Online Ad Evidence of Imminent iMac, Mac Mini and MacBook Updates?

[gunraidan]

maybe you should try using the rest of the Internet instead of apple.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103706

that one is $99 TODAY, now 2 years ago quad cores started at ~$266 for a Q6600 when the 45nm cores were released 65nm's pricing went into the ground as it became out of date/budget equipment.

$266 is pretty cheap, the cost of a mid tower with that cpu would only be around $850 with a deticated 512MB video card

I'm sorry but if you people consider over $250 "cheap" than that is just laughable.

Peoples definition of "cheap" and "budget" changes in their environment.
I consider Phenom 2s to be cheap because i7 processors can rank up prices up to and including $2k.

Not to a full extent. Hell I could call a 13" Macbook Pro a "cheap" and "budget" laptop if I wanted to. Having a processor that's nearly half the amount of many consumer computers certainly isn't "cheap" or "budget".

Most expensive Phenom 2:
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=10165

The only i7 that outperforms it by a justifiable amount:
http://www.computerlounge.co.nz/components/componentview.asp?partid=9204

Now tell me that AMD doesnt make decent cheap quad cores.

I denied this? When?

 

[MorphingDragon]

Not to a full extent. Hell I could call a 13" Macbook Pro a "cheap" and "budget" laptop if I wanted to. Having a processor that's nearly half the amount of many consumer computers certainly isn't "cheap" or "budget".

If you said that, that means you have more money than brains. Which means your environment is different. My argument still stands. Your argument is based on semantics.

I denied this? When?

I was justifying my point above.

 

[gunraidan]

If you said that, that means you have more money than brains. Which means your environment is different. My argument still stands. Your argument is based on semantics.

No it doesn't. "Budget" and "Cheap" doesn't depend person to person, because "Budget" and "Cheap" refer to the most low cost products at retail of that specific brand or item. We're not arguing "value" or "cheap for what it is". Seriously stop trying to save face.

I was justifying my point above.

Me: "There weren't any cheap or budget Quad Core 2 years ago."

MorphingDragon: "Yeah there are. AMD had the cheapest Quad Core when they launched, not only that but they have huge bang for your buck performance. This model of AMD's Quad-Core performs better than anything intel offers except for one processor for example."

Me: "What does that have to do with anything? I never stated that AMD didn't offer good prices for their products."

MorphingDragon: "I was justifying my point above."

 

[MorphingDragon]

No it doesn't. "Budget" and "Cheap" doesn't depend person to person, because "Budget" and "Cheap" refer to the most low cost products at retail of that specific brand or item. We're not arguing "value" or "cheap for what it is". Seriously stop trying to save face.



Me: "There weren't any cheap or budget Quad Core 2 years ago."

MorphingDragon: "Yeah there are. AMD had the cheapest Quad Core when they launched, not only that but they have huge bang for your buck performance. This model of AMD's Quad-Core performs better than anything intel offers except for one processor for example."

Me: "What does that have to do with anything? I never stated that AMD didn't offer good prices for their products."

MorphingDragon: "I was justifying my point above."

I will say this again because it looks like you cant seem to process it in your thing you call a head.

Our argument is semantics. Not only that its subjective. Someone's definition of Budget can change in their environment. If were discussing QuadCores why the hell are you bothering comparing it to other things!? The AMD PhenomII was cheap, hell even budget compared to the i7's price. AMD make budget QuadCores. Just because the Athlon X4's price is not budget for a Dual Core its freaken budget for a Quad Core.

Repeat after me:
Its budget for a Quadcore. Its budget for a Quadcore. Its budget for a Quadcore. Its low cost for a QuadCore, if you want to say it like that.
Just like the MacMini is budget for a Mac.

Hell semantic even means "relating to meaning in language or logic."

BTW, there something called a quote button, use it. Instead of putting words into my mouth. I didn't say that the 965 outperforms ever other i7, just that the other i7s performance increase isnt justifiably large.

 

[frosse]

I like how there are two discussions here, one about the re-design/which-processor-thing and one about the invites/event/tuesday. The processor thing has taken up like 800 pages, which is kinda cool. I also like how no one is discussing the online ads @ google.

 

[GeekGirl*]

I like how there are two discussions here, one about the re-design/which-processor-thing and one about the invites/event/tuesday. The processor thing has taken up like 800 pages, which is kinda cool. I also like how no one is discussing the online ads @ google.

