery date was pushed back from August, 2nd to third week of August. 🙁

How exactly do you change your order, anyway? I'm thinking if I don't get it by third week or so of July, changing my order to the 6800 with some extra saved up cash.

 

[Sun Baked]

Well, Apple's only requirement is a G5, so it should. All G5s have AGP 8x slots, and since the new card is available as an option on the new dual 1.8 system, which is architecturally halfway between the old 1.6 and the old dual 1.8, I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Actually the NEW DP 1.8 G5 changed quite a bit, there are some strange changes under the hood of that new machine.

But a good hint at the possible new consumer machines. 😉

 

[davetrow1997]

Appledebt...

Don't Forget.. There is Always Apple Credit from MBNA.

9.99% OAC 90 Days same as cash up to a 25,000 Credit Line!

All you need to Submit is a short application, 1 arm, 1 leg!

My Dream Setup was only 248$ a month WOOHOO ;P Except they wont give me a dime of credit till I pay off the 45k I owe other various banks!

Student loans $250k, Car loan $25K, Home loan $150K....

A $12K Dual 2.5 tricked out... Priceless

It really does just seem like a drop in the bucket in comparison..

 

[Mercury]

Student loans $250k, Car loan $25K, Home loan $150K....

A $12K Dual 2.5 tricked out... Priceless

It really does just seem like a drop in the bucket in comparison..

$250,000 for school?! Where are you going? If that's in USD, or even CAD, yeesh!

I s'pos for medical school AND undergrad, but man, don't envy you there.

 

[daveL]

fair enough, my point being is that IBM arent the so called leaders anymore and thier H/W is only good on paper IMO

I'm sorry, army_guy, but I'm really tired of your half-baked posts. It would really be nice if you led with your mind and not with your mouth. Like ranting about all of Apple's "lies" and then a dozen posts later: "Oh, so DDL is a standard DVI connector with 2 data lines with twice the bandwidth; now I get it" (to paraphrase - you don't deserve the effort to look up the exact quote).

BTW, corporations are consider to be an entity, i.e. like a (note the singular) person. It isn't "IBM aren't" it's "IBM isn't". If you want someone to take you seriously (which most of us don't), try introducing some intelligence into your posts, rather than your normal, misplaced emotions.

If you're not a troll, you should still consider teaching a class in trolling; you're very good at it.

 

[Travis Novak]

Does anyone know yet if the new 6800 works with the "Old" G5 Dual machine?

It's "only" £450 or so in the UK, so I'm tempted?

Thanks

Andrew
It should work. But what i'm wondering is now that apple is dvi, are pc grapics cards still incompatible? Most apg cards on pc and mac are driverless so what makes the transition difficult? 😕

 

[jsw]

It should work. But what i'm wondering is now that apple is dvi, are pc grapics cards still incompatible? Most apg cards on pc and mac are driverless so what makes the transition difficult? 😕

Others in this thread (and others) are better able to explain why the PC cards aren't compatible (I think it's more than just drivers, maybe not). But the fact that Apple just went all DVI isn't the problem, I don't think. Otherwise, people would have been plugging PC cards into Macs and just using cheaper DVI monitors all along....

 

[Mav451]

Does anyone know yet if the new 6800 works with the "Old" G5 Dual machine?

It's "only" £450 or so in the UK, so I'm tempted?

Thanks

Andrew
It should work. But what i'm wondering is now that apple is dvi, are pc grapics cards still incompatible? Most apg cards on pc and mac are driverless so what makes the transition difficult? 😕

Driverless? You'd be fooling yourself if you thought that was the case. Both Mac and PC's use drivers, however, with Macs, drivers are part of an OS update...which is why they hardly get updated (6 month-1 year cycle vs. once a month or two on the PC side). PC drivers are updated constantly (and dare I say too quickly sometimes)--but that is the double-edged sword of using bleeding edge software.

So Macs, while typically getting much less driver updates get the "WHQL" ones, or the "stable" (but not as up-to-date) in comparison to the PC drivers.

But this is besides the point. The main difference lies in the video card's BIOS (which identifies the card at startup, for both the Mac and PC). If it is the wrong one, obviously, then it doesn't work. This is why I believe that if someone were to develop a technique to flash the cards, you could potentially use a PC card in a Mac. However, in the case of the 6800, the "Dual Dual link" that is special to the Mac version is not part of the PC version, at least at this point in time.

 

[davetrow1997]

Stupid Army...

$250,000 for school?! Where are you going? If that's in USD, or even CAD, yeesh!

I s'pos for medical school AND undergrad, but man, don't envy you there.

I sort of cheated. That's med school debt x 2 for my wife and I...

I am a little bit peeved at our hospital, actually... We used to use macs for medical image viewing because they were the best system out there... now that the Army has decided that we are going to be an "Army of One," they have gone to a total Windows environment. I can hardly get a good workflow, the servers, workstations, and image viewing systems are so freaking BUGGY. We use now these crappy Viewsonic flat panels with absolutely HORRIFIC viewing tolerances, or whatever the proper terminology is.
I tried to convince our IT department that we should s***can these pieces of junk and go back to the mac platform... dual G5s everywhere driving 23" LCDs for medical image viewing would be very nice.

