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NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL

wdlove said:
There is nothing like first hand experience. I'm encouraged that everything worked alright for you sushi. To look at what others are saying, there are many on this board that are professional, which gives them the confidence. I think that the Apple Store professional staff is there for customers like us.
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I forgot to mention, but I believe that the cable was something like 10,000 yen at the time. So it would have cost me close to 100 bucks had it happened to me!

Sushi
 
os10geek said:
You do, of course, realize that the reason the cards block a PCI slot is not because they need more bandwidth; it's because the heat sinks make the card too thick to fit inside its allotted space inside the computer. That said, there is no reason that the X800 will be any different in that respect.
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The X800 runs cooler than the previous generation Ati powerhouse, the 9800. Ati probably has the option to keep the Mac version of the X800 thin enough to occupy just a single slot space. This would benefit them because it would increase the odds of Apple choosing it for the base model of the next revision of the PowerMac.
 
yamabushi said:
The X800 runs cooler than the previous generation Ati powerhouse, the 9800. Ati probably has the option to keep the Mac version of the X800 thin enough to occupy just a single slot space. This would benefit them because it would increase the odds of Apple choosing it for the base model of the next revision of the PowerMac.
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Why not just add the best graphics card to the best Power Mac now? I don't really see any reason to wait.
 
wdlove said:
Why not just add the best graphics card to the best Power Mac now? I don't really see any reason to wait.
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The timing of the release of the X800 would be up to Ati. I can only guess at their reasoning for delaying a launch on the Mac platform. I don't see any pressing reason why they would have to wait. I do think that they would be more succesful by squeezing it to take up less space than the GF6800 or R9800 if possible rather than compete for even better game frame rates.
 
yamabushi said:
The timing of the release of the X800 would be up to Ati. I can only guess at their reasoning for delaying a launch on the Mac platform. I don't see any pressing reason why they would have to wait. I do think that they would be more succesful by squeezing it to take up less space than the GF6800 or R9800 if possible rather than compete for even better game frame rates.
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Seems from the news that ATI can't produce enough cards to keep the PC side stocked. Right now there is no reason for them to put a further strain on demand by adding a Mac edition into the mix.
 
btw ATI's support for dual screens is not so good, i.e. you only get 3d capability on one screen with their desktop range.

As a PC user I am getting impatient for an announcement regarding a DDL card from either vendor that is not workstation price . Come on - I want that 30 inch screen.

....or I could buy a mac 😉
 
os10geek said:
You do, of course, realize that the reason the cards block a PCI slot is not because they need more bandwidth; it's because the heat sinks make the card too thick to fit inside its allotted space inside the computer. That said, there is no reason that the X800 will be any different in that respect.
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The PC Version of the Radeon X800XT occupies only one slot, it runs much cooler and uses a low profile heat sink.
 
Macrumors said:
The $599 NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra DDL card that Apple introduced on Monday represents a significantly improved graphics card now available to Mac users.

Previously, the best card available to Mac users was the ATI Radeon 9800 XT which adds $300 to the cost of a build-to-order PowerMac G5. The new GeForce 6800 adds another $150 to that cost, but delivers significant performance boosts.

Tom's Hardware provides a review of the PC version of the card. The card appears to represent a generational jump rather than an incremental upgrade:



The specially engineered Mac version of the card also provides support for Dual DVI connectors -- providing support for the new 30" Apple Display. In fact, it comes with two Dual DVI connectors, allowing users to drive two 30" Apple Displays.

Halo Benchmarks at Tom's Hardware.
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Toms benchmarks are for the 6800 ultra, not for the 6800 ultra ddl. The DDL will be much faster than the ultra.
 
wnurse said:
Toms benchmarks are for the 6800 ultra, not for the 6800 ultra ddl. The DDL will be much faster than the ultra.
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That's absolutely false. The only difference between it and the PC-side Ultra is that it has different diplay connectors on the back of the card. There's no architectural/speed difference at all.


And if the DLL was faster, why isn't it available on the PC side? 🙄
 
Please excuse my ignorance, but I'd rather ask what feels like a dumb question than sit in the dark.

If I were to get a 6800 card for my new Dual 2.0 G5, would I be able to just pop the 9600XT out of it and pop it *in* to my old Dual 1.25 G4?

