Obsolete jewelry on the horizon.

[JayLenochiniMac]

Yep, more power to them. The only minor quibble is that they've left a huge hole in their pricing, by jumping from ~$1,000 to ~$10,000. Think they might fill that gap with something in the future?

Well, according to some "know it all's" on here.

Apple will NEVER make a gold plated or gold colored watch. EVER.

We will see

If selling $10-17K Edition models to the nouveau riche proves to be a failure (it won't be), then they'll entertain the idea of cheapening the line and make it like gold-colored iDevices. However, you can't eat your cake and have it too.

 

[BvizioN]

I very much have my eye on another Rolex at the moment that I not only like, I LOVE, and I can afford it multiple times over.I guess that blows your theory out of the water, huh, Einstain?

I did not say to afford it multiple times over was the criteria. I said to have all the money you ever need. And you don't strike me as someone who have all the money you ever need, mr gramar nazy. You wouldn't give it a second thought if you did.

 

[ninethirty]

However I strike you, believe me when I tell you you're wrong. Now what?

I did not say to afford it multiple times over was the criteria. I said to have all the money you ever need. And you don't strike me as someone who have all the money you ever need, mr gramar nazy. You wouldn't give it a second thought if you did.

 

[FlatCable]

Are you one of these people that thinks Apple gets "special" chips for their computers also, and don't use the same items that an in PC's
PC's using lower quality parts?

Where can I get a 2560x1600 13.3" IPS screen on a PC?

No more, no less. Please.

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I'm saying Rolex doesn't "cast" their watch cases. They are formed from bars, as I said. Stamped out of those bars, and the computer controlled machines (programable machines/"robots"...maybe CNC was the wrong word since most people mean it to be "CNC milling") finish the case. Nothing is cast into a "watch case mold".

For those not familiar with how advanced Rolex's manufacturing is, here are two really good articles (with photos and videos) on it:

http://www.ablogtowatch.com/10-things-know-rolex-makes-watches/

http://rolexblog.blogspot.com/2014/03/inside-rolex-part-3-exploring-wonderful.html

So... not CNC milled then...

I can assure you that gold cases are made from pouring gold to a mold.

And that's okay, gold proprieties allow that without no problem.

 

[BvizioN]

However I strike you, believe me when I tell you you're wrong. Now what?

Wow!! Believe me you are wrong, because I say so? How convincing!!

 

[chris975d]

Obsolete jewelry on the horizon.

Where can I get a 2560x1600 13.3" IPS screen on a PC?

No more, no less. Please.

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So... not CNC milled then...



I can assure you that gold cases are made from pouring gold to a mold.



And that's okay, gold proprieties allow that without no problem.

So what part of the photos or videos that I linked to show that? All I see is a completely automated process of bars of material where the cases stamped out, then further shaped by automated processes, until the final finish is achieved by robotics. This is with all metals, as clearly stated (and shown) in the videos and photos. There is not one "case shaped mold" in the process Rolex uses. The only mold that MAY be involved is one that the original bars of material may be made out of. But again, as I've stated several times now( and shown with photos and video), the cases themselves aren't molded. They are totally made by automated machines from a solid bar of source material.

But you're welcome to believe what you want, even if you don't explore the links. But doesn't mean you're right, either. Just in case you're not willing to open the links, does this case blank look "cast from a mold"?

 

[nitromac]

Where can I get a 2560x1600 13.3" IPS screen on a PC?

No more, no less. Please.

Lenovo Yoga Pro 3

13.3-inch, 3,200 x 1,800 IPS panel

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

Are you one of these people that thinks Apple gets "special" chips for their computers also, and don't use the same items that an in PC's
PC's using lower quality parts?

Apple does use custom chips in a subset of their computers. Most, however, use the same off the rack chips found in PCs.

 

[ninethirty]

You obviously have a hard time reading in between the lines.

Wow!! Believe me you are wrong, because I say so? How convincing!!

 

[BvizioN]

You obviously have a hard time reading in between the lines.

Funny you should say that!

 

[ninethirty]

Ok, you win. People with all the money they might ever need don't carefully consider purchases. They throw money at the wind, willy nilly, because why not? They wipe their asses and light cigars with 100's, because why use paper? There's money laying around and it isn't going to spend itself. Or maybe it might, right? Who knows! Well, you do, and the rest of the Macrumors forums, but everyone else is clueless.

Funny you should say that!

 

[Knowimagination]

However I strike you, believe me when I tell you you're wrong. Now what?

You obviously have a hard time reading in between the lines.

Ok, you win. People with all the money they might ever need don't carefully consider purchases. They throw money at the wind, willy nilly, because why not? They wipe their asses and light cigars with 100's, because why use paper? There's money laying around and it isn't going to spend itself. Or maybe it might, right? Who knows! Well, you do, and the rest of the Macrumors forums, but everyone else is clueless.

Just in case... I think you are very wise and knowledgable and if you were ever looking for a person to invest some money in I would be willing to talk to you about what a great investment I would be. Although it will be an investment with no return.

