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NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL
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ITR 81 said:
Duh its the same card, it will be the driver that decides if DUAL 30" work or not, the resoulution is to do with the .inf file and is not a direct hardware limitation. Take the situation where I want to use the latest nvidia drivers on my M60 laptop, the 1920x1200 isnt in there so I modify the .inf to get that resolution. As for the ULTRA version, there isnt enough to go round for the PC's let alone the MAC's and I doubt nvidia will be supplying Apple with the ULTRA versions as there are allready reservered for the PC enthusiasts. As I said before the MAC and PC cards are identical and is only the difference of the BIOS. Remember the yield of the NV40 is still very low.
swingerofbirch said:
A faster graphics card will not give you faster video editing, your talking about 2D speed of which has remained more or less constant during the last couple of years. As for games yes as its 3D. You dont need a 6800 to run a single 30" Display Apple is just saying this to get more money. aka the maketing lie, of which Apple is full of these days
yamabushi said:
The problem is while a mac friendly VGA KVM switch can be had for $40 including cables, the DVI-USB KVM switches are running about $250+ and then you have to buy 2 or more $80 cables to run them. Right now it's cheaper to pay a little extra and buy a display with two inputs instead of using a DVI KVM switch.
If you've seen something cheaper, I'd love to know. I'm in the same boat. I'd love a 20" LCD display, but I need to hook up a Mac and PC to it. I don't see a point in investing so much money above and beyond the price of the display itself so I will keep running my old CRT.
don't think that ultra and ultra DDL are equivalent
Dual Link DVI
I lifted this from apple's 30 in cinema display page:
Dual Link DVI
"The 30-inch Cinema HD Display requires the next level of DVI connectivity dual link to drive the massive amount of pixels to the screen. And the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card (available from the Apple Store) delivers, with the most advanced graphics engine available. This card, designed specifically to support the dual link DVI connection, delivers 2560 by 1600 resolution. Even better, it can drive two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays, giving you the ultimate creative canvas. This card will be available for Mac only in August 2004."
The difference really is the dual "dual link DVI" which was provided "specifically" for Apple. This is as well what SJ mentioned during the keynote. Otherwise, I agree that Ultra and Ultra DDL are (more than likely) identical.
army_guy said:
Dual Link DVI
I lifted this from apple's 30 in cinema display page:
Dual Link DVI
"The 30-inch Cinema HD Display requires the next level of DVI connectivity dual link to drive the massive amount of pixels to the screen. And the NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL graphics card (available from the Apple Store) delivers, with the most advanced graphics engine available. This card, designed specifically to support the dual link DVI connection, delivers 2560 by 1600 resolution. Even better, it can drive two 30-inch Apple Cinema HD Displays, giving you the ultimate creative canvas. This card will be available for Mac only in August 2004."
The difference really is the dual "dual link DVI" which was provided "specifically" for Apple. This is as well what SJ mentioned during the keynote. Otherwise, I agree that Ultra and Ultra DDL are (more than likely) identical.
this is very vague, thier are DUAL DVI 6800 ULTRA cards avilable for the PC and I fail to see why the need for a 6800 to support that resulultion when I can see higher resultions in any of the nvidia .inf files. I think that the card is only needed when driving two 30" panels not one and Apple decided to make it a requirement just for thier sake, again thier marketing lies.
more dual dvi-i info
http://www.ddwg.org/dvi.html
Even with the dual link, Apple is still outside the standard with substantially higher resolution. Hardly marketing lies.
army_guy said:
http://www.ddwg.org/dvi.html
Even with the dual link, Apple is still outside the standard with substantially higher resolution. Hardly marketing lies.
Trekkie
macrumors 6502a
DMann said:
It has been a while since I've paid attention to the straight video card portion of the market, I don't care as much as I used too.
However, driving the resolution of the bigger monitors is mainly the work of the VRAM and a bit of the processor. The VRAM allows for the resolution with the color depth, and then the processor really affects the frame rate last time I did in depth research.
So the more memory the card has the higher res it supports. While the 9800 does have 256MB it doesn't have the ability to dual scan the monitor like the GeForce does.
I'm a bit dated, but my experience comes from the IBM IntelliStation line of products. IBM has a 22.1" 9MP monitor that needs a QuadraFX1000 or better to drive it, and it's dual DVI attached.
lot more expensive too, $8599 last time I looked (list price)
So in short my guess is that there wouldn't be a perf difference bewteen the 30" and the 23" on the same graphics card based on what I remember. However I'd be willing to bet the 30" card runs warmer and closer to its limits as far as 'what it can do' but you won't see the difference in benchmarks.
open up an nivida .ing file and look theres resolutions higher than Apples for cards based on NV25-NV40. Apple doesnt want users with cards lower than a 6800 to use the 30" panel period even though it is possbile to do so on a PC. Aple has allways been decepive with thier H/W and its just lie after lie.
If your outside the standard then your not in the standard for what was set for that specification, I wouldnt trust anyone to screw around with computer standards such as DVI let alone Apple. Now what is the refresh rate of the 30" panel? how about 40-50Hz to achieve that resolution with DUAL Link DVI.TMay said:
jsw
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army_guy said:
Umm... in what ways have they "allways been decepive"? Which are the lies after lies?
