Ohmac - Strictly for customers

[MojoWill]

Im just waiting for the IMEIs to be blocked in the UK. As soon as you register on a network your CTN and IMEI is registered onto the network computers which can be cross referenced against handset model. All it takes is O2 to runa script to find all iPhone IMEIs on their network NOT on a legit iPhone contract and they are legally well within their right to block the handset completely.

I have tried to keep out of this playground attacks but personally I think they are all stolen hence the delay and the lack of numbers delivered! He obviously thought they would be a lot easier to get hold of! it takes phone companies at least 3-4 weeks before they realise stock is missing from warehouses and block the IMEIs.

Good Luck guys, really I mean it, cos a charge for Handling Stolen goods doesnt look to good on your CV

 

[billy440]

haha

Im just waiting for the IMEIs to be blocked in the UK. As soon as you register on a network your CTN and IMEI is registered onto the network computers which can be cross referenced against handset model. All it takes is O2 to runa script to find all iPhone IMEIs on their network NOT on a legit iPhone contract and they are legally well within their right to block the handset completely.

I have tried to keep out of this playground attacks but personally I think they are all stolen hence the delay and the lack of numbers delivered! He obviously thought they would be a lot easier to get hold of! it takes phone companies at least 3-4 weeks before they realise stock is missing from warehouses and block the IMEIs.

Good Luck guys, really I mean it, cos a charge for Handling Stolen goods doesnt look to good on your CV

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your stupid....
i went in the apple store the other day aand spoke to a mate who works in there and he sed they wouldnt be stolen because stolen iphones are blocked automaticly, and ive also rang apple tech support and given them the serial number for mine and they sed nuttin.....
my mate sed somebody somewhere has signed for the contract so they dont care cos they are gettin money

 

[bluenoise]

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your stupid....

His stupid what?

 

[billy440]

His stupid what?

are u tryin to get me in trouble, i ment his comment is stupid ol, jelousy cos he didnt get his one when he could have

 

[zeasar]

Im just waiting for the IMEIs to be blocked in the UK. As soon as you register on a network your CTN and IMEI is registered onto the network computers which can be cross referenced against handset model. All it takes is O2 to runa script to find all iPhone IMEIs on their network NOT on a legit iPhone contract and they are legally well within their right to block the handset completely.

I have tried to keep out of this playground attacks but personally I think they are all stolen hence the delay and the lack of numbers delivered! He obviously thought they would be a lot easier to get hold of! it takes phone companies at least 3-4 weeks before they realise stock is missing from warehouses and block the IMEIs.

Good Luck guys, really I mean it, cos a charge for Handling Stolen goods doesnt look to good on your CV

Since the poster above said it wrong, here it is again

You Sir, are stupid.

Why would ohmac specifically state that it can ONLY be used with O2? So O2 would block their phones and then all hell breaks loose on forums with people's whine and cheese.
And an easier way to avoid O2 blockage is to use it on another network, which is achievable by hardware.

Please come back with more proof on hand before spreading your baseless accusation.

 

[bluenoise]

are u tryin to get me in trouble, i ment his comment is stupid ol, jelousy cos he didnt get his one when he could have

No, I was just giving you a hard time for using "your" instead of "you're."

 

[bigscotal]

Interestingly, they are showing black 16GB handsets in stock :

http://www.ohmac.co.uk/catalogue/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=39

Now at £475!

 

[Nicholas.C]

Interestingly, they are showing black 16GB handsets in stock :

http://www.ohmac.co.uk/catalogue/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=39

Now at £475!

I'm not ordering anymore.

 

[sparkyms]

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your stupid....
i went in the apple store the other day aand spoke to a mate who works in there and he sed they wouldnt be stolen because stolen iphones are blocked automaticly, and ive also rang apple tech support and given them the serial number for mine and they sed nuttin.....
my mate sed somebody somewhere has signed for the contract so they dont care cos they are gettin money

1 (a). You're stupid.
1 (b). When you went to the store it's possible it hadn't been reported yet.
2. It probably will be blocked automatically when it is.
3. Same story for Tech Support
4. Your mate sounds like a "top geeza", can I have his number because I need some advice on law, he sounds like a knowledgeable fellow and I think he can help me out of a tight spot I've got myself into.

 

[a456]

Interestingly, they are showing black 16GB handsets in stock :

http://www.ohmac.co.uk/catalogue/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=39

Now at £475!

Don't worry the 8 GB is only £425.00

But out of stock again on all phones - so someone seems to be happy with the price.

For those wishing to use an iPhone only for data with a Web bolt on it is still a bit cheaper - but you are paying all that money upfront and for the extra £30 or so you'd be spacing the payments and get the call minutes, etc.

Even though I'm pretty convinced Ohmac is now supplying - for convenience and peace of mind I would walk into the Apple, O2 or Carphonewarehouse stores and buy one off the shelf - particularly at this price.

