Only High-End 6.7-Inch iPhone 12 Pro Max Said to Get mmWave 5G

[PSeg90]

I'm def going to be getting the mmWave 5G iPhone; however, I wish Apple would put this in a smaller 5.4" form factor.

 

[FelixDerKater]

Cripple the rest for this year to make people upgrade next year. 33MHz limitation to 66MHz chip.

 

[Julienne]

Miss the days when there was one size and one phone.

That era is long gone.😞

 

[kazmac]

So glad I’m fine with the SE 2020. Apple will get the iPhone Pro money when I buy another iPad.

 

[JBGoode]

My point was that Apple will only add mmWave to 1 device and sell some; but the following iPhone cycle, Apple will add mmWave to all models and sell an abundance.

Yeah - your point implies that the inclusion (or exclusion) of mmWave is going to be the deciding factor in a lot of purchases and I'm telling you that you're wrong .

 

[compwiz1202]

Sooo stupid, if true. A lot of people will have to decide if they are willing to put up with a phablet, to have this feature.

Agree totally. I even like bigger phones, but 11PM is about as big as I want. IF they pull this garbage, they better slim down the bezels and notch to keep it close to 11PM body size.

 

[anson42]

Yeah - your point implies that the inclusion (or exclusion) of mmWave is going to be the deciding factor in a lot of purchases and I'm telling you that you're wrong.

I live in an urban area that may or may not benefit from mmWave and to your point I honestly don't care.

But that said, it would be good for folks to understand whether or not mmWave will be present where you live (and travel to) and what its REAL WORLD benefits are vs theoretical ones. It's quite possible your area may never get mmWave or won't until long after you've changed phones. Or it's there now but is not optimal. in other words, not having mmWave is likely not a big deal at all for most iPhone users, if they even know what that is. Remember, many AT&T customers think they have 5G now

Buying a Pro Max just to get mmWave? That's not going to be the main feature driving Pro Max sales, but it might pick up a few savvy buyers. Many of us buy the model for the big screen and camera capabilities. Oh, it's got mmWave? Bonus, but maybe a useless one at this time. Two things are likely to happen with the non-Max models:

* mmWave will make its way into other iPhone 12 models next year
* mmWave will make its way into all iPhone 12 Pro models this year and the original subject is bogus (or "fake" per an earlier post). This entire thread is moot anyways.

 

[JBGoode]

I live in an urban area that may or may not benefit from mmWave and to your point I honestly don't care.

But that said, it would be good for folks to understand whether or not mmWave will be present where you live (and travel to) and what its REAL WORLD benefits are vs theoretical ones. It's quite possible your area may never get mmWave or won't until long after you've changed phones. Or it's there now but is not optimal. in other words, not having mmWave is likely not a big deal at all for most iPhone users, if they even know what that is. Remember, many AT&T customers think they have 5G now

Buying a Pro Max just to get mmWave? That's not going to be the main feature driving Pro Max sales, but it might pick up a few savvy buyers. Many of us buy the model for the big screen and camera capabilities. Oh, it's got mmWave? Bonus, but maybe a useless one at this time. Two things are likely to happen with the non-Max models:

* mmWave will make its way into other iPhone 12 models next year
* mmWave will make its way into all iPhone 12 Pro models this year and the original subject is bogus (or "fake" per an earlier post). This entire thread is moot anyways.

Yeah my sister in law was in NYC recently and thought she was getting 5g service on her iPhone XR. I didn’t bother correcting her because she already thinks I’m a “know it all” type but I definitely had a chuckle.

 

[techwhiz]

Does anyone even care about this 5G?
I believe Kuo reported this few months back.

5G is a red herring.
I get 110Mbps down and 30Mbps up on Verizon 4G/LTE; I need 5G why?
The only thing 5G gives is possibly faster downloads, but how many large downloads do you do on a phone?
Nothing streams that fast and most carriers limit mobile devices to 720P anyway.
Even if you are using your phone as a hotspot, you don't need 500Mbps.
So with 5G; other than a check box and marketing hype, does it matter? Nope

 

[techwhiz]

I’m going to call complete BS to this. With all of Apples prowess it makes zero sense they can’t design a still rather large phone 6.1 inch to fit a 5G antenna. 5G has been on the drawing board for quite some time now, you can’t tell me they didn’t have time to figure out how to get it to fit. Perhaps it’s a cost saving measure or some other reason, but to give that reason is a slap in the face to anyone with a brain.

They can probably get it to fit but would need to sacrifice some other function or features.
Would you be okay with less battery and 5G?
Good, fast or cheap? Pick two.
Thats the typical engineering question. You can have two of the three but not all three.
The same applies -> long battery life, all the features, and the size you want?
Pick two.

 

[techwhiz]

Now we just need a WiFi solution for sound. I'm tired of the bluetooth standard forcing low quality, lossy audio on wireless headphones. I'm happy to give twice the battery life for twice the Audio bandwidth - audio is SO MUCH lower bandwidth than anything else I do like browse the web, watching movies, etc, that it just doesn't make any sense to limit it to max 320kilobits/second.

It is not limited.
AptX HD is 576 kbps
Sony LDAC is up to 990kbps
AAC is 320 kbps.
SBC is 328 kbps
SBC dual channel mode where the left and right are encoded separately gives a bit rate of > 600kbps.

So if you are talking about Apple which does not use AptX or the other formats outside AAC,;you are correct, but the standard itself does not limit you to 320kbps.

 

[techwhiz]

FFS, Apple - stop making features only available to the largest screen size! Some of us want "all the premium" in a smaller form factor! (They've been doing this for a very long time - I remember in 2003 buying my 12" PowerBook G4 and missing out on features the 17" model had. The iPhone 7 Plus getting the second camera but not the smaller iPhone 7, etc.)