The 6800 is the only card- currently - on a Mac that will power the 30". It will only fit on a G5. Period. These are not a lies. No one is stopping video card manufacturers from making cards for the Mac. Apple isn't. It's a small market, and the card makers pick and choose what they port over.
I dont have to remind anyone here about apple lies, you know what iam talking about so dont act stuipid, I only have to mention promise of 3GHz, worlds fastest personal computer and that OSX is a 64-bit OS, these are only from the top of my head. And why are the PC benchmarks sites still waiting for review systems from Apple.....
standard
Well, if the Dual DVI-I standard only goes to 2048 x 1600, then Apple doesn't have much choice but to extend the standard (most likely increased the frequency), and frankly, who better than Apple at this point. The response time is quoted at 16ms, which is about 65 hz.
army_guy said:
Well, if the Dual DVI-I standard only goes to 2048 x 1600, then Apple doesn't have much choice but to extend the standard (most likely increased the frequency), and frankly, who better than Apple at this point. The response time is quoted at 16ms, which is about 65 hz.
how does this card compare to high end pc graphics cards like 3D labs wildcat VP series, that are in my veiw the best GPU avalible (shame they only build for pc's)
Older Macs
I have a powermac G4 AGP 500 (which now has a 1ghz card and i just bought a Radeon 9000).
Can I run one of these new monitors on this setup?
I currently run one of the 17 inch ADC monitors using Dr. Botts DVI->ADC thingie.
Can i run a new mac monitor on my dvi port on my graphi
I have a powermac G4 AGP 500 (which now has a 1ghz card and i just bought a Radeon 9000).
Can I run one of these new monitors on this setup?
I currently run one of the 17 inch ADC monitors using Dr. Botts DVI->ADC thingie.
Can i run a new mac monitor on my dvi port on my graphi
fedora said:
The wildcat cards are not for comparison to the 6800, they are to the quadro series and have price tags to match $1000-$3000+. The quadro cards are focused for OpenGL and stability with CAD applications NOT games, thier performance in these apps is anywhere from 2x the equivalent consumer card i.e. Quadro 4000 VS Geforce 6800 ($2500 VS $499)
By the way the 7210 wildcat sticks out of the G5 case so mechanically it doesnt fit....
jsw
Moderator emeritus
army_guy said:
(1) Any time anyone predicts a system speed over a year in the future, it's commonly thought to be a prediction, not a statement asserted to be true. Hence, not a lie.
(2) Some benchmarks showed it to be fastest. Doesn't mean fastest at everything. Not a lie.
(3) Apple never called OS X 64 bit. They said the G5 was 64 bit. Big difference. Not a lie.
If you consider Apple's PR to be lies, you might want to look up the term and usage of "marketing". Many companies have been known to use it.
so why did jobs PROMISE 3GHz, view the keynote.
The benchmarks were flawed, dodgy gcc compiler and settings and questionable configuration of the PC system they used with no details on BIOS/Windows settings. As i have 1st hand experience with many platfroms including the power, itanium, sparc and the opteron I know how each performs lets just say IBM were far from impresive. As I remember people were thinking that panther was 64-bit.
I know marketing and Apple is very good at it, but theres marketing and theres bull**** lies and apple does the latter.
The benchmarks were flawed, dodgy gcc compiler and settings and questionable configuration of the PC system they used with no details on BIOS/Windows settings. As i have 1st hand experience with many platfroms including the power, itanium, sparc and the opteron I know how each performs lets just say IBM were far from impresive. As I remember people were thinking that panther was 64-bit.
I know marketing and Apple is very good at it, but theres marketing and theres bull**** lies and apple does the latter.
wPod
macrumors 68000
hmm. . . dual 30" displays. . . as remarkably cool as that sounds (yes i had to change my pants after hearing about the 30" display) what exactly do you do with 2 30" displays? you can only watch a DVD on one screen. . . can you play a video game on 2? can you do more on dual 30" screens than on dual 23"?
Trekkie
macrumors 6502a
army_guy said:
Before you accuse Apple of lying make sure you understand what you're referring too.
Dual link DVI <> Dual DVI ports. Dual link DVI = two ports that are really 4 DVI ports. That's how they attach twin 30 inchers to that card.
According to nVidia's website the Quadra FX4000, FX 3000G, and FX3000 offer tihs technology. There isn't much as far as 'specs' of the 6800 on the page other than the marketspeak chipset features so it's hard to tell if the PC version will have this.
Trekkie
macrumors 6502a
wPod said:
I would think doing HD video editing with the timeline and stuff on one screen and the full screen output on the other might be useful.
I've never heard someone complain that their monitor setup was 'too big' other than it made the desk bow when it was a CRT.
Not that I'm ever going to get dual 30's anytime soon, boy that'd be fun though to dink around on, but I couldn't ever come up with a reason to do that for home use. I'm probably going to go with the 20 before it's all over with.
OK I understand that now so 1 DUAL Link DVI is actually two DVI's merged into the same connection?