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Agreed. Despite it's limitations it is an incredible camera... just look at all the posts of pics taken by it. Besides if I want a serious picture I will use a serious camera, not a cell phone of any kind.Are you kidding me!!....i think the camera on my iPhone is amazing for a cell phone camera.. it take 20x better shots than my en-v does.. and alot better than almost every cell ophone camera
Are you kidding me!!....i think the camera on my iPhone is amazing for a cell phone camera.. it take 20x better shots than my en-v does.. and alot better than almost every cell ophone camera
WHAT? Why do you post comments such as "a lot better than almost every cell phone camera" when you obviously don't know any better. I'm not saying you shouldn't state your opinion, but unless you have reviewed all the higher-end cellphones available or at least seen their pics, are you really qualified to say something like that? If you read reviews from actual tech journalists, the iPhone camera is CRAP compared to other devices in it's price range. I myself have used much better cameras on several phones. Most of the Nokia N-series including the N95 and N82 and many of the high-end Sonys (like the K850) take excellent pics, usually quite better than the iPhone...
Most people in America have not even seen high-quality, 5-megapixel cameras on cellphones. In Europe and especially in Japan/Korea/Singapore, there are excellent camera phones.
I agree with you.. iPhone's camera is really bad..
I moved from Nokia N73 (3MP) to iPhone.. and iPhone camera sucks.. I cant even take picture of my notes, because it doesnt even have auto focus, no flash, and only 2MP
Come on.... High quality and cellphone cameras are two terms that do not go together.
Anyone who takes pics with a cellphone will get a limited inferior product. Apple has done a great job with the iPhone camera and has improved it with software upgrades. I would assume the next gen will be even better.
Most iPhone owners are upscale and probably own a high level digital SLR for real pics.
Yeah - and the fact that most people will probably leave 3G turned off anyway to save battery means they have to trudge through menus to get to 3G. I do that for Wi-Fi (turn it on when needed) which is faster anyway and I always usually have unlocked access points around me....
so i guess i've been enjoying the 3G iPhone experience from that point of view
1) I didn't say "high quality camera". I'm using high-quality as a relative term.. high-quality FOR CELL PHONES.
2) "Apple has done a great job with the iPhone camera"? that statement is fanboy crap! Have you actually seen or read any comparisons from reviewers? Have you ever used or seen the pictures from a Nokia N-series or high-end Sony Ericson? Or just about any FOMA/I-Mode phone sold in Japan?
3) No phone camera will ever rival an DSLR or even a good point-and-shoot, but who carries their Nikon D40 around town in their pocket? It's not unreasonable at all to expect to be able to just carry around a cellphone instead of needing a compact point and shoot for random pics while you are out.
That's depressing. Is that what we have to look forward to? Family vacations and history documented by cellphone cams with
plastic optics the size of a nail head?
I am very familiar with the competition. I would say that the vast majority of
iPhone users love there little camera and the differences between one toy camera
and another is not at all relevant.
That's not "fanboy" rhetoric, it is just good business sense.
mhh.. haven't got such tiny nails...
oh man.. i owned a sony ericsson k850i (5MP, sold to make place for the 3G iphone xD ) and the pix taken by the iphone doesn't seem so bad to me (for a mobile phone. i've got a Canon EOS 5D so i know what it's possible to do with a digital device in the upper level^^)..
but who's going to buy the iphone because of its camera? nobody. but i still hope there will be a better camera (musn't be a 3.2mp if they use the same lense and sensor-size).. replacing the plastic lense with glas (greener apple: less plastic), should match^^
First of all, I'm not talking about family vacations or other pics you will want to have for life. I'm talking about random photos on the way to work, at house parties, restaurants, walking down the street, etc. And the optics have the capability of getting much better if people spend the money on nice phones.
And don't start changing your statements. The only thing I said was "fanboy rhetoric" was the quote: "Apple has done a great job with the iPhone camera". Again, for a high-end, modern smartphone that originally retailed for $600, I don't think they did a "great job" .. the camera is pretty crappy, with a sub-par sensor and major missing features.
While it would be nice to have a better camera on the iPhone, you're not going to see much better results without a flash and a better lens, and therein lies the problem. The iPhone has a big, bright display, which seriously increases its power consumption. To allow for decent battery life, Apple used very little space for electronics and no internal frame to allow a very large battery.
So to include anything more than a tiny camera, you'd need to either reduce the battery size (and life) or make the whole unit larger. Some of you might like to see a larger iPhone with a better camera, but that preference is not universal.
So to include anything more than a tiny camera, you'd need to either reduce the battery size (and life) or make the whole unit larger. Some of you might like to see a larger iPhone with a better camera, but that preference is not universal.
if would be nice if they made an improvement without excessing space, but...