Post some links please

 

[DDave]

Not sure if everyone has seen this but....

http://www.9to5mac.com/new_imacs_ship_next_week_maybe

 

[The Samurai]

Not sure if everyone has seen this but....

http://www.9to5mac.com/new_imacs_ship_next_week_maybe

Posted it last night

 

[johnrs]

lets hope there is some truth behind it all

 

[Puqq]

Hopefully it is... I am starting to blame myself for not taking the advantage of iPod rebate when buying MBP... Maybe updated MB will be worth it or maybe, just MAYBE, updated MB together with Win 7 will promote MBP update...

 

[Eidorian]

I could buy a cheap Quad-Core in 2007? I couldn't even find a cheap one in 2008.

This is from February 2008.

The Q6600 bounced around $179 -250 in late 2007 until it was superseded by the Q8200. I got mine for $179 at Fry's Electronics. Today the Q8200 hovers around ~US$140 and the Athlon II X4 620 is at $99.

If you were looking for something even cheaper than a Q6600 back then the original 65nm Phenon 96xx/97xx line would hover around $100 for OEM pricing.

Here's a fun link.

 

[superlatic]

I see lots of talk about people wont buy unless quad core but I fail to see why they need the quad core. Surely the current top imac is well capable of running adobe products, HD video editing and any thing else you care to through at it. Hell I can do all that on my MacBook Pro. I HD edit and design graphics and web sites.

The only reason I can see you need more power if for games. I to have a high end PC, but to be honest the power is used for gaming. I went Mac for the slick, straight forward systems it runs, the good designs, the family atmosphere and because after 35 years of using PC's I just wanna use the equipment, not spend hours tweaking and getting things to work.

At the moment I am ready to upgrade to the top 15" Macbook pro but waiting to see if there are price cuts on the iMAc. I just might go a 3Gig HD4850 yet. Either machine I can see will give me at least 2 years and surely will do all you need it to

Am I missing something..

Put it this way, would you pay £200 for an original xbox when you could get an xbox 360 for the same price, or pay £250 for a PS2 when you can get a PS3 for the same price

Hence it isn't a question of whether quad core is needed or not. Most apple users accept that spec for spec, apple machines will be more expensive but at the end of the day, these people dont want to pay premium prices for the hardware of yesterday that is the core 2 duo?

Bottom line is as far as mobile processors go, Clarksfield is the here and now, HP have announced the Envy 15 mac pro lookalike which will take full advantage of a clarksfield processor for £1199, and Dell have started putting Clarksfield quad core processors in their studio lines, hence apple needs to act if it wants to stay competitive.

 

[CarloUK]

Dam my post about Quad core kicked some threads off.... Better hang low
Final thing I would say is when I upgraded my Pc to Quad only thing I noticed is higher FPS in Crysis. To me Photoshop, dreamweaver, Office and editing seemed the same...

Back on track now..
Just come back from 2 hours in the Apple shop. Was looking at the MacBook Pro 15" 2.8 with Antiglare screen. Spent ages comparing gloss and anti glare.. If I get a MaCbook it will be antiglare.. Close call though.. Bigger issue was trying to make my mind up between the MacBook and an Imac (2.93/HD4850). This is a tough one to call.. Both seemed well cabable of what I want to do.

Any way I spoke to 3 different assistants and during conversations probed them about the iMac update. TBH they were clueless on it. Im sure the genuinly know nothing. Didnt manage to get hold of the store manager though. I would imagine he would be the only one to know.

 

[KnightWRX]

Put it this way, would you pay £200 for an original xbox when you could get an xbox 360 for the same price, or pay £250 for a PS2 when you can get a PS3 for the same price.

Your example fails because I can't run PS3 software on a PS2. However, I can run the same Mac software on a Mac Pro 8 core machine than on a Macbook.

And we've been through this. Configure a Dell Inspiron 13 the same as a Macbook Pro 13, and you save at most 150$. To me, the 150$ difference isn't enough to justify not buying a Mac.

 

[MacGadfly]

FWIW - No new iMacs this week (but soon).

I chatted for a while with the store manager and he would not confirm or deny any rumors. But did say If I needed an iMac in the next few weeks then I should go ahead and buy it. If I could wait a "bit" I should.

When I asked how long a "bit" was he said "I've already said too much, but if you can wait a month, you should".

He also mentioned the meeting next week for managers and resellers (which has been posted on this thread several times). Whether he is right or wrong about the iMacs, it seems odd that they would be releasing a new line up the week that all the managers and key people from resellers were NOT in their stores.

 

[NathanCH]

FWIW - No new iMacs this week (but soon).

