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Official Merom (Core 2 Duo) Launch on Monday?

First post and waiting

This is my first post. I have been reading on this forum for about a month now, just waiting for the word that I can go purchase a new MBP with a Merom. I am getting along ok right now with out a laptop, but school would definitely be easier with one. Honestly, I am a little disappointed that the updated MBP were not announced today. Apple hasn’t really done anything wrong, I was just excited when I saw all of the announcements on the MR home page. But, really Apple doesn’t have much time left. In just a matter of a couple weeks, Apple’s pro laptop will be behind every other manufactures. I really don’t see this happening; I am just waiting on the inevitable update that Apple has to do in order to stay competitive. I really hope they come out soon. I am waiting for 64 bit support and also a longer battery life. The battery life is important to me because I may be stuck on a bus traveling across town for a considerable time on a regular basis, so I need it to work on the bus and when I get to where I am going. I know a case design may not be as likely as we all hope, but I really would like one. Apple, bring on my new MBP. Please.

Also, this is off topic, but I will be new to Mac. I remember seeing a web site a while back that had lots of useful tips on it and it showed how to create all sorts of stuff for OS X. I know I am not very clear in my description, but I think it showed how to write commands to make common tasks easier. Not sure, but it seemed like a great site and now I can’t find it again. Does anyone have an ideas?
 
Andrew F said:
But, really Apple doesn’t have much time left. In just a matter of a couple weeks, Apple’s pro laptop will be behind every other manufactures.
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Apple will announce merom MBP's in the next couple weeks. And endless posts begging for it aren't going to make it happen any faster.
 
fastlane1588 said:
I agree. Doesnt apple have more than one media confrence thing comming up on the 12th 14th or 19th? everyone thought the conference was for the imac...what if its for the mbp???
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Keep in mind there was little fanfare (none really) with the release of the 24" iMac, and I think a new product like that would get something more than a simple announcement on the apple site. When we see MBP with C2D, I'm sure it will be much the same as happened here today with the new iMac. We'll go to the site in the next couple of weeks and BAM! There are our C2D MBP's ready for our pocketbooks.

At this point, even a new case design won't warrant a special announcement for the MBP. It'll just happen, and then we'll all be happy. :)
 
milo said:
Apple will announce merom MBP's in the next couple weeks. And endless posts begging for it aren't going to make it happen any faster.
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I don't think he was begging, and his post was quite calm and intelligently spoken. Now I have certainly been guilty of begging for merom MBP since I've been on here, but I don't think Andrew F was. :)
 
milo said:
Apple will announce merom MBP's in the next couple weeks. And endless posts begging for it aren't going to make it happen any faster.
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I know they will be released in a couple of weeks. I was making the point that they had to be released soon. That is unless Apple doesn't want to be competitive, which every one knows won't happen.

S i said:
http://macosxhints.com perhaps?

I'm waiting too, for a merom MBP with all the trimmings. There's no way I'll buy until MBP is updated, even if Apple begged for my money ;)
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That wasn't the exact one I was looking for, but it sure is helpful. I had not found that one yet. I am really looking for all the help, hints, and tips I can get while switching to a new os. Thanks for the link!
 
anim8or said:
Here is how i see it;

Mac Mini, MacBook White - Consumer models - Core Duo til late this year or early next

iMac, MacBook Black - Bridge between consumer and pro - Core 2 Duo (Possibly not in the BlackBook but perhaps as an option?)

Mac Pro, MacBook Pro - Pro Models - Core 2 Duo


Just my opinion... ...what does everyone else think?
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The only real reason to stick with Yonah over Merom is availability, so when various systems are upgraded is likely down to how many units Intel can deliver.
 
Andrew F said:
I know they will be released in a couple of weeks. I was making the point that they had to be released soon. That is unless Apple doesn't want to be competitive, which every one knows won't happen.
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They will be released soon.

ergle2 said:
The only real reason to stick with Yonah over Merom is availability, so when various systems are upgraded is likely down to how many units Intel can deliver.
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Don't forget about price. Apple and intel negociate their price, so apple is likely paying less for yonah.
 
milo said:
Don't forget about price. Apple and intel negociate their price, so apple is likely paying less for yonah.
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Actually, from what I've read, they don't -- apparently, Intel offers the same pricing to all Tier-1 vendors. It could be this is policy due to the law-suits connected to Dell and the discount/threat situation that meant Dell was until recently 100% Intel. Rather ironic they're finally starting to offer AMD now that AMD has lost the performance crown, but perhaps there's more profit in it for Dell...

