Discussion in 'iPad' started by flapflapflap, Dec 26, 2015.

  1. flapflapflap macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    I've had the iPP for two weeks. I'm actually buying the SP4 tonight to compare the two devices. I've been holding onto the iPP hoping that third parties would debut their smart keyboard covers for the iPP. What is taking so long? Does anyone know why there are only TWO smart keyboards in the market?

    I am a young lawyer and my work revolves around Word, Excel and Adobe PDFs. I need a keyboard for iPP, but the options (Logitech Create and Apple Smart Keyboard) are really bad in my opinion. The Logitech is too bulky and makes the entire package heavy, while the Apple Smart Keyboard offers a bad typing experience and even worse folding/origami exercise. I absolutely love SP4's hardware design which features a built in kickstand plus a very thin type cover that helps makes the device extremely portable.

    Someone in a different thread referenced the Urban Armor case which mimics the SP4's kickstand (http://urbanarmorgear.com/collections/ipad-pro-cases/products/case-for-ipad-pro?variant=7171851012). I would love to see a thin back cover with a built in kickstand paired with a type cover similar to SP4's.

    The iPP is thinner than the SP4, so it can allow for a thin back cover that has a built in kickstand and still preserve its thin profile.

  2. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    There are only two because the product hasn't been on the market for long.
  3. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    It's been available to developers and hardware third parties for almost three months. Yet, no mention or even rumors of keyboards in the near future. How much longer before a hardware company comes up with their own? Is it that difficult? Perhaps the market is so weak, that there is no incentive for keyboard makers to invest more $ to make a compatible keyboard.
  4. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Most hardware makers are going to wait to put something out until after they know it will sell. Also, designing to a new port for a new device will likely take more than three months.
  5. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    Given the lukewarm response of the iPP in general, I doubt we will see any other "smart" keyboards for quite awhile.

    SP4's built in kickstand is truly a marvel. I hope to see someone create a back cover that can mimic the kickstand and bundle it with a type cover that is similar to the SP4's.
  6. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    Luke warm? Is that why I have to wait until the fourth of next month to get mine shipped from Sprint?
  7. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    That's from Sprint. They were the last to receive iPP's and their inventory status is not a good indicator on how the iPP is doing.

    The reason why I say lukewarm is because I have spent a lot of time reading reviews and the majority (more than 75%) of reviewers who do this for a living have remarked that the iPad Pro does not meet their expectation. Tim Cook created a high bar by saying the iPP could replace your laptop.

    Even from macrumors.com, several people have indicated they are returning their iPP's.

    Lastly, there are articles like these that reveal the weak demand in the iPP.

    iPad Pro struggling to sell in one key market - TechnoBuffalo
  8. jamesrick80 macrumors 68020


    Sep 12, 2014
    China sells are struggling but it's surely not struggling in the United states. Also, it seems like the Microsoft surface book would seem more useful for the OP above especially since you're a lawyer.
  9. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    I certainly hope so. Bottom line, I want to hold onto the iPP and hope to see third parties come up with their keyboard variants very soon.

    My wish list is as follows: (1) multiple viewing angles, (2) thin and light package (unlike the Logitech Create), (3) a cover that protects the screen.
  10. bensisko macrumors 65816

    Jul 24, 2002
    The Village
    Problem #1 - People who "review for a living". These are the WORST people to accept any kind of feedback on a Tech Product from. The vast majority of "reviewers" give it a spin for a couple days (a week at best) and do a write up based on limited experience with the product - and they usually write it from the PoV of someone who is looking at Specs rather than how they would actually use the thing. Read a review from someone who has used it for a month or two and put it through it's paces in a real-world situations (and writing Tech Reviews is NOT a "real-world situation").

    Problem #2 - I haven't seen any REAL demand/sales numbers (specifically from Apple), so 3rd party numbers mean very little. Not only that, it's not worth anything to speculate on imaginary sales numbers so close to a product launch. Six months and a year in, then let's talk about how it's doing.