Looking at DICOM images using freakin' Dells with Viewsonic monitors is like malpractice. OsiriX is a peachy DICOM viewer that would smoke using this new graphics card...

 

[AidenShaw]

"Apple are" on the other side of the pond

BTW, corporations are consider to be an entity, i.e. like a (note the singular) person. It isn't "IBM aren't" it's "IBM isn't".

Not to defend army-guy, but in British English corporations are considered to be plural.

"Apple are screwing their customers" would be proper speech in London.

 

[daveL]

Not to defend army-guy, but in British English corporations are considered to be plural.

"Apple are screwing their customers" would be proper speech in London.

Being American, I was not aware of that difference in grammar, although it still drives be crazy. Thanks for the correction.

 

[thedogcow]

I sort of cheated. That's med school debt x 2 for my wife and I...

I am a little bit peeved at our hospital, actually... We used to use macs for medical image viewing because they were the best system out there... now that the Army has decided that we are going to be an "Army of One," they have gone to a total Windows environment. I can hardly get a good workflow, the servers, workstations, and image viewing systems are so freaking BUGGY. We use now these crappy Viewsonic flat panels with absolutely HORRIFIC viewing tolerances, or whatever the proper terminology is.
I tried to convince our IT department that we should s***can these pieces of junk and go back to the mac platform... dual G5s everywhere driving 23" LCDs for medical image viewing would be very nice.

Looking at DICOM images using freakin' Dells with Viewsonic monitors is like malpractice. OsiriX is a peachy DICOM viewer that would smoke using this new graphics card...

If you both are on your way to becoming doctors, I think you can afford the measly 12K for a computer.


🙄

 

[Freg3000]

Being American, I was not aware of that difference in grammar, although it still drives be crazy. Thanks for the correction.

I hate it too-it drives me up the wall. But I guess I'll just have to live with it. 😛

 

[W.O.D.]

so why did jobs PROMISE 3GHz, view the keynote.
The benchmarks were flawed, dodgy gcc compiler and settings and questionable configuration of the PC system they used with no details on BIOS/Windows settings. As i have 1st hand experience with many platfroms including the power, itanium, sparc and the opteron I know how each performs lets just say IBM were far from impresive. As I remember people were thinking that panther was 64-bit.

I know marketing and Apple is very good at it, but theres marketing and theres bull**** lies and apple does the latter.

Army guy, I listened to your points in your posts until now, but the more you talk the more you appear to just be a troll. Especially with the "Let's just say IBM were far from impresive" So not only did you butcher the grammar on that, but now you claim that the awards that IBM has gotten (another one recently by the way, people) are just, what?, awards that Apple pressured these 3rd parties to give to IBM? Anyway, some of what you say is half true, but you really overstate the case. Folks, this is just another troll. Don't rubberneck looking at this guy's stuff -- just keep on moving.

 

[thatwendigo]

Army guy, I listened to your points in your posts until now, but the more you talk the more you appear to just be a troll. Especially with the "Let's just say IBM were far from impresive" So not only did you butcher the grammar on that, but now you claim that the awards that IBM has gotten (another one recently by the way, people) are just, what?, awards that Apple pressured these 3rd parties to give to IBM? Anyway, some of what you say is half true, but you really overstate the case. Folks, this is just another troll. Don't rubberneck looking at this guy's stuff -- just keep on moving.

You left out the all-important fact that Apple's testing agency published their methods, which completely invalidates another of army_guy's claims. The systems, their setups, and everything else were documented all the way through the bakeoff.

 

[DMann]

Arrange for a Demo

I sort of cheated. That's med school debt x 2 for my wife and I...

I am a little bit peeved at our hospital, actually... We used to use macs for medical image viewing because they were the best system out there... now that the Army has decided that we are going to be an "Army of One," they have gone to a total Windows environment. I can hardly get a good workflow, the servers, workstations, and image viewing systems are so freaking BUGGY. We use now these crappy Viewsonic flat panels with absolutely HORRIFIC viewing tolerances, or whatever the proper terminology is.
I tried to convince our IT department that we should s***can these pieces of junk and go back to the mac platform... dual G5s everywhere driving 23" LCDs for medical image viewing would be very nice.

Looking at DICOM images using freakin' Dells with Viewsonic monitors is like malpractice. OsiriX is a peachy DICOM viewer that would smoke using this new graphics card...

What a shame.........An idea -- try calling Apple, speak to their PR/Business department, and find out if they would be willing to loan a demo system to your hospital. I doubt this is common practice, but perhaps, with a little persuasion, Apple might consider extending a taste of the "Apple Experience" to start to expand their enterprise market-share...... just a far, FAR fetched thought...

 

[DMann]

Not a lie......yet

I dont have to remind anyone here about apple lies, you know what iam talking about so dont act stuipid, I only have to mention promise of 3GHz, worlds fastest personal computer and that OSX is a 64-bit OS, these are only from the top of my head. And why are the PC benchmarks sites still waiting for review systems from Apple.....

The year is not over yet..... IBM is currently producing PPC980
chips, in tandem with POWER5. Fulfillment of the 3GHz promise
is not that far off..........