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Oculus Rift Won't Support Mac Until Apple Releases a 'Good Computer'
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those consoles.... yikes i don't know. AMD jaguar is just a horrible cpu, and those gpu's are subpar. I don't own one yet, but from youtube vids I've seen the iMac 5k, and iMac with the 680mx, have zero problem outperforming those weak offerings. The cpu difference is staggering even with throttling. Just checked and the iMac indeed puts up higher fps on high than consoles can. Sucks people can't get over the 399 price point for whatever reason, but spend 2k in games for the freaking things. I quit gaming for a year and don't really miss it. Too many frustrating aspects. I would like to play tomb raider, but not doing it until the entire game is out. I recall idiots on gaming forums saying 'Vote with your wallet' about DLC, well I did no one else did and we get seasons passes. awesome...
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It also doesn't help that most Mac models (especially if you get a BTO with the high end CPU choice) throttle CPU speeds inside of 15 minutes of 100% CPU usage. Macs just aren't designed for sustained loads. They're designed to quietly sip power, which is fine for most non-gaming use. If Apple wants to be a VR player, presumably they're going to offer another option. Short of that, all they can do is find some way to make simplified VR scenes somehow more palatable.
The challenge: plug in a USB device in the dark. Good luck even if you do find the plug it will be upside down.
BAHAHAHA! So true! Apple's been releasing HOT GARBAGE for computers for some time now and yet NOBODY in the Apple community has realized it. I wonder why?!
Gaming on Mac sucks because;
But it doesn't even seem like Apple users even care as most of them seem to have just given up on gaming and grown accustomed to crappy games on their iPads... because hey, let's be realistic, Tim Cook and all the other Apple execs douchebags don't give two craps worth about actual performance on desktop macs, their more concerned about... god knows what.
Gaming on Mac sucks because;
- Apple puts garbage mobile GPUs in it's desktops. WHAT A JOKE.
- Apple doesn't care to make a solid desktop, the iMac has awful cooling, so bad that the CPU has to DOWN THROTTLE just to keep itself from overheating.
- The Mac Pro, the only legit gaming Mac for sale, doesn't have any WORLD STANDARD PCIe slots. Not only does this alienate gamers, but also graphics professionals.
- Even if Apple did implement proper GPUs, they'd be bogged down by old OpenGL drivers.
But it doesn't even seem like Apple users even care as most of them seem to have just given up on gaming and grown accustomed to crappy games on their iPads... because hey, let's be realistic, Tim Cook and all the other Apple execs douchebags don't give two craps worth about actual performance on desktop macs, their more concerned about... god knows what.
The solutions around today aren't good enough, there simply isn't the bandwidth. Thunderbolt 3 (?) will solve this problem.
Also, at the moment, attaching external GPU to a Mac isn't cheap... it will run you several hundred dollars, and then on top the GPU.
It is fantastic. Unfortunately the game itself gets a bit boring after a while - at least it did for me. The experience of flying around and the virtual cockpit etc are second to none though - so well done. I tried going back to it a couple of weeks ago to try out the planetside landings but performance was just unacceptable - even with a 980 and I couldn't be bothered to tweak the settings.
That's one of the reasons Oculus are setting a 'minimum' requirement - for games to be listed in their store, they'll have to run just fine at those settings and you shouldn't have to play around with settings to get it to work. Tweaking graphics settings to get good performance is frustrating at the best of times but with a headset on, it becomes not only frustrating but highly time-consuming and nauseating at the same time!
I don't know, I think they are completely right in setting a relatively high minimum requirement. Sure, you can make a slimline demo that can run on almost everything but I never came across an actual full game or even an experience that lasted more than a few minutes (outside of a virtual cinema) that could run acceptably on my old card. Just to be clear, even with a 980, or 980 Ti, you often can't run current VR games on the DK2 (lower specs than CV1) at max graphics settings. That's with the best cards out there.
Of course, with PCs you can just get the minimum graphics card you need to do the job and throw it into your computer whereas macs are stuck. The fact the best graphics card in a mac available right now is basically a 960 though is seriously embarrassing and the number of people that actually *have* that spec are in the minority. Almost all mac users will be using graphics cards that are much, much weaker than that. If they have to lower the bar that much, it leaves little leeway for developers to make cool stuff and the market is so small, it's not worth keeping developer software up to date right now.