You can't put ten pounds of manure in a 5 pound bag.
You can't get everything in a smaller package.
Something has to go.

 

[techwhiz]

Yeah - your point implies that the inclusion (or exclusion) of mmWave is going to be the deciding factor in a lot of purchases and I'm telling you that you're wrong .

I agree.
mmWave will not even factor into 99.9% of the purchasing decisions.

 

[Oscar_440]

So, literally no iphone that's ever been made has had this feature. Is your phone not fast enough now? Why does anyone care about this?

Because there are people who wants to maintain their iPhones more than 1-2 years, and mmWave5G feature is for near future networks.

 

[anson42]

Because there are people who wants to maintain their iPhones more than 1-2 years, and mmWave5G feature is for near future networks.

It would be good then to know if mmWave is actually going to be a thing in your primary area and when before deciding if mmWave is important over the next 1 to 3 years.

 

[compwiz1202]

I certainly do. I live in a city that Verizon has had MMwave in for well over a year and it’s all over. I get that it’s sparse for most but I would welcome it personally

Me too. It's more than just top speed. It keeps your average speed up because it can handle more concurrent users before slowing

 

[compwiz1202]

I don't care about mmWave 5G, butI do care about the sub 6MHz 5G. I have T-Mobile and I have 1-2 bars in my house. And there is 5G coverage here now that can penetrate walls better and much better coverage, so as long as the new iPhone support that I'll be happy.

Cool I was wondering how 5G compared for inside. Wonder if it can penetrate Boscovs and BJs that have absolutely 0 coverage inside. At least I think BJs has Wi-Fi though.

 

[compwiz1202]

1997: Your computer has 256mb RAM. Is your computer not fast enough now? Why does anyone care about this?

LOL we should only need 4MEGAbytes and 2400 baud like I had way back when

 

[compwiz1202]

Nobody in the history of time has ever said "My computer is fast enough". I'm talking about the speed of your network. People DO actually say "My internet speed is fast enough to meet my needs". It's why everyone doesn't have a 1Gbit line. Try again.

Edit to add: Also, not sure how old you are, but 256 mb of ram would have been an incredible amount of RAM in 1997. So either you're being hyperbolic or missing the point: the commonly available mobile internet speeds on your current iPhone that you were just marketed to last year as being the fastest iPhone ever iPhoned is suddenly not fast enough to meet your needs? (If you don't meet this criteria don't answer me.)

Yea usually internet speed can be the biggest bottleneck depending on what you need. But the main reason I don't get Gb is because I don't want to pay way more than for 50Mb. Sometimes I wish you could just rent Gb speed for a few minutes when you need to download. That's really the only noticeable difference with 50M vs 1G

 

[compwiz1202]

Who? 3G always felt slow. It was much slower than home broadband at the time.

Exactly. The save will eventually happen with 4G LTE vs 5G. Once more apps and such are coded for 5G, then 4G will feel like molasses.

 

[compwiz1202]

You need an unlimited data plan to be on 5G for all carriers.

For right now it is really unlimited I think. Eventually I'm sure it will be "unlimited" again

 

[Lionel Messi]

I go back and forth. Had a 6S Plus, then iPhone 8, and now XS Max. Planned to go smaller pro model, but LiDAR and this article makes me want to spend the extra $100 for the larger screen, and those extra features. A better value proposition.

Just curious, what makes you definitely never go back to the phablet?

The fit in the pocket and weight. I did not enjoy my phone bulging from my pants nor feeling heavy in my pocket.

I do agree with you on that. Think I will compromise the above for the extra features.

 

[hot-gril]

Exactly. The save will eventually happen with 4G LTE vs 5G. Once more apps and such are coded for 5G, then 4G will feel like molasses.

There's certainly a tendency for programmers to use more CPU or maybe RAM as those become faster/bigger over time, and it counteracts Moore's Law, but wasting more network bandwidth takes effort. Also, there will probably be a sufficient population not using 5G.

What I meant with 3G was, it felt slow even when it was the newest thing. 4G feels more like home internet. The only kind of performance I still care for is latency, since it actually tends to dominate webpage loading time since people refuse to adopt HTTP2.

 

[lordofthereef]

So, literally no iphone that's ever been made has had this feature. Is your phone not fast enough now? Why does anyone care about this?

Future proofing, I imagine. I used to upgrade yearly until the 6s series/ Now, I upgrade every 3, for a multitude of reasons I won't get into here. While my area doesn't have 5G yet, it undoubtedly will within the enxt three years. I am only about 35 miles west of Boston.

That said, we got free iphone 11's for the fam and won't be able to get anything new for about two years, so we aren;t exactly shopping. But I can see people whos devices are getting long in the tooth and looking for an upgrade this product refresh wanting to get the most longevity out of their $800+ purchase

 

[upandown]

They can probably get it to fit but would need to sacrifice some other function or features.
Would you be okay with less battery and 5G?
Good, fast or cheap? Pick two.
Thats the typical engineering question. You can have two of the three but not all three.
The same applies -> long battery life, all the features, and the size you want?
Pick two.

I get that.

If other manufacturers are able to make it happen then so can Apple. 5G implementation was not a surprise on the roadmap meaning they would have had a pretty good idea of what was required for awhile now. These designs are planned many months if not over a year in advance.

This isn’t 2010, omitting 5G and 120hz for an entire year while almost all of the competition has it, will be a major blemish in the public’s eye. This is one of the most resourceful and capable companies out there were talking about.