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You do realize the photos you see now ARE in chronological order right ?

They are sorted by date. That is the definition of chronological.

The Photos tab sorts by date, yes...but the date that's IN THE EXIF DATA. Date taken, not date added.

That's the problem.

Pre-iOS 8, if I saved a photo from a website it would show up right at the end of the Camera Roll, easily accessible and easy to find.

Post-iOS 8, if that photo is from, say, the middle of last year, it gets mixed up among the hundreds of other photos I took last year and I have to go hunt for it.

So no it's not the same. There should be a toggle in the Photos view to switch between the "Collections" view and the old camera roll-style simple "grid" view.
 
Maybe people don't understand because your not saying it correctly, first when you say photos tab, I assume you mean Photos app. Second, what do you mean save photos locally? The photos are local in the first place, and third, if I follow you're instructions and press Share on a Moment there is no Save option.

So all in all, no, I don't get it.

Photos are not "local in the first place." If you're using iCloud some of the photos are on your device and some are in the cloud. BIG and CRITICAL difference. Not being able to tell which is which is a HUGE problem.
 
Under iOS 7 I could delete photos from the Photo Stream on a device and it would remove them from all the other devices on the Stream but leave it on the original device's camera roll. Can't see how to do that now. I always used it to pull some of my work related pics off the stream which is shared on multiple devices belonging to my wife and kid.

Any insight?
 
This "moments/collections" thing is total BS. Yeah, let's make it so people can see even less photos at a glance! Great idea! Instead of being able to see all my pictures for the past few weeks at a glance, in Moments they are separated by days/months category, which means I can only see 4-5 photos at a time, which right now is only three days of pictures. If I zoom out to Collections, I see a giant cluster**** of tiny pictures with useless date information that I couldn't care less about, taking up more space.

I never used the Photos tab in iOS 7 because it was crap, and now it's the same crap, except I'm being forced to use it. Usability/efficiency has been killed by the removal of Camera Roll. I'll be looking at doing a jailbreak for the first time ever if they don't fix this.

Not sure if this fixes the issue but I found this in the User Guide for iOS 8

"By default, Photos displays a representative subset of your photos when you view by year or by collection. To see all your photos, go to Settings > Photos & Camera, then turn off Summarize Photos."



https://help.apple.com/iphone/8/
 
Not sure if this fixes the issue but I found this in the User Guide for iOS 8

"By default, Photos displays a representative subset of your photos when you view by year or by collection. To see all your photos, go to Settings > Photos & Camera, then turn off Summarize Photos."



https://help.apple.com/iphone/8/

The change is minimal. So minimal, that it's hard to tell what changed. From what I can gather, the change only affects the Years view. It leaves a few of the tiny thumbnails off the edge and squares up the block of photos to be more uniform (i.e. no hanging fragments at the end of the block). So now I see even less of my Photos when the option is turned on, lol. Awesome job :apple:. I love everything else about this update, but this Camera Roll thing is just plain idiotic.
 
You're wrong. If you're using iCloud not all of the photos in that folder are local. Try editing one, for example.

I have iCloud on, and checking on my Mac iPhoto on there still has pictures appearing in the Photostream that I take on the phone, just did a test.

I can also edit all my photos on my phone just fine.

Seems the Recently Added album is showing back until August 22nd for me, so a month of photos maybe, but they also show in the Photos tab just fine.

Seems I will have to wait till Yosemite to be able to see the Photostream online again in iCloud Drive, if that's how it works.

I think I'm all too tired to be thinking about this, it's 4am so forgive me. :(
 
I have iCloud on, and checking on my Mac iPhoto on there still has pictures appearing in the Photostream that I take on the phone, just did a test.

I can also edit all my photos on my phone just fine.

Seems the Recently Added album is showing back until August 22nd for me, so a month of photos maybe, but they also show in the Photos tab just fine.

Seems I will have to wait till Yosemite to be able to see the Photostream online again in iCloud Drive, if that's how it works.

I think I'm all too tired to be thinking about this, it's 4am so forgive me. :(

You're not getting it.

Take a photo on your phone. Then open and try to edit that photo on your iPad.

See, THAT is the problem: not being able to tell whether an image originates with the device or iCloud. There's a difference if you're not on the device that made or saved the image.
 
It's a problem for far more reasons than that.

Is there a setting to disable that? I much oreferred the old behavior of deleting and photo andit being gone forerver... Not this 'recently deleted' folder and undelete crap.
 
It seems like each iOS release, there's the low IQ crowd that scream who moved my cheese?

You're upset because you don't have an album for all your photos? Seems silly to me. When I want to look at the photos I have, I go to the photos section and find them all there. Apple even does me the favor of segmenting by date. But to each his own. It's not like you can do anything about it so suck it up.

Right... And you showed off your intelligence by essentially saying "I know you are but what am I" how original of you. About what I expect form an Apple sheep who forgot how to think for themself. And you're wrong, I can bitch and complain about it which is exactly what I'm doing.
 
