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[impierced]

and let me chime in real quick to say OWA sucks.

folks, Entourage in 2004 is NOT a real exchange client. Outlook 2001 in Classic is still the closest you're going to get.

And when your Exchange administrators decide that NTLMv1 is an unacceptable security risk you'll find that you no longer have a real Exchange client on the Mac at all.

 

[pdgnyc85]

Similar Functionality

The free/busy is good. you can't see more with the PC app either.

Generally we use the Request meeting, Accept meeting functionality. Plus being able to look at department folders/calendars.

I'm not expecting the world (as this is MS) but if I can get the basic functionality I'm fine. Not Great but definately fine.

 

[pdgnyc85]

And when your Exchange administrators decide that NTLMv1 is an unacceptable security risk you'll find that you no longer have a real Exchange client on the Mac at all.

What's the nature of that security risk??

 

[impierced]

What's the nature of that security risk??

Outlook 2001 for Mac (Classic) uses NTLM for it's authentication. NTLM is farily easy to crack and as such many administrators are choosing to disable it.

 

[dudeami]

OK, let me chime in here for a minute regarding the Exchange support in Entourage 2004.

• It's different than the Exchange support (lack thereof) that was introduced in Entrouage 10.1.4.

• Entourage 2004 now uses OWA (Outlook Web Access) to talk to the Exchange server. Can you say web mail via http?

It's a mixed bag if you ask me. First and foremost, it's not a true MAPI client. However, since OWA uses MAPI to communicate to the Exchange server you're getting a client that can talk to your Exchange server that doesn't require IMAP or SMTP.

I've been using it in our large scale Exchange environment for a week now and fine it useful. I would like it to be a little faster, but functionality over speed is the comprimise.

The calendar is still limited to free/busy so you can schedule a meeting against Exchange and make sure all attendes can make it, but you can't lookup someone else's calendar and find where they'll be for the week.

Basically, anything you can do with OWA you can do with a nice GUI wrapper in Entourage 2004. Course your admins have to enable OWA.

Exchange 2000 and Exchange 2003 will not use MAPI for OWA, this was done in Exchange 5.5 OWA server. Exchange 2000 and 2003 front-end servers will communicate using the same protocol that the client is using. For example if you are connecting to OWA using http or https it will connect to the back-end server using http, if you are using a POP3 client to access email through the front-end server it will use POP3 to access the back-end server where your mailbox is located. It will not take your http connection and make MAPI calls to the back-end server.

 

[DaBuzz]

Receipts are a non-standard mail feature that is provided by the SERVER (Exchange, in this case), not the CLIENT (Entourage). Therefore, unless you happen to be using an Exchange server and Entourage 2004 PROPERLY supports Exchange, then no.

Not quite true. A client can attach a return receipt request; then it will depend on the server (Domino, Exchange, sendmail, etc) RECEIVING the message whether it supports SMTP return receipts - some systems do, some don't. Outlook has a Return Receipt feature - whether you get one or not depends, again, on whether the recipient's mail server will support it.

Entourage does have a kludge for return receipts, but it requires you create a duplicate account, and in the Options tab under Headers, put Disposition-Notification-To, and enter the account you want a return receipt to arrive.

 

[aer_mini]

Well, Mail.app does support the mail of Exchange....

Not quite. Mail.app uses IMAP and SMTP to connect to the Exchange server, just like EntouRAGE version X uses. It also works with Exchange 5.5, whereas using the Exchange tab on EntouRAGE's Account settings does not (you have to use IMAP). Entourage is a poor poor choice for use with environments where Exchange servers are. It is exceptionally terrible for Networked Home Folders in a Mac OS X managed client environment because the folks at Mac BU have coded Entourage (and all Officev.X apps) to write to the preference file every second. Since this is happening over the network, you have typing delays when composing messages (even on 1 GHZ eMacs and Powerbooks!!) Mail.app is a much better choice for email in an Exchange environment- it is just a drag that iCal and Address Book isn't integrated into Mail.app a little better. But it is a shame that the Outlook Group at MS won't share the proprietary MAPI engine of the Exchange/Outlook package with the MacBU. I am assuming that is what is happening here. Trust me- Entourage is a headache if you have an Exchange server and it plain sucks if you have Mac OS X Networked Home Folders!!!

