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That's an amazing configuration!

Anyway, I don't know if this tips the balance, but an with ADC Select membership you would get Leopard when it comes out. You would also get two programmer tech incidents, which could come in handy with your programming.
 
That's an amazing configuration!

Anyway, I don't know if this tips the balance, but an with ADC Select membership you would get Leopard when it comes out. You would also get two programmer tech incidents, which could come in handy with your programming.

Thank you very much for the ADC advice. Everybody here is so helpful!

I did compare the ADC discount and the educational discount. Since I am not an ADC member yet, the cost of the Select Membership makes the two possibilities cost approximately the same (educational vs ADC), but in fact the ADC option is slightly more expensive, as I recall (don't quote me on this).

I program a lot and have not needed any "tech incidents" yet, so maybe it is OK for me to stick with the educational discount.

Nonetheless, I appreciate your ADC suggestion.

Just to be safe, I think I will run the numbers on the calculator one more time, just to double-check.......

Thank you again. I sincerely appreciate the advice.
 
4 NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics cards

What is this for, the 4 30" Monitor?

Whats wrong with 2 ATI x1900 running at 8x Express Slots? It should run better then 4 7300s.
 
Whats wrong with 2 ATI x1900 running at 8x Express Slots? It should run better then 4 7300s.

The OP has stated that he doesn't run graphics-intense apps so there'd be no speed benefit to 2 X1900s. There could be a practical benefit outside of that though.

If down the line one wanted to add more PCIe cards to the machine, four 7300s would leave only one slot available, whereas with two X1900s would leave two available slots.

For example, the OP may like to add a fibre channel card to connect to an Xserve RAID, and/or a SATA card (maybe two) with eSATA slots to connect more really fast hard drives. External SATA drives might be slightly more convenient and prove to be a good backup option.
 
meh, i doubt, he won't even buy much from apple.

I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm..... it was a strange post.

I'm definitely purchasing this system as part of my research grant at the university.

It's not a question of yes/no, but just a question of whether I'm forgetting anything.
 
The OP has stated that he doesn't run graphics-intense apps so there'd be no speed benefit to 2 X1900s. There could be a practical benefit outside of that though.

If down the line one wanted to add more PCIe cards to the machine, four 7300s would leave only one slot available, whereas with two X1900s would leave two available slots.

For example, the OP may like to add a fibre channel card to connect to an Xserve RAID, and/or a SATA card (maybe two) with eSATA slots to connect more really fast hard drives. External SATA drives might be slightly more convenient and prove to be a good backup option.

Correct! I don't see any need to buy the X1900 graphics card since I'm not doing anything graphics intensive at all..... nothing would require the use of such a card. So I'm sticking with the humbler GeForce cards, because they meet my graphics needs (which are very humble).
 
Correct! I don't see any need to buy the X1900 graphics card since I'm not doing anything graphics intensive at all..... nothing would require the use of such a card. So I'm sticking with the humbler GeForce cards, because they meet my graphics needs (which are very humble).

But his point about two X1900's only using 3 PCI-E slots (they are double wide), but the MacPro has one double wide slot for graphics cards, rather than 4 PCI-E is probably something worth considering, it might be worth have another slot free for future use.
 
But his point about two X1900's only using 3 PCI-E slots (they are double wide), but the MacPro has one double wide slot for graphics cards, rather than 4 PCI-E is probably something worth considering, it might be worth have another slot free for future use.

That is an excellent point.... you're right about that. I should have mentioned that I'm still weighing this possibility. I don't think I'll need to insert other cards, but it is difficult to predict the future. Hmmm.......
 
do you have a budget to stick to? if not, go for broke and get two or three of these monsters, and fibre channel them together. Then invite me over, and leave me and the Mac Pro Pro in peace :D
 
That is an excellent point.... you're right about that. I should have mentioned that I'm still weighing this possibility. I don't think I'll need to insert other cards, but it is difficult to predict the future. Hmmm.......

Atlease leave yourself the option to insert more cards in the near future since this machine is going to last you a long while.
 