... i'll buy it in each case^^
mh... reading the article about that american guy who couldn't buy an iphone from apple with cash made me think if they're going only to accept credit cards in switzerland?
if so, i have to get one xD
Right. And they carry their SLR with them everywhere they go in their pockets
. No. Not everyone with an iPhone has an SLR nor everyone with a blackberry has one. A camera in a phone has proven to be important enough of a feature that Apple HAD to include it in the iPhone. And yeah, there are many phones with way better cams than that in the iPhone.Re-read winterspan's post for a proper response.
Rubbish. People used to carry around disposable Kodak cameras rather than state of the art Canons or Nikons for their holiday snaps. A reasonably decent camera is plenty for most people and 3.2Mp to 5Mp with video seems to be the sweet spot.
Just take a look at how much of a brick the nokia n95 is, and then you'll see kind of how thick and big they would have to make the iphone if they stuck the carl zeiss lens and all that in there. Apple is trying to make the best compromise between reasonably good function and form factor.
Two points:
1) The N95 isn't a brick. It's thicker but shorter and narrower than the iPhone.
2) There are other 5mp camera phones out there which are almost as slim as the iPhone. See Samsung (amongst others for details).
So your argument fails.
Rubbish for the reasons outlined above..
The N95 does feel brick-like. It's not just "thicker".. it's twice as thick as the iPhone. In respect to volume its 30% bigger.
Sorry, but yes the n95 IS a brick. Anybody who even looks at it can tell you that. But I understand that nokia decided to just throw every possible feature known to god and man into it, so that's what they ended up with. The lens alone would take up a huge portion of the back of the iphone, and might be thicker than the iphone itself, from the looks of it.
Now I don't know the Samsung 5mp camera phone, maybe that's a different story. But I bet it isn't the fancy lens that the n95 has, and therefore not as good a camera.
Now I don't know the Samsung 5mp camera phone, maybe that's a different story. But I bet it isn't the fancy lens that the n95 has, and therefore not as good a camera.
True, however to describe a phone that is only 2cm thick as 'brick like' is absurd.
As pointed out, there are plenty of 13-15mm thick phones with 3.2 to 5mp cameras which totally debunks the argument that Apple were trying to compromise between form and function with the iPhone's camera.
Which was rather the point, was it not?
All the reviews I've seen say they were surprised by how good the camera is.
I'm not saying there aren't better cell-phone cameras. But the reviewers I've read ALL praised the image quality.
The pixel resolution is unusually low, the optics are unusually good. This tradeoff produces surprisingly good pictures without adding the cost of a premium cellphone camera. The iPhone is NOT trying to distinguish itself with camera quality and doesn't include the added expense that would entail. Within that context, it takes surprisingly good pictures because of the unusually good optics for such a cheap camera.
I'm not saying there aren't better cell-phone cameras. But the reviewers I've read ALL praised the image quality.
The pixel resolution is unusually low, the optics are unusually good. This tradeoff produces surprisingly good pictures without adding the cost of a premium cellphone camera. The iPhone is NOT trying to distinguish itself with camera quality and doesn't include the added expense that would entail. Within that context, it takes surprisingly good pictures because of the unusually good optics for such a cheap camera.
...not to be a conspiracy theorist, but if this was planned to coincide on the same day as rim announced their new phone, it was a brilliant move by apple's 'stealth marketing'...at the moment, all the hype is focused on apple when it should be rim's day in the spotlight...
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I did not wish to start a war and highjack this thread! haha. But for the sake of settling my original argument, and that I would very much indeed like to see an improvement over the existing iPhone camera. Here is a small comparison of the iPhone camera and my old 4 year old Sony Ericsson W31S AU by KDDI phone. Which is a better photo?
iPhone pic:
W31S pic:
iPhone pic:
is that a turd on the wall? or a ladybug? no one will ever know except me and forensic scientists.
W31S pic:
Now, my point for this is not bashing the iPhone camera. I am merely stating that I would very much like to see a better quality camera in the iphone. My W31S battery life lasts longer than the iPhone, but it is also just a bit thicker, too. I am certain Apple could implement better camera technology into the iphone and still have decent battery life.
Sometimes it's hit and miss with all cellphone cameras. These two pictures from both cameras are decent:
iPhone:
W31S:
However, I do love my iPhone to pieces.
I did not wish to start a war and highjack this thread! haha. But for the sake of settling my original argument, and that I would very much indeed like to see an improvement over the existing iPhone camera. Here is a small comparison of the iPhone camera and my old 4 year old Sony Ericsson W31S AU by KDDI phone. Which is a better photo?
iPhone pic:
W31S pic:
iPhone pic:
is that a turd on the wall? or a ladybug? no one will ever know except me and forensic scientists.
W31S pic:
Now, my point for this is not bashing the iPhone camera. I am merely stating that I would very much like to see a better quality camera in the iphone. My W31S battery life lasts longer than the iPhone, but it is also just a bit thicker, too. I am certain Apple could implement better camera technology into the iphone and still have decent battery life.
Sometimes it's hit and miss with all cellphone cameras. These two pictures from both cameras are decent:
iPhone:
W31S:
However, I do love my iPhone to pieces.