Right... And you showed off your intelligence by essentially saying "I know you are but what am I" how original of you. About what I expect form an Apple sheep who forgot how to think for themself. And you're wrong, I can bitch and complain about it which is exactly what I'm doing.

Let me get you a diaper and warm milk.

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The Photos tab sorts by date, yes...but the date that's IN THE EXIF DATA. Date taken, not date added.

That's the problem.

Pre-iOS 8, if I saved a photo from a website it would show up right at the end of the Camera Roll, easily accessible and easy to find.

Post-iOS 8, if that photo is from, say, the middle of last year, it gets mixed up among the hundreds of other photos I took last year and I have to go hunt for it.

So no it's not the same. There should be a toggle in the Photos view to switch between the "Collections" view and the old camera roll-style simple "grid" view.

Wrong again. It gets put in the RECENTLY ADDED album, regardless of date. So in other words, anything you just added to your phone goes in that album. However, it WILL be in chrono order on the Photos section of the app.

I just tested this myself with a few old photos I downloaded to my device from Google Drive and a few from the Save Photo option in Facebook.

You guys are complaining for no reason.
 
Wrong again. It gets put in the RECENTLY ADDED album, regardless of date. So in other words, anything you just added to your phone goes in that album. However, it WILL be in chrono order on the Photos section of the app.

I just tested this myself with a few old photos I downloaded to my device from Google Drive and a few from the Save Photo option in Facebook.

You guys are complaining for no reason.


My Recently Added only has a small fraction of the photos on my device. I want a Camera Roll to see what photos are on my device. How hard is that? I want them in one simple place. I'm not against change, just stupid change.

I wish the mods would step in and put you in a time out for your aggressive, childish behavior in this thread.



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This may help

Just got off the phone with apples engineer manger and it fixed my photo issue, if you photos were backed up then go to settings icloud turn off photostream then turn it back on and go to you photos app and it should start loading your photos you had backedup. Hope this help and please the information on. Thank you
 
The idea is once iCloud Photo Library is ready, all of the photos will be on the cloud so it won't even matter.

Part of the problem is I don't want my pictures saved to iCloud. I back them up to Dropbox and Box.net. I wish I knew about that Moments thing though. I went to back up my pictures (a little housekeeping before getting a new Phone) and only finding 25 pictures to upload to Box.net. I ended up importing everything to iPhoto on my computer and then uploading them to Box.net and Dropbox.
 
Part of the problem is I don't want my pictures saved to iCloud. I back them up to Dropbox and Box.net. I wish I knew about that Moments thing though. I went to back up my pictures (a little housekeeping before getting a new Phone) and only finding 25 pictures to upload to Box.net. I ended up importing everything to iPhoto on my computer and then uploading them to Box.net and Dropbox.

In the settings app under iCloud->Photos, you can disable "My Photo Stream".

I suspect this dialog will be changed when the full cloud Photos abilities are enabled, but I'm sure there will be a similar option to disable automatic uploading to the cloud.
 
My Recently Added only has a small fraction of the photos on my device. I want a Camera Roll to see what photos are on my device. How hard is that? I want them in one simple place. I'm not against change, just stupid change.

I wish the mods would step in and put you in a time out for your aggressive, childish behavior in this thread.



:apple:

You mad?
 
Posting on this forum won't get anything done.

Everyone who isn't happy with the removal should post here IMHO: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6537533





:apple:

Link isn't working for me, but I do recommend hitting the Apple discussions and weighing in there. I just did.

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I did that. The app simply prompts to make a duplicate of the photo and then I can edit it. What is the problem?

Well, there are a couple problems there. First is that you're now working with an image that's going to duplicate on the cloud, even if you don't want it to. Second, you don't have any way to say what device that image was made on. I'd like to know. If it was made on the device i'm on it would have appeared in the camera roll.

Look, I get that it's not a problem for you and that's fine. But it's kind of silly to try and convince others that it's also not a problem for them when it clearly is.

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My Recently Added only has a small fraction of the photos on my device. I want a Camera Roll to see what photos are on my device. How hard is that? I want them in one simple place. I'm not against change, just stupid change.

I wish the mods would step in and put you in a time out for your aggressive, childish behavior in this thread.



:apple:

Completely agree.
 
The stupid thing about this change is now when I take a photo, and it uploads to my photostream, when I delete it from my device it automatically removes it from my photostream on my iPad (still on iOS 7). Before I could delete a photo from my iPhone camera roll (to save space) and it would still be in my stream. How is this better?
 
The stupid thing about this change is now when I take a photo, and it uploads to my photostream, when I delete it from my device it automatically removes it from my photostream on my iPad (still on iOS 7). Before I could delete a photo from my iPhone camera roll (to save space) and it would still be in my stream. How is this better?

I suspect most people would want the current behaviour: for a single delete to remove the photo from both.
 
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