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Because there are people who wants to maintain their iPhones more than 1-2 years, and mmWave5G feature is for near future networks.
I'm curious. What exactly do you think you'll be doing with it? I can right now get 50mbps download speed with my 4g phone. You only need a third of that to stream 4k hdr video from netflix. What on earth do you need even MORE bandwith for?
 
Sooo stupid, if true. A lot of people will have to decide if they are willing to put up with a phablet, to have this feature.
I'm just getting the same thing I get every year: the best model below the max ( too big for my hands / pocket / face / life ). I'm not worried about 5G / 6G... I'm just waiting for Starlink phone service.
 
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That era is long gone.😞
Yup. So is the era of having your Ford model T painted in any color you want—so long as it was black.

I honestly wonder how these people who are overwhelmed by having to choose between a few models of an Apple product can get through a day. What clothes to put on? What to eat for breakfast. Going to a grocery store to buy a beverage, or cereal. Or even cheese lol. Choosing from a restaurant menu.

It must be completely overwhelming and utterly incapacitating.
 
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I get that.

If other manufacturers are able to make it happen then so can Apple. 5G implementation was not a surprise on the roadmap meaning they would have had a pretty good idea of what was required for awhile now. These designs are planned many months if not over a year in advance.

This isn’t 2010, omitting 5G and 120hz for an entire year while almost all of the competition has it, will be a major blemish in the public’s eye. This is one of the most resourceful and capable companies out there were talking about.
In other words, this rumor is crap.
 
5G is a red herring.
I get 110Mbps down and 30Mbps up on Verizon 4G/LTE; I need 5G why?
The only thing 5G gives is possibly faster downloads, but how many large downloads do you do on a phone?
Nothing streams that fast and most carriers limit mobile devices to 720P anyway.
Even if you are using your phone as a hotspot, you don't need 500Mbps.
So with 5G; other than a check box and marketing hype, does it matter? Nope
It matters to the carriers, who are tricking their mobile customers into paying for the 5G network they’ll actually use to roll out fixed wireless broadband to residential customers 🙂
 
Yup. So is the era of having your Ford model T painted in any color you want—so long as it was black.

I honestly wonder how these people who are overwhelmed by having to choose between a few models of an Apple product can get through a day. What clothes to put on? What to eat for breakfast. Going to a grocery store to buy a beverage, or cereal. Or even cheese lol. Choosing from a restaurant menu.

It must be completely overwhelming and utterly incapacitating.

That guerrilla marketing strategy of approaching people in the cereal aisle and saying, "I've noticed you've been standing here for a while, may I ask what brand of smartphone you use?"
 
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There's certainly a tendency for programmers to use more CPU or maybe RAM as those become faster/bigger over time, and it counteracts Moore's Law, but wasting more network bandwidth takes effort. Also, there will probably be a sufficient population not using 5G.

What I meant with 3G was, it felt slow even when it was the newest thing. 4G feels more like home internet. The only kind of performance I still care for is latency, since it actually tends to dominate webpage loading time since people refuse to adopt HTTP2.
Last I looked web page loading times were dominated by server response times, not latency. Poor latency is deadly to certain applications though, no doubt, and can render them completely unusable.

I could be behind the times though, I haven’t looked into it lately.
 
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Just like Negan said. Donnnnnnn’t careeeeeeee. There’s no rush using 5G right now. Maybe in 2022.
 
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Last I looked web page loading times were dominated by server response times, not latency. Poor latency is deadly to certain applications though, no doubt, and can render them completely unusable.

I could be behind the times though, I haven’t looked into it lately.
Oh, I wasn't counting server response time, only latency + transmission + queuing + processing, but that makes sense. I have like 50ms ping to most sites I visit, and each HTTPS connection takes 3 round trips to establish, so 150ms is spent on latency. Hard to tell what the average server response time is, but I think it's lower than that. And the rest are tiny.
 
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There are two different models of 6.1” iPhone, one is mid-tier (iPhone 12), the other is at the top of the line (iPhone 12 Pro). The Pro is rumored to be about $300 more than the regular model.

iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro seems to make sense to me. How would you prefer Apple name them, since you don’t like the word Pro?

For the 6.7”, there is only a top of the line model, iPhone 12 Pro Max. I guess you would like to rename it as well. Suggestions?

You said "“Pro” moniker denotes the most featureful, it doesn’t mean the person buying it is a pro. It means it’s at the top of the line." Except there are 2 pro models (6.1 and 6.7) yet only the 6.7 is getting certain features. My point stands the pro name is not pro at all (I would agree with you if the phones featured the same features minus screen and battery, but that is no longer the case if the smaller pro only gets some 5G). Sorry you fall for the apple marketing hype, but pro isn't the way that apple throws it around.
 
Such a non-issue really. As if one human being on the planet would notice a 200mbit vs a 1000mbit download on a PHONE. This isn't a workhorse computer. It's a phone. 4K doesn't need 5Gmmwave to function (and hint hint: the iphone screens barely do more than 1080p. So...)

If only 5G was only about speed....
 