 

[bunnicula]

Well, according to some "know it all's" on here.

Apple will NEVER make a gold plated or gold colored watch. EVER.

We will see

I think they might make some SS ones with gold accents, some higher in ones with diamonds and so forth... a SS watch with a few tiny diamonds will cost less than a gold watch.

I can see lots of creative ways to add some offerings between the 1k and 10k price points.

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If selling $10-17K Edition models to the nouveau riche proves to be a failure (it won't be), then they'll entertain the idea of cheapening the line and make it like gold-colored iDevices. However, you can't eat your cake and have it too.

I think they'll do that eventually anyway. Not "cheapening" per se... just adding "gold" and "rose gold" to the aluminum sport line. To match iPhones and iPads.

These watches will look nothing like the Edition line. But, I think they didn't put them out right away because it would take away from the "here's the only way you can get anything gold or rose gold right now" appeal of the launch.

 

[ninethirty]

You don't need me According to my good friend BvizioN, people with wealth don't give a second thought to spending any dollar amount on something they like, so here's what I'd suggest.

Find out where a wealthy person lives. Create a lemonade stand outside their home on a hot day. When they walk outside, offer them a glass.. for only $10k. They like lemonade (presumably, otherwise you might have to alter the idea some - maybe have chocolate chip cookies, or ice cream sandwiches on hand), have more money than they'll ever need, and boom. You just made yourself a sale. Keep that up for a year or so, and soon you'll be the one buying lemonade. Or an Apple Watch Edition. Whatever happens to be in front of you at the time. No second thoughts!

Just in case... I think you are very wise and knowledgable and if you were ever looking for a person to invest some money in I would be willing to talk to you about what a great investment I would be. Although it will be an investment with no return.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

I think they'll do that eventually anyway. Not "cheapening" per se... just adding "gold" and "rose gold" to the aluminum sport line. To match iPhones and iPads.

These watches will look nothing like the Edition line. But, I think they didn't put them out right away because it would take away from the "here's the only way you can get anything gold or rose gold right now" appeal of the launch.

That I can see happen because they'll look nothing like the Edition models. What they won't do, however, is gold-plate them as that defeats the purpose of pricing them $10-17K to appeal to the nouveau riche. Their being obsolete in a few short years only adds to the appeal for showing off their wealth. That's why they didn't bother with a platinum version of the Apple Watch (looks too much like SS).

 

[farmkittie]

I do find is strange the general feeling by others on these forums that everyone with money is dumb and stupid and pretty much throws it away.

I've known people with money and they are some of the most shrewd and, one could say unwilling to spend money on anything unless they really have to.

That's mostly how they got rich in the 1st place.

Seeing all rich people who are dumb and just throw tens of thousands away on any old junk all day long I feel is an incorrect viewpoint that most people seem to share here for some odd reason.

The COO of my company (it's a smallish company) has much $$$$ and yet she still bargain shop for clothes. She gets clothes from yard sales and clearance sales only. I found out because she was shocked that I bought an expensive designer coat. I told her I got it for 75% off (true) but she thought that the 75% off price was way too high so, as others have noted, not all wealthy people are free with their spending.

 

[MH01]

I think Apple is tempting fate with the $10k gold watch. Even the wealthiest will frown at having a solid gold watch that stops being update-able, and ultimately becomes a non functioning gold bracelet, as the software updates stop and the hardware becomes outmoded in 3-4 years.

A $10K Rolex doesn't do that. And eventually it becomes worth more than the original purchase price, to everyone, not just hardcore fans.

There are certain consumer goods that simply don't translate to luxury goods.

Ask anyone with a 2007 Vertu phone.

Very valid point about the Rolex. Though Rolex are very clever when it comes to marketing and supply, making sure it's models retain their value

No a 10k digital watch will devalue very badly, especially once it replaced by a new version.

Wealthy Apple fans will not care though .

 

[bunnicula]

That I can see happen because they'll look nothing like the Edition models. What they won't do, however, is gold-plate them as that defeats the purpose of pricing them $10-17K to appeal to the nouveau riche. Their being obsolete in a few short years only adds to the appeal for showing off their wealth. That's why they didn't bother with a platinum version of the Apple Watch (looks too much like SS).

Agreed. I think they'll just slip those anodized aluminum colors to match iPhones in somewhere near an iPhone launch.

 

[FlatCable]

Lenovo Yoga Pro 3

13.3-inch, 3,200 x 1,800 IPS panel

I said, no more, no less.

It's different, it's not the same as Apple's.

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You may enjoy this:

https://youtu.be/6Uil3f62kiI

Note: from a comment under this video:

You get a materials manager,,,in a factory making wedding bands the gold pipes are weighed out and issued to the lathe operator,, and by the end of the day then he turns in the shavings in a plastic tote along with the rings,,, the shavings are rinsed in alcohol and water and spin dried,, melted into a bar weighed and assayed for purity,,, all workers wear uniforms without metal,, and are metal detected before leaving.....

