Don't feel too sorry for us. We don't have nearly the amount of heat issues high end 15" owners have. And we do have fully clocked GPUs do to the extra size.
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NVIDIA Powered MacBooks on October 14th?
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Don't feel too sorry for us. We don't have nearly the amount of heat issues high end 15" owners have. And we do have fully clocked GPUs do to the extra size.
Honestly, I hate the name MacBook Pro. Why? Because it seems to make people think it is a designed as a mobile workstation/desktop replacement. Remember back when they were called the iBook and the PowerBook? That did the job much better. Not much info about target markets, it just showed one was meant to be better than the other. Nothing's changed. As for the people who want to monster GPUs, I am STILL waiting for a justification for it. If you are making CGI graphics, or want to play games, you shouldn't be looking at a laptop as your main machine.
Agreed. The name "Pro" should be dropped and there should be a unified laptop line now.
All are Aluminium, 16:9 ratio, black MacBook Air-keyboard and more environmental friendly.
It is a desktop replacement.
Because people might be working on the go and require a powerful computer? Work anywhere and have a huge amount of power for a portable device.
After the disappointing rumor of a November+ delay yesterday, we are rewarded with two rumors supporting October 14. Here we come!
Apple will release their own chipsets that comply with Intel and leverage Apple specific solutions making their hardware differentiation obvious from general PC laptops, desktops and workstations.[/QUOTE]While I would like to believe you, I think NVIDIA is more likely. There are too many rumors and speculation for NVIDIA to not be true, unless this is one elaborate Apple ruse.
GPUs are just one part. CPUs are another. We have seen the first quad-core notebooks with 45 W 2.53 GHz CPUs. 45 W 2.27 GHz is coming soon (if not already). But the MacBook Pro is too thin to hold a 45 W CPU, so it has to stay with dual-cores that aren't clocked much higher (2.8 GHz) than the top quad. How is that acceptable as the top CPU for a pro notebook (it's not even 3.07 GHz)? Dual-cores can stay in the MacBook and standard MacBook Pro options for all I care. Just like with high-end GPUs, I'd like to see high-end CPUs.
And it gets worse. In Q1 2009, Intel will release a $348 2.0 GHz quad-core. Given the GHz and $, I'd say it's 45 W again. The ≈$348 dual-core by then will be 2.67 GHz. So going on from Beric and Yixian's earlier comments, I'd say we could see high-end MacBook-priced PC notebooks with CPU performance greater than even the top-end MacBook Pro by Q1 2009. If Apple would just make the MacBook Pro thicker and allow 45 W CPUs, this wouldn't be much of a problem. In fact, the MacBook Pros could be entirely quad-core! How's that for a pro line?
It's going to get more powerful anyway.
Unfortunately though, I fear we will just get a MacBook Semi-Pro (with probably relatively worse GPUs than the 8600M, almost like the aluminum iMac) and a crippled MacBook with no glass trackpad. The worst case would be if Apple merged both lines into one thin "MacBook" line, stuck IGPUs in all of them, and claimed, "New MacBooks with NVIDIA GPUs: Twice as fast GPU performance as the previous MacBook."
I'm not liking this at all, for that reason. Unless NVIDIA is working with Apple and Intel.
Apple will release their own chipsets that comply with Intel and leverage Apple specific solutions making their hardware differentiation obvious from general PC laptops, desktops and workstations.[/QUOTE]While I would like to believe you, I think NVIDIA is more likely. There are too many rumors and speculation for NVIDIA to not be true, unless this is one elaborate Apple ruse.
SphericalPear on these forums claimed the MacBook Air would be discontinued and replaced with something else (tablet) at MWSF. Although I didn't believe this at first, the lack of MacBook Air rumors and the tablet rumors tell me that maybe SphericalPear is right.
See below.
Especially when the MacBook is rumored to go up to 14".
Let me third this idea.
GPUs are just one part. CPUs are another. We have seen the first quad-core notebooks with 45 W 2.53 GHz CPUs. 45 W 2.27 GHz is coming soon (if not already). But the MacBook Pro is too thin to hold a 45 W CPU, so it has to stay with dual-cores that aren't clocked much higher (2.8 GHz) than the top quad. How is that acceptable as the top CPU for a pro notebook (it's not even 3.07 GHz)? Dual-cores can stay in the MacBook and standard MacBook Pro options for all I care. Just like with high-end GPUs, I'd like to see high-end CPUs.
And it gets worse. In Q1 2009, Intel will release a $348 2.0 GHz quad-core. Given the GHz and $, I'd say it's 45 W again. The ≈$348 dual-core by then will be 2.67 GHz. So going on from Beric and Yixian's earlier comments, I'd say we could see high-end MacBook-priced PC notebooks with CPU performance greater than even the top-end MacBook Pro by Q1 2009. If Apple would just make the MacBook Pro thicker and allow 45 W CPUs, this wouldn't be much of a problem. In fact, the MacBook Pros could be entirely quad-core! How's that for a pro line?