 

[senorFunkyPants]

Im just waiting for the IMEIs to be blocked in the UK. As soon as you register on a network your CTN and IMEI is registered onto the network computers which can be cross referenced against handset model. All it takes is O2 to runa script to find all iPhone IMEIs on their network NOT on a legit iPhone contract and they are legally well within their right to block the handset completely.

O2 are indeed allowed to add the IMEI numbers of stolen iphones to the UKs master list of blocked IMEI numbers. However they would not be "legally" allowed to add IMEI numbers simply on the basis that that are not on a legit iphone contract.

Good Luck guys, really I mean it, cos a charge for Handling Stolen goods doesnt look to good on your CV

Neither could a person be convicted of handling stolen goods unless it can be proved he believed them to be stolen goods...Buying goods online would be more than sufficient proof against any such charges.

 

[CD3660]

Neither could a person be convicted of handling stolen goods unless it can be proved he believed them to be stolen goods.

Sorry, I'm not trying to split hairs, but rather to be totally accurate. The required Mens Rea (Criminal Intent) for the offence of Handling Stolen Goods in the U.K. is knowledge or belief that the goods are stolen (Section 22 of the Theft Act 1968).

Buying goods online would be more than sufficient proof against any such charges.

Buying a product online does not provide an automatic or statutory defence to a charge of Handling Stolen Goods, but clearly puts the purchaser in a better position than, say, buying electrical goods in a pub from a total stranger.

 

[billy440]

oh my!

how can oh mac start charging 425 quid for a phone!
i like that some of us only paid 165 quid lol, just shows how much profit phil is trying to make out of the phones! and they are out of stock, i would give advice that people just wait for payg iphones, probably cheaper, and may have a better idea on unlocking them by then

425 quid for a phone..... some people have more money than sense.

im glad i ordered mine in june, im lovin the phone tho, very good despite the very ***** battery life and sometimes weak signal

 

[CD3660]

How can oh mac start charging 425 quid for a phone!
i like that some of us only paid 165 quid lol, just shows how much profit phil is trying to make out of the phones!

I suspect that it actually demonstrates how much money he is likely to have lost fulfilling the few orders that he did at a significant loss so as not to lose all commercial credibility, and why he was falling over himself offering refunds.

It was a long time ago, but I think it was Rigsby (or was it bigscotal?) who had the right take on the Ohmac saga. His view, with which I am now inclined to agree, was that Ohmac was a genuine firm which made a big mistake on the pricing of the iPhone perhaps not appreciating at the time that the new cheap price was dependent on signing an 18 month contract, unlike the situation with the original iPhone where the purchaser could just buy the iPhone at the set price and then leave the store on trust that he would later sign up with O2 via iTunes.

Hence no more cheap iPhones from Ohmac!

I also think that Ohmac under-estimated how long it would be until a software unlock would be available for the iPhone 3G.

 

[Phil A.]

I suspect that it actually demonstrates how much money he is likely to have lost fulfilling the few orders that he did at a significant loss so as not to lose all commercial credibility, and why he was falling over himself offering refunds.

It was a long time ago, but I think it was Rigsby (or was it bigscotal?) who had the right take on the Ohmac saga. His view, with which I am now inclined to agree, was that Ohmac was a genuine firm which made a big mistake on the pricing of the iPhone perhaps not appreciating at the time that the new cheap price was dependent on signing an 18 month contract, unlike the situation with the original iPhone where the purchaser could just buy the iPhone at the set price and then leave the store on trust that he would later sign up with O2 via iTunes.

Hence no more cheap iPhones from Ohmac!

I also think that Ohmac under-estimated how long it would be until a software unlock would be available for the iPhone 3G.

ahem

You replied at the time At first sight that's not a bad theory, but he/they would have to be very naive and uninformed to have formulated such a plan.

I think we have our answer now, and he really was that naive and uninformed

 

[Rigsby]

That was certainly my opinion, though I'm not sure I was the first to suggest it.

One comment I would make about the new pricing is that it seems much more in line with the costs of pre-pay versions elsewhere. It would be interesting to know what plugs they come with!

 

[CD3660]

ahem

You replied at the time At first sight that's not a bad theory, but he/they would have to be very naive and uninformed to have formulated such a plan.

I think we have our answer now, and he really was that naive and uninformed

Yes Phil, it was you who came up with what appears to have been the correct interpretation of the situation so long ago. I'm sorry for not remembering accurately.

At the time I just couldn't believe that Phil, who ran his own business, had a knowledge of Apple products, and a Masters Degree to boot, could be as naive as your theory required!

 

[zeasar]

I dont believe he has actually made a lost by selling them at £165, he may have just break even with that price, otherwise he would just refund everyone and have the buyers re-pay the later £319 price point.

I think he just wanted to make more money (as all businesses do) now with the price set at £425. Plus he may not want to upset apple/supplier/O2 by setting a lower price point, hence his other apple products are set at apple's selling price points.