I've been looking for the answer online for a couple of hours and can't find it on the ATI site or any Mac boards.

Thanks in advance for any help.
 
paulvee said:
Thanks, but my question was about the 9600XT....

Still the same answer?

Thanks.
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Yes, that too requires 8x, sorry I misread 6's and 8's when reading from this monitor.
 
Kind of veering from the current train of thought here, but has anyone else talked to Apple about when the G5s w/ 6800s might start shipping?

I ordered a DP2.0 w/ 6800 a few days ago, and got buyer's remorse and called ADC to change it to a DP2.5. However, when I talked to the (very nice) woman, she said that production of my current order should be done "in the next few days." Hopefully that means that the August 20th date everyone's being quoted is true for the 6800s as well (and will be even better, considering mine is quoted as August 31st, but she indicated quite possibly an "earlier" ship date than that, though she was reluctant to say anything more).

At any rate, could the 6800 be ready to ship very soon? Just wondering if anyone else had the same experience if they called up Apple for anything.
 
slughead said:
Yes, that too requires 8x, sorry I misread 6's and 8's when reading from this monitor.
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Thanks for the reply, Slughead.

I did a lot of research today, spoke with lots of people and, finally, DUH, took the card from my G5 and opened the G4. Yeah, it will not go in.

More phone calls, etc. Turns out that the only card I can get to go in there now that will support Motion would be the retail version of the ATI Radeon 9800 Mac Edition. Man, i wish I could get the OEM version somewhere. Since I already have the Apple DVI to ADC connector and I can get the cards on eBay for about 250 clams, it's an option, but I'd have to do hook it into the power supply via the supplied "Y" connector. Not a big deal, but they do stress how you need to have enough power, a 300 watt power supply, etc, and I already have 4 hard drives in that machine. I wonder if it would make a difference? I wish I could find an OEM version somewhere, but I suppose that would draw the same power, just without having to use the external cable.

The 9600 I could sell on ebay if I get the GeForce 6800. And I worry about *that*, too, since I have a G5Jam installed. I think thermal issues would be okay and I would imagine that the 6800 is no longer than the 9600, which would be the big issue.

Well, I have to think about all this some more. It's a lot of money and I'm not a gamer, just a video artist.

Ugh.

Thanks to all, and I welcome any thoughts, opinions or rants.
 
army_guy said:
OK I understand that now so 1 DUAL Link DVI is actually two DVI's merged into the same connection?
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Not really. A dual-link DVI has 2 sets of data channels. One channel carries the odd pixels and the other carries the even pixels. So you can't split the channels out and drive 2 monitors.
 
wnurse said:
Toms benchmarks are for the 6800 ultra, not for the 6800 ultra ddl. The DDL will be much faster than the ultra.
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Err no, how can that be if the cards are the same, the ULTRA is officially the fastest card, and is clocked the same as the PC version, it wouldnt make sense for NVIDIA to provide apple with the highest clocked (ULTRA EXTREME etc.) parts since these are specificaly targeted at enthusiasts.

Also there are higher clocked cards for the PC 500MHz core 1.2GHz+ Memory, the pc is also getting SLI where as the MAC is not and has no plans to do so.
 
nVidia G-Force 6800 Ultra DDL

Has anyone gotten received this card yet. Interested in the performace boost. I have the 1st gen G5 dual 2.0 with the ATI 9600 and have the nVidia card on order.
 
dmglover said:
Has anyone gotten received this card yet. Interested in the performace boost. I have the 1st gen G5 dual 2.0 with the ATI 9600 and have the nVidia card on order.
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The shipment of the card has been delayed until the middle of October. This is also the reason why Apple has delayed the shipment of the 30" Cinema Display until mid October.
 
My order for the 6800 Ultra DDL still shows shipping Sept 17. I guess I should anxiously await my email from apple telling me my order is delayed.
 
mklos said:
The shipment of the card has been delayed until the middle of October. This is also the reason why Apple has delayed the shipment of the 30" Cinema Display until mid October.
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What has happened to delay the NVIDA 6800 until the middle of October? This doesn't sound like its the fault of Apple.
 
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