OLED iPhone 8 to Feature Curved Display and New Touch-Sensitive Technology

[Radon87000]

No, it's very relevant for bright displays.

I fail to see how this matters.LCD uses more power than OLED on dark screens . Apple certainly doesn't think it matters as they are going all in on Samsung's OLED

Burn in is a certainty on OLED.

Can you prove this "fact" ? Because I have a Samsung OLED in front of me and it doesn't have burn in

And in any case what you are implying is that the top end iPhone next year will suffer from burn in while the low end models will cost significantly less and are superior

I've never had a BSOD on a well constructed device from running Prime95.

How many hours did you run it?Was it a laptop?

It's not.

Then why isn't LCD used on the top end iPhone?Why is AW using OLED?

 

[I7guy]

I fail to see how this matters.LCD uses more power than OLED on dark screens . Apple certainly doesn't think it matters as they are going all in on Samsung's OLED

Matters for batter life and longevity of screens.

Can you prove this "fact" ? Because I have a Samsung OLED in front of me and it doesn't have burn in

Doing a web search on oled burn in result in 500,000 hits must be something to it. Also includes YouTube videos which you deem as "proof".

And in any case what you are implying is that the top end iPhone next year will suffer from burn in while the low end models will cost significantly less and are superior

If the rumor is true and yes that is why LCD is superior to oled.

How many hours did you run it?Was it a laptop?

24 hours.

Then why isn't LCD used on the top end iPhone?Why is AW using OLED?

Ask Timmy, I'm not privy to those discussions.

 

[Radon87000]

Matters for batter life and longevity of screens.

Okay so LCD suffers from yellow tint,backlight bleed and uneven lighting while in the long run after 5 years or so,OLED screens will get burn in.But of course everyone uses a smartphone for more than 5 years or so

Doing a web search on oled burn in result in 500,000 hits must be something to it. Also includes YouTube videos which you deem as "proof".

Yes but unfortunately LCD has it far worse

If the rumor is true and yes that is why LCD is superior to oled.

But LCD suffers from yellow tints and back light bleed.At least burn in occurs firther down a phone's life span

Something like this on a brand new phone is much more annoying

24 hours.

My XPS 13 notebook failed the Prime95 test after 12 hours

Ask Timmy, I'm not privy to those discussions.

I dont need to.According to you,Apple uses the best components in their devices.So if the OLED trotting devices cost more,its apparent they are of much better quality

 

[I7guy]

Okay so LCD suffers from yellow tint,backlight bleed and uneven lighting while in the long run after 5 years or so,OLED screens will get burn in.But of course everyone uses a smartphone for more than 5 years or so

So oled gets burnt in pretty quick depending on the usage, while it takes LCD screens 5 years or so. All oled suffers burn-in, no exceptions, while some LCD duento manufacturing issues may have a yellow screen. I've never seen one in person, only random pictures posted here taken from the Internet, while I have seen burn in on the s7.

My XPS 13 notebook failed the Prime95 test after 12 hours

Okay and?

I dont need to.According to you,Apple uses the best components in their devices.So if the OLED trotting devices cost more,its apparent they are of much better quality

more expensive does not mean better quality. It means more expensive.

 

[Radon87000]

So oled gets burnt in pretty quick depending on the usage, while it takes LCD screens 5 years or so.

No.Yellow tint on LCD happens with brand new screens.Doesnt take 5 years

All oled suffers burn-in, no exceptions

Yet neither Anandtech nor ars technica nor DisplayMate mention this.And you have yet to offer proof on this point

while some LCD duento manufacturing issues may have a yellow screen. I've never seen one in person, only random pictures posted here taken from the Internet, while I have seen burn in on the s7.

Each and every iPhone in the Apple store (6 and above) suffers from the issue to varying degrees.Perfect screens (like mine) do exist but are rare.My iPhone 6 had a yellow tint and I stopped noticing it after a while as would you as you get used to it.My iPad Air 2 has uneven whites most noticeable when you turn the iPad upside down and your eyes notice the difference you didnt notice earlier a they got used to it

Okay and?

It failed a basic stress test and the device is still being sold today.Devices are manufactured for practical use cases,not hypotheticals.Burnin only happens on low quality OLEDs AND on OLEDS kept on max brightness 24x7 whcih is a use case just like P95

more expensive does not mean better quality. It means more expensive.