    Problem #3 - When Tim Cook said that the iPad Pro could replace your laptop, he probably assumed (wrongly, evidently) that people would be smart enough to know that he wasn't talking about everybody. There are LOTS of people for whom the iPad Pro could completely replace their laptop - if you're on this board, you're probably not one of them. That doesn't mean it can't replace your laptop in a lot of different situations - it doesn't have to be total.
  11. flapflapflap, Dec 26, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2015

    flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    No disagreements. Though, for a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, Tim Cook and other CEOs are precise with their words. IMO, Tim Cook said what he said so he could sway as many folks from buying the SP4.

    With that said, if I do not see third party keyboards that are designed to make usage of the iPP port within the next few months, then to me, it would suggest that there isn't a big enough market of buyers.
  12. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    And neither is China.
  13. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    The articles I presented are based on hard data. It doesn't give you the entire scope of iPP sales, but it's an indicator at some level.

    Look, I hope the iPP outsells the SP4 by a landslide. Just give me a lightweight keyboard/protective cover that provides multiple viewing angles.
  14. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    I want one as well. The best I can think of is a case with multiple angles and a BT keyboard.
  15. Cashmonee macrumors 6502a


    May 27, 2006
    It's only been out for a few months, and, honestly, outside of Logitech, what other 3rd party is there to make a keyboard? Most probably don't have the resources to turn out a product designed for a new port so quickly.
  16. maxsix Suspended


    Jun 28, 2015
    Western Hemisphere
    My iPP with its Smart Keyboard and Pencil is quite useful.

    There aren't any real substantial drawbacks, other than my personal objection that it's a bit bulky and cumbersome due to size and weight. Not as in way too much, but enough that it's annoying.

    Conversely my Surface Pro 3 and 4 models are better balanced, not awkward, and very ergonomically designed.

    They iPP and Surface Pro's are just different which is both obvious and to be expected.

    On the University Campus I must admit I see a very large number of SP models and very few iPP units being used. But in fairness to Apple, University of California Campuses are Windows Centric and Windows 10 is very popular indeed.

    Microsoft has hit a huge home run with the very well thought out and engineered Surface Pro. Mine is delightfully fast, fun and easy to carry. :D
  17. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    No disagreements, however, I think the SP4 battery life is terrible.
  18. sracer macrumors 604


    Apr 9, 2010
    in exile
    I don't believe that the reason is because the "market is so weak". I think it has to do with taking the time to understand what customers want (which might be different for the iPP than it is for the other iPads). This is especially important because Apple produced their own keyboard cover out of the gate. It might also have something to do with the mag connector... technical issues, Apple's licensing fees, etc.

    There is a segment of the iPP customers that will buy the Apple Smart Keyboard regardless of what other options are available. Accessory companies know this and they know that they'll have to do something to significantly differentiate themselves from what Apple offers... either by an alternative design or significant price difference.

    This is one of the reasons why (although I was waiting for the release of the iPP) I haven't bought one yet.
  19. silverblack macrumors 68030


    Nov 27, 2007
  20. Jax44 macrumors 6502a


    Jul 24, 2010
    Carmel, California

    You should have never got an iPP, perhaps you never did since you're whole post appears to be an ad for the SP4
  21. Michael Goff macrumors G5

    Michael Goff

    Jul 5, 2012
    My dream scenario? Microsoft. Just throwing that out there.
  22. flapflapflap thread starter macrumors member

    Dec 13, 2013
    That is ridiculous. SP4 is terrible with its battery life.
  23. xraydoc macrumors demi-god


    Oct 9, 2005
    I am a professional and my iPP has replaced my laptop.
  24. Count Blah macrumors 68040

    Count Blah

    Jan 6, 2004
    US of A
    Don't worry. Lots of super defensive folks around here who can't bare to listen to even the slightest criticism of apple.

    I hope the SP4, SP5, etc... are big hits, if only to drive apple to innovate in response. But some around here would LOVE for Apple to follow in Intel's footsteps - Zero competition, precious little innovation.

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