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iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro seems to make sense to me. How would you prefer Apple name them, since you don’t like the word Pro?
Sorry you fall for the apple marketing hype, but pro isn't the way that apple throws it around.
Exactly.

Premium1 is 100% right!

Pro is not just an ordinary run-of-the-mill marketing word - - it is one of the rare sanctified holy words that must be only spoken with the utmost reverence.

How dare PickUrPoison freely speaketh the "P" word!

:mad:
 
Exactly.

Premium1 is 100% right!

Pro is not just an ordinary run-of-the-mill marketing word - - it is one of the rare sanctified holy words that must be only spoken with the utmost reverence.

How dare PickUrPoison freely speaketh the "P" word!

:mad:
Yikes, yes I should have written “P-o”.
 
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You said "“Pro” moniker denotes the most featureful, it doesn’t mean the person buying it is a pro. It means it’s at the top of the line." Except there are 2 pro models (6.1 and 6.7) yet only the 6.7 is getting certain features. My point stands the pro name is not pro at all (I would agree with you if the phones featured the same features minus screen and battery, but that is no longer the case if the smaller pro only gets some 5G). Sorry you fall for the apple marketing hype, but pro isn't the way that apple throws it around.
There are two different models of 6.1” iPhone, one is mid-tier (iPhone 12), the other is at the top of the line (iPhone 12 Pro).

That’s true regardless of the existence of a 6.7” iPhone 12 Max or a 6.7” iPhone Pro Max.

Maybe this will help:

Apple makes two different 13” notebooks, the MacBook Air and 13” MacBook Pro. The Air is the lesser featured, mid-line, while the MBP is the top of the line.

That doesn’t change just because Apple also makes a 16” MBP. I have no interest in a 16” notebook, because I can’t use it on an airline tray table. But I want the best, most featureful, top of the line 13” that Apple sells. So I know instantly which to buy: the 13” MBP. I don’t even need to compare them, Apple’s naming scheme makes it clear.

In any case, Apple will do what they want with their naming, no matter what you and I think about it.
 
There are two different models of 6.1” iPhone, one is mid-tier (iPhone 12), the other is at the top of the line (iPhone 12 Pro).

That’s true regardless of the existence of a 6.7” iPhone 12 Max or a 6.7” iPhone Pro Max.

Maybe this will help:

Apple makes two different 13” notebooks, the MacBook Air and 13” MacBook Pro. The Air is the lesser featured, mid-line, while the MBP is the top of the line.

That doesn’t change just because Apple also makes a 16” MBP. I have no interest in a 16” notebook, because I can’t use it on an airline tray table. But I want the best, most featureful, top of the line 13” that Apple sells. So I know instantly which to buy: the 13” MBP. I don’t even need to compare them, Apple’s naming scheme makes it clear.

In any case, Apple will do what they want with their naming, no matter what you and I think about it.

Again, you are dancing around the real point. You said the "pro" line is top of the line (We know the regular 12 is not pro, not sure why you try to compare that). The pro models (6.1 and 6.7) are the ones being compared because they are "pro" yet only one of the "pro" models (6.7) is getting all of the features. Not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp. Essentially the 6.1" is semi pro compared to the 6.7" full pro.
 
only one of the "pro" models (6.7) is getting all of the features

Assuming this rumor is true at all, these limitations would be for similar physical reasons as in the past: the iPhone 6 Plus had a better camera than the iPhone 6, because it simply had more room for optics. The 16-inch MacBook Pro has a much better CPU and GPU than the 13-inch MacBook Pro, because it has more room for thermals. The iPhone Pro Max may have better cellular reception than the iPhone Pro, because it has more room for radio.

I don't think @PickUrPoison has difficulty "grasping" that. They just don't find it anywhere near as interesting as you do.
 
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Assuming this rumor is true at all, these limitations would be for similar physical reasons as in the past: the iPhone 6 Plus had a better camera than the iPhone 6, because it simply had more room for optics. The 16-inch MacBook Pro has a much better CPU and GPU than the 13-inch MacBook Pro, because it has more room for thermals. The iPhone Pro Max may have better cellular reception than the iPhone Pro, because it has more room for radio.

I don't think @PickUrPoison has difficulty "grasping" that. They just don't find it anywhere near as interesting as you do.

Yet those weren't called "pro." I guess you have as much trouble grasping it as others do....
 
I was talking about the iphones....

And I wasn’t. For someone who keeps telling others that they’re not “grasping” something; you seem to have a hard time following.

Anyway, if the 12 Pro Max has something the 12 Pro doesn’t, it’s probably the end of the world and/or Apple going bankrupt. This also never would’ve happened under Steve.
 
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Because there are people who wants to maintain their iPhones more than 1-2 years, and mmWave5G feature is for near future networks.
If you're future-proofing, you're buying overly mature technology you expect to grow. Future proofing is buying a 1tb iPad because you never plan to buy another iPad in your life (even though you will). Future proofing is not buying the bleeding edge nonsense technology that is half-supported and barely rolled out. That's just foolishness.
 
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