Given Intel's equivalent pricing on price-per-1000, I have doubts they'll differentiate between the two on prices to OEMs -- Intel is consolidating their entire lineup around Core 2. So, while Core 2 is in short supply, Intel gains nothing by cutting Yonah pricing, and once Core 2 isn't in short supply they plan to stop production on Core anyway. From that point of view, it makes sense for them to discourage use of Core 2.

All that leaves is the new netburst Xeons, and they're the last of their kind to a very high margin market and a market that expects roadmaps to be adhered to. Force people to buy new mobos for upgrades and they might just consider the Opteron. But I digress, that's not terribly relevent to the Mac market.
 
The updated imacs today makes it more possilbe for the c2d macbooks next week. I know this is a long shot, but I'm really hoping it comes during Paris, or the Showtime event.
 
Nuks said:
The updated imacs today makes it more possilbe for the c2d macbooks next week. I know this is a long shot, but I'm really hoping it comes during Paris, or the Showtime event.
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I can't see Apple upgrading the MacBook before the MBP, and the limited supply of Merom chips suggests that they're unlikely to do both together.

Of course, I don't think the new iMacs were expected to appear today, either, so... :)
 
Nuks said:
The updated imacs today makes it more possilbe for the c2d macbooks next week. I know this is a long shot, but I'm really hoping it comes during Paris, or the Showtime event.
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ergle2 said:
I can't see Apple upgrading the MacBook before the MBP, and the limited supply of Merom chips suggests that they're unlikely to do both together.

Of course, I don't think the new iMacs were expected to appear today, either, so... :)
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The release of the 24" iMac today is definitely part of the new "showtime" movie service that apple's going to roll out at the conference on the 12th. It makes perfect sense from that standpoint to release the new big screen iMac so that customers can just use it to easily watch movies in HD (or not, we'll see) right there on their brand new 24" iMac. We won't see MBP's or MB's with C2D until after that event I'm guessing. Perhaps that week or the following. Macbook meroms might come slightly later.
 
Ok, I have to admit im sort of tired of people trying to prove how apple is losing business and making such a supposedly HUGE mistake just because they have yet to announce a C2D notebook. I think if any intelligent person thinks about it rationally, theyd be able to see that this is simply not true. Im not talking about 90% of you who simply wish and even beg for a new MBP w/ C2D to come out. Frankly I'm among such a group. I sincerely wish apple would at least announce a future release even if they arent shipping any time soon.
I am talking about those people though, who think they are more intelligent then not only steve jobs but the entire apple board/team of people who come up with these release dates...THEIR JOBS are to plan these things so that based on the availibility of supplies (which we have almost no hard data on) and profitability, they can release products and juice every penny from us...i mean come on...this is big corporate business we're talking about.
On top of that, the vast majority of people who are waiting to buy a merom computer, even those who are still on the fence between an apple and PC, should know the specs on merom. And if the 5%-17% improvement is going to appeal to them over EVERYTHING ELSE apple brings to the table just because of a couple more weeks wait then i would claim those are very ill informed and poor-judging buyers...
So...there are still people who NEED a computer and prefer the newest and greatest over what apple has to offer right now, i admit theyre out there...BUT in the past few weeks, I guarentee you apple has sold more Yonah based MBP's then people who they supposedly lost to Dell and Acer, etc.. and why does that matter? because Apple is now making even more fatty profit on those systems then before. If they announce now, its more likely that your regular old joe shmoe is going to wait to buy, so they lose all that potential business on lower profit machines and can't empty out old inventory, and that is WAY MORE IMPORTANT to apple i think.
i mean come on, as much as i wish they released sooner rather then later and am dying to own my first ever mac, im not going to try and justify it with claims that make apple look stupid. if they were that stupid and were really losing all that business how would they be so successful right now? and why would people like us all be lined up to buy theyre stupid equipment? Sure they make us wait, but as we saw today, we're rewarded for our patience with things like a 24 iMac instead of a 23. I just cant wait to see how they reward the MBP faithful!
 
ergle2 said:
I can't see Apple upgrading the MacBook before the MBP, and the limited supply of Merom chips suggests that they're unlikely to do both together.
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From a production standpoint it might make more sense to update them together, but they really don't have a choice but to at least update the MBP very soon. Intel updates more often than Apple may be used to, but that is the business; and if Apple wants to be taken seriously and remain professional they need to at least be on the same page as the competition, if not ahead. That means updating the MBP and shipping with the other manufactures. I am not real familiar with Mac history, but from what I can see Apple opened up a can of worms with the Intel switch and will have to get used to constantly updating hardware. I personally believe it is only a week or two away before we see C2D MBP. Apple is doing way to good to do something stupid like let their pro model notebook fall behind others.
 