Correct! I don't see any need to buy the X1900 graphics card since I'm not doing anything graphics intensive at all..... nothing would require the use of such a card. So I'm sticking with the humbler GeForce cards, because they meet my graphics needs (which are very humble).

I think it's important to stay humble here...

Without that, there's a real possibility that mward333 will turn into an evil mad
scientist with such a machine :eek: ;)
 
...

As opposed to the good mad scientist he (she?) surely is now... :D
 
I think it's important to stay humble here...

Without that, there's a real possibility that mward333 will turn into an evil mad
scientist with such a machine :eek: ;)

Your hilarious post had me laughing out loud! I'm sitting here in my office reading and laughing, and people probably are thinking that I'm going loony now. :) Too funny!
 
Question: I'm buying a customized, extreme version of a Mac Pro and want to know if I am configuring it as affordably as possible, considering my computing needs are fixed. Is there anybody besides Ramjet and Newegg who have better deals (that are trustworthy!) on the configuration below?

octo core Mac Pro:
(installing my own RAM and disks, see below)
4 NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT graphics cards
Two optical drives
AppleCare

educator's price: $4339.00

4 Apple Cinema HD 30" displays $1599 * 4 = $6396 (educator's price)

jasonbot said:
Im sure this is one of the biggest single purchases Apple will ever see

I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm..... it was a strange post.

I'm not saying this is not a heck of a set up, but i'm saying this is definitely not the biggest single purchase apple will ever see.
 
Doesn't the ADC membership only cost $99 a year?

Also, I'd call whoever you're getting the RAM from and ask them to give you 10% off of the RAM since you're buying so much of it from them. Might beable to get more (or less) than this being I'm not sure of what the profit margins are on RAM this expensive.
 
Doesn't the ADC membership only cost $99 a year?

Also, I'd call whoever you're getting the RAM from and ask them to give you 10% off of the RAM since you're buying so much of it from them. Might beable to get more (or less) than this being I'm not sure of what the profit margins are on RAM this expensive.

that's student ADC.
 
Doesn't the ADC membership only cost $99 a year?

Also, I'd call whoever you're getting the RAM from and ask them to give you 10% off of the RAM since you're buying so much of it from them. Might beable to get more (or less) than this being I'm not sure of what the profit margins are on RAM this expensive.

You're right to point out that the STUDENT membership for ADC is $99 a year.

I'm not a student; I'm a professor. So I would have to become a Select ADC member, which costs $499.

The price of membership to ADC makes it preferable to just use the educational discount instead.

By the way, I do appreciate the advice. I will definitely call the RAM company when I order, to see if I can get any additional discount.
 
I am suprised at the timing of the purchase. Given such a huge bill, I would imagine you would look at benchmarks as well as the timeline of intel/apple products on pipeline.
 
Two Cheaper machines?

It seems to me that it might actually be possible to get away with more, but cheaper systems and still get away with more processing power.

I mean buying 4GB chips is a lot (and doesn't scale well in price), and the memory busses only have so much bandwidth anyway. I'm guessing you'd bottleneck less in smaller, cheaper systems and use some sort of batch processing to get it done.

Since it seems to be shear mhz and memory that you need.. 3.0ghz *4 cores seems to be 12ghz total. 1.83 (duo core mac minis) ghz x 32 cores would be 58.56ghz. Seems to be far better for about the same cost for the computers. Having a non-realtime application run across Fibre Channel or t-1000 across multiple computers AND cores can't be that much harder than getting them across the cores themselves. This seems to be pretty much the way that Logic Pro or Shake spreads out things.

I'd think you'd get more processing power in buying 16 Mac Minis, and then getting the 30" displays, than spending over 6K USD on just memory modules and then still springing a ton for the single computer, and more video cards, etc..

Since the stuff you do isn't inheriently visual, i can't image that having four 30" displays is really a need vs a want. What are you viewing that amount of desktop on now? If it's just a 21" monitor you're updating from... than I think it's more of a want. You mentioned moving them around in a cockpit like configuration or something, and I just can't understand how this is a scientific/mathematical requirement, more than something that will impress people. If I'm wrong, I'll be impressed to see what math really would require 30" displays for example, vs 24" displays.
 