Not for the same manufacturer it doesnt.The low end iphone did not get wireless chargin,OLED,glass back,curved glass etc.This is a inferior model in all aspects

 

[I7guy]

No.Yellow tint on LCD happens with brand new screens.Doesnt take 5 years

That's not the point is it

Yet neither Anandtech nor ars technica nor DisplayMate mention this.And you have yet to offer proof on this point

Websearch term "oled burn-in". You yourself have cited google searches as "proof" in the past.

Each and every iPhone in the Apple store (6 and above) suffers from the issue to varying degrees.Perfect screens (like mine) do exist but are rare.My iPhone 6 had a yellow tint and I stopped noticing it after a while as would you as you get used to it.My iPad Air 2 has uneven whites most noticeable when you turn the iPad upside down and your eyes notice the difference you didnt notice earlier a they got used to it

Basic generalizations about the apple store iphones. My local apple store has phones on display with perfect screens.

It failed a basic stress test and the device is still being sold today.Devices are manufactured for practical use cases,not hypotheticals.Burnin only happens on low quality OLEDs AND on OLEDS kept on max brightness 24x7 whcih is a use case just like P95

So a lot of all of this is hypothetical. Got it.

Not for the same manufacturer it doesnt.The low end iphone did not get wireless chargin,OLED,glass back,curved glass etc.This is a inferior model in all aspects

Inferior? Thankfully for the curved glass. Apple is making a mistake with that. Less can be more. We'll see what the real deal is with the 7S, in a few months.

 

[Radon87000]

That's not the point is it

It is.OLED has burn in.LCD has yelllow tint,backlight bleed and uneven lighting.Difference is burn in may or may not develop and if it does it will take months or even years to develop while you got a crap LCD sample right from the get go

Websearch term "oled burn-in". You yourself have cited google searches as "proof" in the past.

And as I proved above theres an equivalaent amount if not more of people complaining about yellow tint

Basic generalizations about the apple store iphones. My local apple store has phones on display with perfect screens.

Or maybe its there and you are not seeing it.Look at the top of your iPhone screen at the status bar on a full white screen.That part is yellow on almost all iphone 6.Heck I replaced mine thrice before settling

So a lot of all of this is hypothetical. Got it.

Yes.Burn in occurs rarely on the highest quality OLEDs.Not something people worry about in normal use cases

Inferior? Thankfully for the curved glass. Apple is making a mistake with that. Less can be more. We'll see what the real deal is with the 7S, in a few months.

So wait are you saying people paying MORE for the high end iPhone will get a worse experience than the low end one?

 

[I7guy]

It is.OLED has burn in.LCD has yelllow tint,backlight bleed and uneven lighting.Difference is burn in may or may not develop and if it does it will take months or even years to develop while you got a crap LCD sample right from the get go

Not really, some LCD due to manufacturing may have a yellow screen, although I have not ever seen one, but all OLED has burn-in and uneven wear, that seems to come faster than months and years.

And as I proved above theres an equivalaent amount if not more of people complaining about yellow tint

Can you please recount that, I may have missed it as it may have been buried in the hyperbole.

Or maybe its there and you are not seeing it.Look at the top of your iPhone screen at the status bar on a full white screen.That part is yellow on almost all iphone 6.Heck I replaced mine thrice before settling

So this is the "it's really there, but I'm the only that can see it" conversation.

Yes.Burn in occurs rarely on the highest quality OLEDs.Not something people worry about in normal use cases

Then why do the S7s in the store exhibit burn-in?

So wait are you saying people paying MORE for the high end iPhone will get a worse experience than the low end one?

That is what I'm saying as it applies to me. How can I say anything about the masses, which seems to be de-facto procedure at times?

 

[grkm3]

Samsung store models are running demo mode that forces screen to max brightness.higher them the slider goes as it's using the super bright mode like when using the phone outside in high sunlight.its putting out over 700nits in the demo mode and is on from 9am to 10pm

I have a gs7 from day one realse and ZERO burn ins because the phone is being used like a normal phone not in demo mode.

I also have the best TV ever made the panny zt60 plasma that is selling for 8k used on eBay and guess what? it can have burn ins and it didn't stop me or any buyers from buying it.we bought it because it's the best TV period.

the IPS screen is very good and is the best LCD in any phone hands down but if you put the same image and put the phones next to each other the Sammy wins hands down.there is no ifs ands or buts it has the best image period.