Andrew F said:
From a production standpoint it might make more sense to update them together
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They're made by two completely different companies. Quanta and Asustek for the MBP and MacBook respectively, I believe... I read somewhere they wanted a second source for the MB due to the demand, I think.

Andrew F said:
but they really don't have a choice but to at least update the MBP very soon. Intel updates more often than Apple may be used to, but that is the business; and if Apple wants to be taken seriously and remain professional they need to at least be on the same page as the competition, if not ahead. That means updating the MBP and shipping with the other manufactures. I am not real familiar with Mac history, but from what I can see Apple opened up a can of worms with the Intel switch and will have to get used to constantly updating hardware. I personally believe it is only a week or two away before we see C2D MBP. Apple is doing way to good to do something stupid like let their pro model notebook fall behind others.
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From what I recall - and I'm not one of the hardcore Mac-heads - Apple has in the past not had the same aggressive upgrade cycles that the PC the world has had for the last decade or so.

Whether or not they're in competition now appears to be a matter of opinion; the "faithful" for whom other than OS X will not do insist there is no competition, whereas the more pragmatic (or agnostic?) see Apple as in being in the same game as Dell, HP/Compaq, etc., and thus needing to "keep up".

As I see it, Apple already has the OS X true faithful. If they're happy with that, they can relax... but I don't think they are happy, they want to increase market share -- and that means direct competition. For that market, the change of OS might even be seen as a slight disadvantage, so lesser hardware at the prices Apple chargers certainly isn't going to fly. All IMO, of course :)
 
HecubusPro said:
The release of the 24" iMac today is definitely part of the new "showtime" movie service that apple's going to roll out at the conference on the 12th. It makes perfect sense from that standpoint to release the new big screen iMac so that customers can just use it to easily watch movies in HD (or not, we'll see) right there on their brand new 24" iMac. We won't see MBP's or MB's with C2D until after that event I'm guessing. Perhaps that week or the following. Macbook meroms might come slightly later.
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Indeed. I thought it'd be rolled out next Tuesday tho'. :)
 
milo said:
Apple will announce merom MBP's in the next couple weeks.
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People have been saying this exact thing since the begining of August. This line will soon take the place of "G5 PowerBooks next Tuesday."
 
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Correct me if i'm wrong folks, don't apple usually keep their new product on the front page of apple.com for at least a week, the new imacs keep their lime light until the 12th it seems, (surly they won't squeeze the MBP C2D before the 12th) then it'll probably change to 'itunes does movies too' or something. Where does the MBP C2D fit in?
 
ChickenSwartz said:
People have been saying this exact thing since the begining of August. This line will soon take the place of "G5 PowerBooks next Tuesday."
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Yes. But now Merom is OUT and available to Apple as seen by the quick ship times of the new iMacs.
 
blackmint said:
Correct me if i'm wrong folks, don't apple usually keep their new product on the front page of apple.com for at least a week, the new imacs keep their lime light until the 12th it seems, (surly they won't squeeze the MBP C2D before the 12th) then it'll probably change to 'itunes does movies too' or something. Where does the MBP C2D fit in?
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The MBP is going to be where the mac mini is now (bottom portion of main page) and the new movie store will be the main picture. Its just going to be a quiet update for the MBP just like it was for the mini. It'll be released on or before the 12th.
 
No later than next Tuesday

HecubusPro said:
TWe won't see MBP's or MB's with C2D until after that event I'm guessing. Perhaps that week or the following. Macbook meroms might come slightly later.
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I beg to differ. Sure there are many of us waiting, but even more of your novice buyers will ask why the iMac has C2D, and the MBP doesn't. Sales, while I'm sure still occuring, I'd be are slowing down. And slowing sales is not good for quarterly results. I think the latest possible day for MBP release is next Tuesday.
 
lessthandmb said:
The MBP is going to be where the mac mini is now (bottom portion of main page) and the new movie store will be the main picture. Its just going to be a quiet update for the MBP just like it was for the mini. It'll be released on or before the 12th.
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I think so too -- the fanfare about the iMac is really about the 24" "HD" version rather than the Core 2 Duo upgrade. It just made sense to do both at the same time.
 
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