Watch who you're calling a fool. 😉
And listen, you're talking like every artist is like some little outfit with a couple of guitars and a van that doesn't need to travel more than 100 miles. Do you think the Berlin Philharmonic, the Polyphonic Spree, Kraftwerk, The Cinematic Orchestra... and virtually any mid-weight act or band doesn't need these things? Then you're the one who is sounding foolish...
Since someone mentioned the Arctic Monkeys, here's the above the line credits for their last album. This ignores the other people that go up to making a studio work and all those involved in transport, marketing, distribution, promotion etc
George Marino Mastering
Alan Moulder Mixing
Juno Art Direction, Photography, Illustrations, Design
Matthew Cooper Layout Design
Mike Crossey Producer, Mixing
James Ford Guitar, Producer, Mixing
Joseph Bramhall Illustrations
Al Heighton Illustrations
Miles Kane Guitar
Ian McAndrew Management
Drew Millward Illustrations
Anne Marie Moore Illustrations
Geoff Barradale Management
That's 13 people plus band members plus roadies, drivers, a whole host of people setting up equipment... this is an indie and 'small' band. All of you who say they support an artist by seeing their shows, you'd see sweet eff all without a small army of support staff. And all of them need to be paid...
How did artists ever make a cd without 5 people drawing stuff, 3 people mixing, and management?
🙄 It's like the bands never started out in garages / basements and jumped to studio right after deciding on a name?!
If we saw as much boo-hooing about hundreds of decent music retailers closing down as much as the moaning about a site that actively supports copyright infringement and breaking the law, then I'd have some empathy with your argument, such as it is.
If i was old enough to know what was going on in the 90's, i'd have been right up there making the same fuss i am now. Pardon me for being 7 or 8 when bestbuy/walmart was getting big.
The industry that has bought millions of fantastic albums to the world over the past century and into this one? Where is this mythical undiscovered talent being held back by the music industry?
I never said they're being held back by the industry. Just that they're not getting paid enough or that the labels are taking advantage of them. And that as someone in the US, i rarely hear reviews of EU bands so i'm forced to download it if i want to hear new kinds of music without paying $40+ per cd that i dont know if i like or not.
The fracking point is that it is the artist's (the copyright holders') right to post previews, free tracks, or streaming audio, and their right alone to make that decision as to what how and where their property gets posted or copied.
To argue that stealing someone's work -- downloading it without the copyright holder's consent -- is legitimate because you then spent some money on a show or on a CD, is just a lame excuse for wanting something for nothing.
Something for nothing - that IS the bottom line. The whole bunch of you who make all of those convoluted rationalizations just so you can enjoy listing to someone's music without paying for it - you make me ill.
Erm.. If an artist ever came out and said "Dont download my music," then i wouldnt. I dont download metallica - mostly because they're a crappy band - but also because they dont want their music downloaded.
If i download something, how's it different then streaming it and recording with Audacity? I can do it just as easily. Or recording it off the radio. And if you like a cd, buy it. No one ever said "pirate only!!11" except for the people that are against piracy.
The bottom line is that there are people out there who refuse to pay for anything - let alone music. And then there are people who cant afford to buy every damn cd that comes out just to see if they like it or not and instead download and buy the ones they know they like. And we cant forget the people that dotn seem to understand this and instead blindly believe the media when they say "Billions in sales lost!!!!!!!!!!"
If you claim to be an audiophile, with a half decent stereo system, you would know that you can't record an audiophile quality album in anything less the best studios. Hell, my $3k Mac with a $10k ProTools system won't even get me close to producing an amazing sounding album. You need a great room, great mics, talented engineers, and a great sound to begin with.
Garegeband is great for what it is, but a studio it's not.
I don't think anyone is suggesting it is. Your analogy is shaky, but the end result of downloading/ripping if you own the CD is nada.
Then why should you get to listen to the music? It's not free to make. Justify it all you want, but you are taking profits from the band. If you are cool with that, there you go. But to say you are doing the band a favor by downloading their album for free instead of paying for it is quite a stretch, not matter how you feel about the label they signed a deal with.
If my clients buy one print from me, but still download and print 4x6s off of my blog, I am losing profits. Even if they buy a larger, more expensive print that equals the value of what they stole off of the blog, they are still taking profit I would have otherwise received.
People say, "oh, I wouldn't have bought it anyway, so they aren't losing anything." But you still took the product. So you are using it, without paying for it. I would be pretty screwed if everyone applied that principle to my business.
I dont mean Garageband. If you read my post, you'd see that i meant a Computer with Line-In + Microphone to record instruments directly and then clean the music up in Audacity or some other program. There's absolutely nothing stopping someone from doing just that to produce a record and sell it online. How do you think they make concert cd's if they dont record music live somehow and then clean it up? I never said to use Garageband. Dont twist things around.
How's it different if i download a cd i dont like and delete it vs buying a cd and returning it? If i download it and i like it, i buy it. I know many others that do the same - including people that were on oink.
To me the biggest problem concerning downloading is that there's so much media crap out there that legit uses of it get lost in all of it and people assume "Downloading = bad. Downloaders = scum."