Uh, NO. Apple has ALWAYS shipped junk for GPUs in their macs, even when Jobs was still around.
That was his point.
Well smart tvs aren't dead and curved I think is too soon to tell, that why I wasn't getting it..
I think curved OLEDs could have a place once or if the price drop.
People wanting Apple to chase Windows-based specs are missing the point.
Apple is transitioning to better hardware and software, using its own silicon and putting even more space between it and the old-fashioned amateur pc market, dominated by Windows.
You really think Apple cares about Occulus Rift?
You want to guess how many Skylake chips Apple has ordered from Intel?
How about none?
Apple is building a tech future way beyond anything Microsoft, Intel, Occulus Rift, etc have to offer.
Apple is transitioning to better hardware and software, using its own silicon and putting even more space between it and the old-fashioned amateur pc market, dominated by Windows.
You really think Apple cares about Occulus Rift?
You want to guess how many Skylake chips Apple has ordered from Intel?
How about none?
Apple is building a tech future way beyond anything Microsoft, Intel, Occulus Rift, etc have to offer.
I have the game, and enjoy it - I'm a 1984er! I play it off and on - not constantly. Disappointed that 2.1 has been pushed back. My Macbook Pro, despite being below GPU requirements can just about do Horizons
- bootcamp, of course. We know why Horizons can't be ported to the Mac natively ( old OpenGL drivers )
They've built the tool. Now it's up to software developers to help turn it into something useful.
When I got my Retina iMac (first gen) I debated heavily about running Boot Camp and gaming on it with the beautiful screen and all or building a dedicated gaming PC. What I found was that I could only play at a decent frame rate if I was gaming at 1080 on the iMac and even then the fan was so loud I was sure that I would burn out my GPU. I do have the 4.0 Ghz i7 and the 295x, but in the end it just wasn't a "good computer" for playing AAA games.
Instead I have a mediocre i5 processor with a GTX 970 with a budget Motherboard and now run everything at ultra settings. I still game at 1080 but for under $1000 I have a machine that kills my $3000 iMac for gaming.
Don't get me wrong, you'll have to pry my riMac from my cold, dead hands to get it away from me, but for now, a separate PC is the only way to go if you want to play demanding games with high quality graphics.
Instead I have a mediocre i5 processor with a GTX 970 with a budget Motherboard and now run everything at ultra settings. I still game at 1080 but for under $1000 I have a machine that kills my $3000 iMac for gaming.
Don't get me wrong, you'll have to pry my riMac from my cold, dead hands to get it away from me, but for now, a separate PC is the only way to go if you want to play demanding games with high quality graphics.
I suspect they will go the same route as Samsung here. I think they will create a device that leverages the iPhone. Or perhaps they will have two versions - one that does and one that is a stand alone - both great differentiated in price (and performance)
Because they aren't going for a one size fits all, console gaming approach where developers make their software fit the limited hardware. They are leaving options open to expand the power driving them to the limit of whatever capable card you can afford. 2 years from now you can probably still use these with a newer card that doesn't even exist yet and reap the benefits of that new hardware without having to buy a whole new computer AND/OR headset.
Whereas going with some SoC in the goggles they would be limited to only what it can do right now, even 2 years from now.
Your kind of thinking is the Apple kind of thinking. Build it once, make sure it runs what is out there now faster than the model it is replacing without a care given to the future beyond the next 6-8 months, and sell it for three years without much change (unless it's something that can just "sub in" cheap).
That dog don't hunt in the gaming world, outside consoles.
There's a ton of compelling content on Steam for the developer releases of the Oculus headset. The final headset ships in a few months and reviews have been consistently positive.
So, they're releasing an affordable and comfortable mainstream VR headset and a developer kit that's lead to an ample amount of content ready at launch. What more should we want to see before they're worthy?
That all depends doesn't it? There is a very small percentage of PC's that can be upgraded to what this fellow wants without buying a new computer. We know from experience.
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