NVIDIA Powered MacBooks on October 14th?

The Macbook Air will NOT be discontinued for the simple reason that it's selling extremely well

it performs terribly and the hardware problems make users and the company go crazy...

it is totally overpriced and the sales numbers will go down like crazy on the 14th. whoever was so (economically challenged) to buy the MBA in the first place will switch to the optimally similar new MB/portables series. the MBA was, as I wrote, only a side product preparing several construction/hardware details for the upcoming restructuring of the portables series. expect a price drop, for the very least, or the total absorption into the new series.

-B
 
There will be two tablets in the future. An entry level convertible tablet (think emate) with touch os and hardware to compete with the netbook market. And then there will be the pro tablet thats not convertible with osx and dedicated graphics.;)
 
I think this is AWESOME news. The chance that new macbooks will have both integrated and dedicated gpus is great. This is a terrific thing to have for people on the go and for gamers as well.
 
One thing that absolutely needs to be fixed on the Macbook (and if they merge the product lines, I'm hopeful that they will) is to replace the TN flat panel with an IPS flat panel. The poor viewing angle is embarrassing. See the comparison here:

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3246&p=7

Good luck with that (H-IPS has replaced S-IPS) and you'll bump your price at least $200-$300 unless they plan on eating the cost.
 
Motion and Color need better gfx cards and a 1680x1050 display. Color will run, but motion I believe not.

Color-Specific Requirements

The standard graphics card in any Mac Pro, 17-inch MacBook Pro, 24-inch iMac, or 2.5GHZ or faster Power Mac G5 Quad.
For 32-bit rendering: a graphics card with at least 256MB of VRAM.
A display with 1680-by-1050 resolution or higher (excluding 20" iMac); dual displays are highly recommended.
A three-button mouse for full functionality

If it did, it'd be nice, but it doesn't. Final Cut Studio 2 has some pretty high system requirements. If you aren't running current or one generation old Intel based Macs you can barely run all of the apps.

p.s. There is no way a tablet can be more useful than a MBA. Both are niche products, so if Apple kills off the Air, don't expect anything more than a current iPodTouch to be your tablet.
 
There seems to be a lot of talk about nVidia chipsets being used not only for the MB and MBA but also for the MBP to enable Hybrid SLI and/or Hybrid Power. However, I think it's unlikely that Apple will move to an nVidia chipset for the MBP. Doing so will essentially lock them into using nVidia GPUs since I doubt HybridPower works with ATI GPUs. Intel's GM45 chipset however has an equivalent feature for switching between an integrated and dedicated GPU which would obviously be GPU brand agnostic since Intel doesn't yet make their own dedicated GPUs. This seems like the preferred option since I'm hoping Apple goes with the Mobility Radeon HD4670. The HD4670 has 320 SP which should overpower nVidia's mainstream GPUs regardless of their high shader clock since everything up to a 9700M GT only have 32 SP. More importantly even if ATI's drivers can't yet get the most out of their 5-way SP architecture (5x64=320 SP), presumably OpenCL software will be programmed with this parallelism and architecture in mind to better make use of the 320 SP. As well, the HD4670 supports 64-bit floats while nVidia's 9000 series only supports 32-bit.

One of the major justifications of going with an nVidia integrated GPU for the MB and MBA seems to be OpenCL support to fully take advantage of Snow Leopard. What I'd like to know though is whether Intel's GMA X3100 and GMA X4500 architecturally can't support GPGPU and OpenCL or whether Intel simply doesn't bother writing the drivers and interface for it because they want to focus on Larrabee. Seeing that the GMA X3100 and GMA X4500 also use a unified shader architecture and are DX10 compliant like nVidia and AMD GPUs, I bet it's the latter where Intel simply doesn't see the point in investing in GPGPU software support. Intel's unified shaders actually seem more flexible than nVidia's and ATI's given that Intel seems to use their unified shaders to assist in video decoding with a hardware scheduler between video and graphics mode rather than having dedicated hardware video units as nVidia and ATI have. Apple could probably develop the GPGPU interface for the GMA themselves if they want to, possibly make the hardware scheduler switch between video, graphics, and GPGPU modes and since they are defining OpenCL, they could easily define OpenCL in a flexible enough way to allow GMA support.

I'm also unclear whether nVidia's chipset will allow lower power consumption. nVidia chipsets have traditionally consumed more power than Intel's or ATI's solutions. And the Intel GM45 and PM45 have lower power consumption than their predecessor since they've moved from a 90nm process to a 65nm process so the bar has been set high for nVidia to justify themselves.

And the MCP7A-U that the article points to as a candidate nVidia chipset seems to be a desktop chipset since uATX is a form factor for small desktop motherboards. And mGPU doesn't stand for "mobile GPU" but "motherboard GPU", just another name for IGP. nVidia's upcoming mobile Intel chipset is supposed to be the MCP79 (http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=6859), however it's status is unclear since it was supposed to be released alongside Montevina 2 to compete against it.