 

[Radon87000]

Samsung store models are running demo mode that forces screen to max brightness.higher them the slider goes as it's using the super bright mode like when using the phone outside in high sunlight.its putting out over 700nits in the demo mode and is on from 9am to 10pm

I have a gs7 from day one realse and ZERO burn ins because the phone is being used like a normal phone not in demo mode.

I also have the best TV ever made the panny zt60 plasma that is selling for 8k used on eBay and guess what? it can have burn ins and it didn't stop me or any buyers from buying it.we bought it because it's the best TV period.

the IPS screen is very good and is the best LCD in any phone hands down but if you put the same image and put the phones next to each other the Sammy wins hands down.there is no ifs ands or buts it has the best image period.

Don't forget the yellow tint issues on iPhones . I can guarantee that all iPhone LCDs won't be evenly white while I can almost guarantee it will on an OLED.
Comparing the OLED to an IPS LCD aid like comparing a Bugatti to a Mercedes sedan

 

[I7guy]

Don't forget the yellow tint issues on iPhones . I can guarantee that all iPhone LCDs won't be evenly white while I can almost guarantee it will on an OLED.
Comparing the OLED to an IPS LCD aid like comparing a Bugatti to a Mercedes sedan

So a use case of one constitutes a "fact" applicable to the entire population? That is some sound, cogent rebuttal consisting of 100% hyperbole and generalizations.

 

[NT1440]

Comparing the OLED to an IPS LCD aid like comparing a Bugatti to a Mercedes sedan

I'd be wary of blanket statements like that.

How is this OLED better than an IPS LCD panel?

I hope you get the point I'm making.

 

[grkm3]

So a use case of one constitutes a "fact" applicable to the entire population? That is some sound, cogent rebuttal consisting of 100% hyperbole and generalizations.

but it's OK for you to say all OLED have the same issues and perform the same.samsungs newest screens are nothing like there old ones and they are not like other oleds.samaungs super AMOLED is not the same as LGS organic LCDs and no where near as good in testing.

the note 7 set new records according to displaymate.i don't see them saying the iPhone broke any records

 

[Radon87000]

So a use case of one constitutes a "fact" applicable to the entire population? That is some sound, cogent rebuttal consisting of 100% hyperbole and generalizations.

I am starting to understand.All OLEDs have burn in based on your opinion but somehow you represent the entirety of Samsung's userbase whereas my experience is an isolated one and all iPhone screens are mostly pristine
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but it's OK for you to say all OLED have the same issues and perform the same.samsungs newest screens are nothing like there old ones and they are not like other oleds.samaungs super AMOLED is not the same as LGS organic LCDs and no where near as good in testing.

the note 7 set new records according to displaymate.i don't see them saying the iPhone broke any records

There isnt a single review site calling the iPhone LCD the best display on the planet.But there are multiples stating that for the Samsung display.An OLED display has been long overdue for Apple.Heck almost the entirety of Android is already on OLED

 

[I7guy]

I am starting to understand.All OLEDs have burn in based on your opinion but somehow you represent the entirety of Samsung's userbase whereas my experience is an isolated one and all iPhone screens are mostly pristine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in
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but it's OK for you to say all OLED have the same issues and perform the same.samsungs newest screens are nothing like there old ones and they are not like other oleds.samaungs super AMOLED is not the same as LGS organic LCDs and no where near as good in testing.

the note 7 set new records according to displaymate.i don't see them saying the iPhone broke any records

See above reply wrt to color shifting.

 

[Radon87000]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in
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See above reply wrt to color shifting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid-crystal_display#Disadvantages

• Uneven backlighting in some (mostly older) monitors, causing brightness distortion, especially toward the edges.
• • Dead or stuck pixels may occur during manufacturing or while a consumer owns a screen. A dead pixel will glow with color even on an all-black screen. Although this may be acceptable for LCD screens in some uses (e.g., surfing the Internet or doing homework on a computer), a dead pixel on a movie or digital photo image may be problematic for viewers.

 

[grkm3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_burn-in
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See above reply wrt to color shifting.

Samsung has pushed the envelope on AMOLED to the point where screen burn in is not an issue.

you can't compare older generation screens to today's OLED.

you do know lg has a 6k dollar TV out now that is one of the best TV's you can buy? people are not worrying about burn ins as it's not nearly as bad as it was 5 years ago

 

[I7guy]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid-crystal_display#Disadvantages

• Uneven backlighting in some (mostly older) monitors, causing brightness distortion, especially toward the edges.
• • Dead or stuck pixels may occur during manufacturing or while a consumer owns a screen. A dead pixel will glow with color even on an all-black screen. Although this may be acceptable for LCD screens in some uses (e.g., surfing the Internet or doing homework on a computer), a dead pixel on a movie or digital photo image may be problematic for viewers.