Since the MacBook is apparently going upwards in performance, I really hope the MacBook Pro goes even higher still! No more crippling for either line! The MacBook can be a well-performing 1" 4.5 lb. notebook (many in its target market would prefer a reasonably thin and light notebook), while the MacBook Pro can be 1.33" (THINNER than the iBook G4), heavier, but much more powerful. The extra (1/3)" would deliver quad-cores, dual HDs, and maybe more to make a true PRO notebook. If you don't need that power, maybe a MacBook is better for you.
It's going to get more powerful anyway.Unfortunately though, I fear we will just get a MacBook Semi-Pro (with probably relatively worse GPUs than the 8600M, almost like the aluminum iMac) and a crippled MacBook with no glass trackpad. The worst case would be if Apple merged both lines into one thin "MacBook" line, stuck IGPUs in all of them, and claimed, "New MacBooks with NVIDIA GPUs: Twice as fast GPU performance as the previous MacBook."
I'm not disagreeing...
Yes, I think there will be two distinct product lines, and a primary differentiating factor will be performance vs price. No way does the MB get a dedicated GPU, but rather pinch pennies and go with an integrated solution.
As for looks - I think the MBP gets the current black/aluminum treatment like the iMac. I bet the MB still get colors.
No way will the MB and MBP look that similar. As you mentioned, they need to differentiate the product lines, but they will make it extremely overt. Like the iPhone vs. iPhone 3G, people need to be able to tell at a glance if you have bought the newest, latest, and greatestproduct, as they can easily with the MB vs. MBP currently. That is what their marketing is like. Nothing subtle about it. You are only as cool as the amount of $$$ you have forked to
No hating or anything, just the facts of basic product positioning and the psychology of
Yes, I think there will be two distinct product lines, and a primary differentiating factor will be performance vs price. No way does the MB get a dedicated GPU, but rather pinch pennies and go with an integrated solution.
As for looks - I think the MBP gets the current black/aluminum treatment like the iMac. I bet the MB still get colors.
Sadly, I don't think it's realistic that the MBP gets thicker since I can't see Job reversing on his obsession. There'd probably be just as many people complaining about it getting thicker as there are it being to thin.
What I'm hoping for is just that the next MBP doesn't get any thinner and stay at 1". When Apple introduced LED screens, it was supposed to allow for thinner screens, yet the thickness of the screen remained the same. That probably means that there is still room to make the screen thinner and devote that room to the main chassis while keeping the overall 1" thickness. It may not be much, but still better than nothing.
In regards to GPU, I'm hoping that Apple goes with the Mobility Radeon 4670 with 512MB of GDDR3. (The 1GB versions on desktop seems to use lower clocked DDR3 rather than GDDR3). The desktop 4670 performs pretty much like the previous desktop 3850, so if the Mobility 4670 can perform like the Mobility 3850, we'll probably get something competitive with the nVidia 9700M GT and possibly 9700M GTS. Basically a lower range high-end card, which seems fairly reasonable. Plus the 4670 supports 64-bit double precision floats for OpenCL use while the nVidia 9xxx series doesn't.
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Not that you can't run Final Cut Studio on the MacBook right now...Does this mean we could finally run Final Cut Studio on a MacBook?????
Right - what I wanted to say was "repaired twice in the first year of operation".
The Macbook Air will NOT be discontinued for the simple reason that it's selling extremely well
Does this mean we could finally run Final Cut Studio on a MacBook?????
If I'm not mistaken, I think rendering video relies more on the CPU than video card.... so you should be able to run final cut on a MacBook now. Plus Aplle offers final cut as an add on option with the MacBook right now... I doubt they would do this if the software doesn't run on the MacBook.
I could be completly wrong though... I don't do much (read as "none") video work.
Thanks, iMacmatician, for following up on my earlier comments in the following thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/556473/
The transition to the "TouchBooks" seems to be on its way - so let's be excited! The insider info that I had gotten when posting the thread last month definitely hinted at the intended phasing out of the MBA, for price, consumer-segment and product-differentiation reason. I didn't have exact information on the "brick" secret, but I am excited about the fact that my predictions make sense in the broader, Apple scheme of things... the TouchBooks will thus be produced in the brick... cool!
I am not entirely sure whether the MBA will be absorbed by the pre-TouchBook series that Apple will be announcing next week, or whether the 14th is just one step towards the reorganization of the portables product line.
In any case, thanks for referencting me, and let's enjoy the 14th!
-B
Motion and Color need better gfx cards and a 1680x1050 display. Color will run, but motion I believe not.