I kind of feel sorry for Apple if they've actually had no intention of releasing nVidia IGPs since with all this hype if they just stick with Intel IGPs, people will be very disappointed. Still, they could go with Intel's yet to be released GM47, which is supposed to be a higher clocked GM45, with the IGP at 640MHz instead of 533MHz in the GM45, which Intel claims makes the GM47's IGP twice faster than the previous GMA X3100.

OpenCL is a general-purpose, heterogeneous parallel programming API which uses a subset of ANSI C-99.

OpenCL is CPU/GPU Agnostic. It sees the GPU as just another processing node. It leverages the strengths of CPUs and GPUs for what they do best.

This is probably the most straight-forward explanation:

http://www.khronos.org/developers/l...engl/OpenCL and OpenGL SIGGRAPH BOF Aug08.pdf
 
OpenCL is a general-purpose, heterogeneous parallel programming API which uses a subset of ANSI C-99.

OpenCL is CPU/GPU Agnostic. It sees the GPU as just another processing node. It leverages the strengths of CPUs and GPUs for what they do best.

This is probably the most straight-forward explanation:

http://www.khronos.org/developers/l...engl/OpenCL and OpenGL SIGGRAPH BOF Aug08.pdf
Well OpenCL is GPU agnostic because it separates programmers form the specific hardware in question. But someone still needs to develop the interface between the GPU and the OpenCL API. And the hardware itself needs to have some basic functionality such as scheduling control, cache structure, type of execution units available and how the output is formatted (to IEEE 754 standards). My question is that it's unclear whether Intel's GMA X3100 and X4500 are incompatible in hardware to GPGPU functionality, like their execution units can't output with sufficient accuracy, or it's simply that Intel hasn't bother to develop and interface to the GPU that OpenCL can be supported on top of.
 
HEY So what's the deal? Is this Macbook video card gonna be any good for gaming? Maybe at least some older games (HL2, source and stuff) ?????
 
The Macbook Air will NOT be discontinued for the simple reason that it's selling extremely well

Really? Have you seen data to support that?

If the new Macbook lives up to the rumors, it'll entice even more potential Air purchasers than it does now, so Apple's going to have to change it somehow or kill it. Personally, I would love to see Apple continue the Air and bring it in line with the competition by adding a larger HDD/SSD, more RAM, boosting battery life, and so on.
 
Really? Have you seen data to support that?

If the new Macbook lives up to the rumors, it'll entice even more potential Air purchasers than it does now, so Apple's going to have to change it somehow or kill it. Personally, I would love to see Apple continue the Air and bring it in line with the competition by adding a larger HDD/SSD, more RAM, boosting battery life, and so on.

i have definite evidence that MBA will be discontinued either this coming month or at the very latest in early january

no, it didn't sell well but generated a lot of intermediate profit as a side-product of the transition... sucks for those who baught the mbA
 
wow, now i really hope that this is true. though it would make the macbook closer to the macbook pro in performance
 
i have definite evidence that MBA will be discontinued either this coming month or at the very latest in early january

no, it didn't sell well but generated a lot of intermediate profit as a side-product of the transition... sucks for those who baught the mbA

sources?

and does anyone have actual sales records of the MBA?
 
i have definite evidence that MBA will be discontinued either this coming month or at the very latest in early january

I do not mind the MacBook Air being discontinued. Besides, Apple just made it for "extra cash" before these coming "real" updates where people will just buy the MacBook and they would not consider buying the MacBook Air.
 
i have definite evidence that MBA will be discontinued either this coming month or at the very latest in early january

no, it didn't sell well but generated a lot of intermediate profit as a side-product of the transition... sucks for those who baught the mbA

This is good, that means no touch screen tablet either.
 
This aint going to happen with current mac osx, and there has been no rumours of a touch screen version so its hardly likely to happen soon.

They have been working on a touch version of macosx. I read it somewhere on one of those major apple blogs. Someone go find I'm too lazy.:D

Oh and I too would like to see how many mba's have been sold
 
will we be able to buy the new books from the apple retail store as soon as oct 14th? Or is it only an anouncement/preview for the following weeks?

tks
 
will we be able to buy the new books from the apple retail store as soon as oct 14th? Or is it only an anouncement/preview for the following weeks?

Could be both but I think the new Macs would be available the same day of October the 14th.
 
yes, that jojo fellow needs to cough up numbers to backup his statement

well just reading the titles of the results of searching "macbook air sales" doesnt look promising.....

Still apple isnt going to kill off such a new product especially one of their signatures. Id expect an MBA "take 2" in a similar fashion to ATV.
 
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