Thanks.

But that's a CNC lathe, and not a CNC mill... it's a whole different story.

In that lathe, the gold comes out as a wire.

In a mill, the gold can come out as powder.

Also cleaning a lathe, which is much smaller and "tidier" is one story, cleaning a mill, is a whole different league, specially when the metal is worth a much more money than steel or aluminum...

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So what part of the photos or videos that I linked to show that? All I see is a completely automated process of bars of material where the cases stamped out, then further shaped by automated processes, until the final finish is achieved by robotics. This is with all metals, as clearly stated (and shown) in the videos and photos. There is not one "case shaped mold" in the process Rolex uses. The only mold that MAY be involved is one that the original bars of material may be made out of. But again, as I've stated several times now( and shown with photos and video), the cases themselves aren't molded. They are totally made by automated machines from a solid bar of source material.

But you're welcome to believe what you want, even if you don't explore the links. But doesn't mean you're right, either. Just in case you're not willing to open the links, does this case blank look "cast from a mold"?

Image

I only saw CNC at the rose gold bracelet.

On the 904L I see them using pressed steel. It's not CNC milled.

 

[chris975d]

Obsolete jewelry on the horizon.

I said, no more, no less.



It's different, it's not the same as Apple's.

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Thanks.



But that's a CNC lathe, and not a CNC mill... it's a whole different story.



In that lathe, the gold comes out as a wire.



In a mill, the gold can come out as powder.



Also cleaning a lathe, which is much smaller and "tidier" is one story, cleaning a mill, is a whole different league, specially when the metal is worth a much more money than steel or aluminum...

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I only saw CNC at the rose gold bracelet.



On the 904L I see them using pressed steel. It's not CNC milled.

lol. You also said rolex casts their gold. They clearly don't. States it right there, and shows it in the videos. The photo I showed above is a stamped "noble metal" watch case. The only noble metals Rolex offers are platinum and gold (various colors). Therefore they stamp and machine form their gold watch cases. Again, NOT cast into molds of the watch case. But hey, it's cool if you can't admit you're wrong. You're showing enough of your true colors in this thread anyway. Really?? The laptop screen above isn't the same as Apples? No sh**! It's a higher (better) resolution

 

[NT1440]

Ok, you win. People with all the money they might ever need don't carefully consider purchases. They throw money at the wind, willy nilly, because why not? They wipe their asses and light cigars with 100's, because why use paper? There's money laying around and it isn't going to spend itself. Or maybe it might, right? Who knows! Well, you do, and the rest of the Macrumors forums, but everyone else is clueless.

Ever see anyone fretting about their designer handbags? No? Because they cost nothing in a relative sense for the market the Edition is aimed at.

Hell, it wouldn't surprise me to see the $10,000 watches in the next Oscar goodie bag. These people piss away money like it's nothing, because once you have a few million in the bank, 10K now and again is literally a rounding error in your bank accounts interest rates.

 

[AFDoc]

So? The number is to show how few actually makes what is needed to do what he claimed. The majority of super rich people live in the EU or US (over 60%), which means there is properly not more than 500 in the world that makes $50 million or more.

Hmmmmmm the entire point of my post... not entirely sure now what your's was..... was to explain the people buying the edition watch don't care about spending 17k on anything.... for the majority of those blowing that much on that watch they find 17k in their couch seats...... Now move on as will I.

 

[technosix]

The most expensive gold edition watch is already doing its job before being seen, held, or sold. It's grabbing lots of attention and publicity for Apple.

Fact is once available it'll sell to some, in quantities no one can possibly know at the moment. No matter how many are sold or not sold it just doesn't matter. Apple can afford the outcome no matter what it is, and in the meantime it's doing its job.

All this speculation about who will buy, and if obsolescence matters, is all completely guesswork that also has no bearing on the outcome.

It, just like the rest, is just a watch.

 

[nitromac]

I said, no more, no less.

It's different, it's not the same as Apple's.

You're right. It's better. I've used both the 13 and 15" rMBP and a yoga pro 3 and the YP3 was just as good with color/viewing angles and clearly better on the resolution front compared to the 13" rMBP.

 

[FlatCable]

lol. You also said rolex casts their gold. They clearly don't. States it right there, and shows it in the videos. The photo I showed above is a stamped "noble metal" watch case. The only noble metals Rolex offers are platinum and gold (various colors). Therefore they stamp and machine form their gold watch cases. Again, NOT cast into molds of the watch case. But hey, it's cool if you can't admit you're wrong. You're showing enough of your true colors in this thread anyway. Really?? The laptop screen above isn't the same as Apples? No sh**! It's a higher (better) resolution

You clearly are delusional and non-factual.

Good luck with your $8K watch

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You're right. It's better. I've used both the 13 and 15" rMBP and a yoga pro 3 and the YP3 was just as good with color/viewing angles and clearly better on the resolution front compared to the 13" rMBP.

That's up to test.

But as I said, some components in Apple products are different.

So better or worse, they are different.