What makes me worry is that those new price points he set may reflect O2's future PAYG price points... it doesnt look good.

 

[sparkyms]

It may be interesting to note that I bought a new (unsubsidized) iPhone the other day from the apple store, because (stupidly) I broke the screen by making my iPhone say hello to some concrete (complete accident - you should have seen my face!)...

Anyway that replacement cost me a total of... £139.00 for just the phone. No accessories. So that might be an interesting tidbit for anyone thinking of going the OhMac route, might just want to hold out for o2 PAYG, because you KNOW it's legal, and its probably going to be in the region of £199.

There is no way that OhMac could make a profit on those phones had they been sourced legitimately. The termination fee for O2 is £219 or the remainder of the line rental, which-ever is higher/lower (cant remember). Either way 219+99 = a whole lot more than he was originally charging. So if he was selling legitimate iPhones that he took out several contracts with, the dude is SERIOUSLY out of pocket.


Note: I believe those "if"s to be very very big "IF"s.. I don't have a scooby doo as to where he got the phones from.

 

[CD3660]

....Anyway that replacement cost me a total of... £139.00 for just the phone. No accessories.

That' s interesting. Presumably you had to leave the damaged iPhone with Apple to get that price? Even so, that's a pretty reasonable replacement cost for anyone unfortunate enough to damage their iPhone.

 

[sparkyms]

That' s interesting. Presumably you had to leave the damaged iPhone with Apple to get that price? Even so, that's a pretty reasonable replacement cost for anyone unfortunate enough to damage their iPhone.

Yeah, I left the phone with them so I presume they would consider that a "discount" as I'm sure they would fix the glass and refurb it up..

I was expecting the replacement to be well in the region of £200 though, so I was pleasently suprised.

 

[billy440]

1 (a). You're stupid.
1 (b). When you went to the store it's possible it hadn't been reported yet.
2. It probably will be blocked automatically when it is.
3. Same story for Tech Support
4. Your mate sounds like a "top geeza", can I have his number because I need some advice on law, he sounds like a knowledgeable fellow and I think he can help me out of a tight spot I've got myself into.

Jelous Much..... Thought So

 

[alexharman]

Hey Guys Really Need Help, I Am Pretty Dumb. Do You Have To Charge It The First Time You Get It? If So, How Long? And Does It Need To Be Turned On When You Charge?

 

[jakub]

Hello,

I promised everyone I would update on my situation so here we go.

I stood pat and didn't try to contact Phil until mid August. When I did finally call him I found out that the reason my order was delayed was due to me using my work address which is unverified through Paypal and he was refusing to send to the unverified address (which is fair enough).

Well we went back and forth a few times on this and left it at: He will contact the "person who handles this" and will ask them if he refunds me via Paypal can I reorder at the original £239 price and if not then he would refund me and we would be done with it.

Then, about an hour later, out of the blue, I get an invoice and tracking number sent to my email! I think Phil is just very wary of getting burned via Paypal, which I understand and is probably why he wont accept any further orders through it. But it looks like his other contact realized that:

1. They have been holding my money since June.
2. I offered to send him a pound via paypal using my confirmed postal address from the same paypal account and have him send it there instead.
3. I sent him a photo of my passport to confirm identity (I did blank out DOB and serial number which caused Phil to not accept it but the other contact seemed to understand the risk of identity theft involved.
4. I offered to do a bank transfer if I could get it at the same price.
5. If I did try to cheat Phil I would not be able to because Paypal only allows payments to be disputed up to 45 days after the order has been placed.

I don't know what exactly happened behind the scenes as when I left things with Phil I was almost certain that this was the end of the line and I would just be getting a refund but now I have a Black 16 GB Serial ***32****** that will be sent via Next Day Special Delivery to my work tomorrow!

So this should be the end of my saga, provided that the phone is free from any major defects (fingers crossed). I already took a 3g out on contract with O2 so that is why I was able to remain so patient with this one. I will update again when I receive it and will be happy to post pictures on request. Oh and since this appears to be a point of contention with some people, my order date was 18 June 2008 and my Invoice is dated 18 July 2008.

Regards,

Jakub

 

[billy440]

charging

Hey Guys Really Need Help, I Am Pretty Dumb. Do You Have To Charge It The First Time You Get It? If So, How Long? And Does It Need To Be Turned On When You Charge?

when i got my iphone i used the charge that was on it, then when i got the 10% message i charged it up overnight (to get a full charge).... then do not charge the iphone again untill the battery is completly dead and u cannot turn on the iphone.... (to do this i waited for the 10% message and then left the ipod playing to itself with the volume down untill eventually the iphone went off.... then charge overnight and after that just charge it whenever u feel the need to...

tbh i dont think the iphone battery is as good as they claim, mine can last 2 days at the most, but then again i dont stop playing around with it!

anyway... good luck dude