 

[Kosjer d]

entourage mail preview and webcore

another question about entourage, i am asking myself for quite a while... will the email preview window be based onto apples webcore??? for the sake of reliabilty and performance... cuz in entourage x the preview sucks and crashes sometimes on html mails .... anybody knows? cheers k:d

 

[Arnold]

 

[Arnold]

Not quite true. A client can attach a return receipt request; then it will depend on the server (Domino, Exchange, sendmail, etc) RECEIVING the message whether it supports SMTP return receipts - some systems do, some don't. Outlook has a Return Receipt feature - whether you get one or not depends, again, on whether the recipient's mail server will support it.

Entourage does have a kludge for return receipts, but it requires you create a duplicate account, and in the Options tab under Headers, put Disposition-Notification-To, and enter the account you want a return receipt to arrive.

I agree with you. You probably haven't seen my earlier reply to wrldwzrd89:

Thank you very much for your answer. However, a nice freeware does exist and generates this feature with Entourage X client (without any obligation of duplicating accounts). It is called "Return Receipt Script". It works fine with Outlook, Outlook Express (Windows), IncrediMail, Netscape (Mac/Windows), Mozilla (Mac/Windows/Linux), Mozilla Thunderbird (Mac/Windows/Linux), and some others.

The only problem is that it works with Entourage and Mail, only if your correspondant also has that script installed.

If anybody is interested, this script is located here:
http://www.weatherradio.info/rrscript

 

[dzurn]

Really?

and let me chime in real quick to say OWA sucks.

folks, Entourage in 2004 is NOT a real exchange client. Outlook 2001 in Classic is still the closest you're going to get.

So after about 5 years, Microsoft's email programs still can't work with Microsoft's email programs. Out-F&*%ing-Standing! ! !

And sometimes the company Exchange Administrators turn off the Mac's authentication stream because the *Macs* are insecure? ROTFLMAppleOff!

 

[RoadKill]

So after about 5 years, Microsoft's email programs still can't work with Microsoft's email programs. Out-F&*%ing-Standing! ! !

And sometimes the company Exchange Administrators turn off the Mac's authentication stream because the *Macs* are insecure? ROTFLMAppleOff!

I am a administrator. I allow entourage or mail to connect to our exchange but I impose mailbox size limits very strictly (due to restoring a dead exchange with lots of very large mailboxes) We also make use of Public Folders. This means that I require Outlook 2001 and classic environment installed so that users can create .pst files in order to archive their mail and post to public folders.

This is a practice I was hoping to stop. Unless this is the case, no upgrade bucks for Bill from my company.

One thing I found out on winblows powerpoint don't know if it happens on macs yet. Link in a movie with sound in stereo to your presentation. When you click it, sound only comes out of one channnel!!!

 

[DaBuzz]

I agree with you. You probably haven't seen my earlier reply to wrldwzrd89:

Thank you very much for your answer. However, a nice freeware does exist and generates this feature with Entourage X client (without any obligation of duplicating accounts). It is called "Return Receipt Script". It works fine with Outlook, Outlook Express (Windows), IncrediMail, Netscape (Mac/Windows), Mozilla (Mac/Windows/Linux), Mozilla Thunderbird (Mac/Windows/Linux), and some others.

The only problem is that it works with Entourage and Mail, only if your correspondant also has that script installed.

If anybody is interested, this script is located here:
http://www.weatherradio.info/rrscript

Yes; I forgot to say that if you put the Disposition-Notification-To, you attach a return receipt request for all mail. You can create a separate account to use only for return receipts.

I couldn't download the script on that page: says can't find URL.

 

[Macnerd1984]

No, it doesn't. It does allow you to import all your folders, sigs and preferences from the Apple Mail client, but not the address book.

Entourage does have a Junk Email feature that is very similiar to the junk email feature found in the Apple Mail program.

Bah! How stupid is that?

I mean, they could allow the option to hook it into the Address book and save their users a load of hassle. Instead we're all locked into what THEY decide we should use as an address book and synching the two is going to be a nightmare (still). Entourage doesn't share it's address book with other apps so it is still isolated. Yet again, more years of having to keep 2 address books current.......

Thanks for the reply anyway.

 

[Arnold]

Yes; I forgot to say that if you put the Disposition-Notification-To, you attach a return receipt request for all mail. You can create a separate account to use only for return receipts.

I couldn't download the script on that page: says can't find URL.

I am sorry, but the link works fine! I just tried...