So color shift is a given on oled, but a maybe on lcd. That is the bottom line. My one use case my iphone 6, six years old, still has a perfect screen. But I see ample evidence of deterioration on samsung screens, but not apple screens in the verizon store.

 

[I7guy]

Samsung has pushed the envelope on AMOLED to the point where screen burn in is not an issue.

you can't compare older generation screens to today's OLED.

you do know lg has a 6k dollar TV out now that is one of the best TV's you can buy? people are not worrying about burn ins as it's not nearly as bad as it was 5 years ago

Hopefully, Apple uses the OLED display in the 6K dollar LG tv and not the Samsung pentile display. I get a headache from that display.

 

[Radon87000]

So color shift is a given on oled, but a maybe on lcd. That is the bottom line. My one use case my iphone 6, six years old, still has a perfect screen. But I see ample evidence of deterioration on samsung screens, but not apple screens in the verizon store.

Uneven lighting and backlight bleed is a given on LCD as shown in the wiki.This is the bottom line .

Okay and many iPhones in my local Apple Store all have yellow tint in the status bar while my Galaxy S6 Edge display is as good as new for 2 years

 

[Radon87000]

Hopefully, Apple uses the OLED display in the 6K dollar LG tv and not the Samsung pentile display. I get a headache from that display.

Sorry to disappoint you but Samsung is the main supplier for that OLED and Samsung only does Pentile Matrix.

You get a headache from using S7 display?LCD is a dead technology.Its actually kinda sad,Apple doesnt put it out of its misery and continues to offer it on the low end iPhone

 

[I7guy]

Sorry to disappoint you but Samsung is the main supplier for that OLED and Samsung only does Pentile Matrix.

You get a headache from using the best display on the planet?Or maybe you just don't like progress ? LCD is a dead technology.Its actually kinda sad,Apple doesnt put it out of its misery and continues to offer it on the low end iPhone

Maybe the old LCD technology is better than oled when it comes to dependence, cost, lifespan and reliability?
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Uneven lighting and backlight bleed is a given on LCD as shown in the wiki.This is the bottom line .

Okay and many iPhones in my local Apple Store all have yellow tint in the status bar while my Galaxy S6 Edge display is as good as new for 2 years

OLED uneven wear is undeniable, except if you don't use the display on the phone. For now, I would rather have LCD technology, unless there is a trick up apple's sleeve and eliminates the burn-in and pentile display.

 

[Radon87000]

i'm fairly certain, calling a poster a liar is against the rules.

I didnt call you a liar at all.Edited the post to clear misunderstanding.Have you used the S7 Edge OLED or the old OLEDs from past?Are you having those problems with THAT particular display?Because there is a huge difference.The AW uses an OLED display and it doesn't give you any problems?

OLED uneven wear is undeniable, except if you don't use the display on the phone. For now, I would rather have LCD technology, unless there is a trick up apple's sleeve.

But in the 2 years of my S6 Edge there hasnt been any degradation whatsoever.Once again you are projecting the limitations of old OLED onto new ones

 

[grkm3]

Hopefully, Apple uses the OLED display in the 6K dollar LG tv and not the Samsung pentile display. I get a headache from that display.

Samsung has done stripe,pentile and diamond pentile.makes no difference.they did stripe rgb in the note 2 but rumors are saying gs8 is getting RGB stripe again but it makes no difference at the resolution of that display.

the gs7 display gives you headaches? that's a new one but keep moving the goal posts

I don't see lgs cell phone displays breaking any records against Samsung's oleds so if apple used lg and Samsung for OLED you can bet we are going to see the same thing that happened when apple used lg and Samsung for the MBP screens and everyone wanted a Samsung one over the lg

 

[I7guy]

Samsung has done stripe,pentile and diamond pentile.makes no difference.tgey did stripe rgb in the note 2 but rumors are saying gs8 is getting RGB stripe again but it makes no difference at the resolution of that display.

the gs7 display gives you headaches? that a new one but keep moving the goal posts

So in essence you're saying I'm a liar without using that word? Just had this exchange with radon. Got it.

However if you do a web search for oled burn in, there are more than enough pictures out there, granted may not happen on all phones...