Your hilarious post had me laughing out loud! I'm sitting here in my office reading and laughing, and people probably are thinking that I'm going loony now. :) Too funny!

...just serves to further enhance the mad scientist rep...

Also, when choosing video cards, think of heat and noise, as well as cost and slots. Might 2 ATIs be cooler than 4 Nvideas? I don;t know, have never had the privilege of having to try them... :)
 
Since the stuff you do isn't inheriently visual, i can't image that having four 30" displays is really a need vs a want. What are you viewing that amount of desktop on now? If it's just a 21" monitor you're updating from... than I think it's more of a want. You mentioned moving them around in a cockpit like configuration or something, and I just can't understand how this is a scientific/mathematical requirement, more than something that will impress people. If I'm wrong, I'll be impressed to see what math really would require 30" displays for example, vs 24" displays.

Me thinks something is fishy. I still don't appreciate the justification for such large amounts of RAM. I'd be interested to see how you determined or calculated that you needed 32GB of RAM. For example, in my own research I frequently need to perform operations on 1-2GB arrays which sometimes requires replication of the arrays in memory to perform the operation. I concluded that I needed 4-6GB of RAM and this is how much I purchased. I also left slots open (knowing prices will drop) so that I can scale as future need arises, but at a lower total cost.

Also, I don't understand the need for 4x 30" screens. I'm not even sure this is usable and it certainly costs a lot. Given all your other humble considerations why in the world are you thinking about 4x 30" displays? That combined with the consideration of one 60" display (which has crap resolution compared to a single 30") makes me suspicious that this system will ever be purchased.

I'm not trying to be a jerk I just don't understand how the machine you've spec'd satisfies your computing *needs*.
 
Me thinks something is fishy. I still don't appreciate the justification for such large amounts of RAM. I'd be interested to see how you determined or calculated that you needed 32GB of RAM. For example, in my own research I frequently need to perform operations on 1-2GB arrays which sometimes requires replication of the arrays in memory to perform the operation. I concluded that I needed 4-6GB of RAM and this is how much I purchased. I also left slots open (knowing prices will drop) so that I can scale as future need arises, but at a lower total cost.

Also, I don't understand the need for 4x 30" screens. I'm not even sure this is usable and it certainly costs a lot. Given all your other humble considerations why in the world are you thinking about 4x 30" displays? That combined with the consideration of one 60" display (which has crap resolution compared to a single 30") makes me suspicious that this system will ever be purchased.

I'm not trying to be a jerk I just don't understand how the machine you've spec'd satisfies your computing *needs*.

I completely understand your disbelief... this is a nice system, hard to believe. Nonetheless, I reassure you that nothing is fishy. I'm no longer thinking about the 60 inch display, once I realized that the pixel resolution is very low (compared to four 30 inch displays). So the 60 inch possibility was put aside. That's why I wrote to this forum.... to get some good feedback about the purchase.

Just like you, I often work on huge data sets, usually several gigabytes, and I have computations that can take hours, days, or weeks, doing pattern matching and similar things. The 32 GB of RAM could probably be purchased as 16 GB of RAM for now, but then I would be filling my slots with smaller pieces of RAM, only to (perhaps) want to have more RAM down the road. The prices, as I discussed above, are even coming down on the 4 GB sticks, although they are still expensive, as you indicated.

The benefit of having four 30 inch displays is that I can display a lot of data sets at once. I can have a large computation and the relevant output in Maple, I can be typing my LaTeX in emacs and also see the pdf output without having to toggle the screens constantly, and I can some other files I am referencing, all at once.

For comparison, imagine spreading out one's papers and computations and calculators and things like this on a wide desk, so that everything can be viewed at once. This is similar, but on monitors. It is somewhat common at the university. The slow graphics cards are OK, because I don't do anything graphics intensive. I already have two large displays on my desk that I use everyday on my G5, but the display real estate is simply too small. I'm ready for something bigger.

I know it might be hard to believe, but I hope that I'm painting an accurate and helpful picture here. Please try not to be cynical about such a large purchase.... this happens in university research departments all the time.
 
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