I chatted for a while with the store manager and he would not confirm or deny any rumors. But did say If I needed an iMac in the next few weeks then I should go ahead and buy it. If I could wait a "bit" I should.

When I asked how long a "bit" was he said "I've already said too much, but if you can wait a month, you should".

He also mentioned the meeting next week for managers and resellers (which has been posted on this thread several times). Whether he is right or wrong about the iMacs, it seems odd that they would be releasing a new line up the week that all the managers and key people from resellers were NOT in their stores.

Store managers know nothing

 

[MacGadfly]

Store managers know nothing

Really? You don't think he knows he has travel scheduled for this week?
You don't think he knows what his inventory on-hand is?

Why don't you read & grok the post BEFORE you fire off some know-it-all response?

he may or may not know about the iMac, but is naive to think that just because apple doesn't send managers direct notice beforehand that they don't pick up on what is going on.

Either way if you had read the whole post before imparting your words of wisdom, you might have learned something. Apple is not going to release new products when all of their store managers and key resellers are not in their stores. Announcement only this week on, at best.

 

[Adam552]

Really? You don't think he knows he has travel scheduled for this week?
You don't think he knows what his inventory on-hand is?

Why don't you read & grok the post BEFORE you fire off some know-it-all response?

he may or may not know about the iMac, but is naive to think that just because apple doesn't send managers direct notice beforehand that they don't pick up on what is going on.

Either way if you had read the whole post before imparting your words of wisdom, you might have learned something. Apple is not going to release new products when all of their store managers and key resellers are not in their stores. Announcement only this week on, at best.

Maybe if they did know there was something going to be coming out. Don't you think it would have been leaked by now? :O

 

[MacDSmith2]

Maybe if they did know there was something going to be coming out. Don't you think it would have been leaked by now? :O

I agree. The Store Managers don't have any specific information the rest of us don't have. And the store people have been coy enough to suggest there IS something coming from the SKU's in the computer but they don't know what or when any more than anyone else. No need to attack people in these posts, good grief, its all rumors after all.

 

[Shanpdx]

it looks like lots of resellers do not have iMacs in stock, but apple store has the stock, why this parity? anyone know inside knowledge?

 

[GeekGirl*]

Tuesday! Tuesday! Lets chant

 

[thatdarnfish]

It seems to me that Apple probably won't wait a month to release new iMacs. Fact is, the resellers are completely depleted in their respective stock of iMacs. Think of all the pre-Christmas business they (and Apple) would lose if they weren't able to sell any iMacs for three-four weeks from mid-October to mid-November. Seems to me that it has to be soon.

 

[heliuscc]

I agree, new macs or not it would be foolish for Apple not to be selling macs through all possible channels in the run up to christmas and thanksgiving. Something must give, new stock one way or the other over the next week or so.

 

[The Samurai]

FWIW - No new iMacs this week (but soon).

I chatted for a while with the store manager and he would not confirm or deny any rumors. But did say If I needed an iMac in the next few weeks then I should go ahead and buy it. If I could wait a "bit" I should.

When I asked how long a "bit" was he said "I've already said too much, but if you can wait a month, you should".

He also mentioned the meeting next week for managers and resellers (which has been posted on this thread several times). Whether he is right or wrong about the iMacs, it seems odd that they would be releasing a new line up the week that all the managers and key people from resellers were NOT in their stores.

See this is the problem. You think because you chatted up a store manager, he was going to become your best bed buddy and reveal everything to a person of the street - who presumably he just met.

Fact is, store managers do not know about new product launches. They know nothing about upcoming releases nor do they 'speculate'. They have got stock sitting on the shelves currently which they need to shift in order to make space for new stock. If the current stock doesn't shift - it goes back to Apple and then sold under 'refurb', which they have to discount.

Heck, you may be right by saying that "no new imacs this week" - but you can't base that of what the store manager has told you.

 

[MacGadfly]

See this is the problem. You think because you chatted up a store manager, he was going to become your best bed buddy and reveal everything to a person of the street - who presumably he just met.

Fact is, store managers do not know about new product launches. They know nothing about upcoming releases nor do they 'speculate'. They have got stock sitting on the shelves currently which they need to shift in order to make space for new stock. If the current stock doesn't shift - it goes back to Apple and then sold under 'refurb', which they have to discount.

Wrong. Please read the whole post. I basically said the manager may or may not have a clue on the iMac.

What I did say is it seems odd that apple would be releasing new products the week that all of their managers and resellers were NOT in the stores. That's three times I've said that now, and yet everyone wants to argue about what the manager may or may not know.