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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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What do you mean by Mac OS X in that equation?The short equation would be: Mac OS X = SJ =
You do understand that OSX is a branch of BSD, Unix, which means OSX isn't totally apple's work. maybe not even half (you can provide me data, if you have, to show otherwise) of the codes?
"how much" = "totally"? I don't know how you read the question.
Yeah, Apple wants full and sole rights to dilute itself with products that are well....not so ugly but still contain bargain-bin components at 400% price premium to appeal to the well-to-do but clueless market.
Come On!
This is BS! If i were you i wouldnt waste my time. Like most people have already pointed out if they pre install leopard they are going to have a lawsuit on their hands. Plus you can never go wrong with a real genuine Mac.
This is BS! If i were you i wouldnt waste my time. Like most people have already pointed out if they pre install leopard they are going to have a lawsuit on their hands. Plus you can never go wrong with a real genuine Mac.
I like the idea of a company selling a pre-built computer that consists of components that Mac OS X supports, so that when you go to the store and get a copy of Leopard ($129 -> Apple) and your Apple stickers (remember to apply these first, to get Apple branded hardware!) you can install it safely and reasonably easily.
However I do like the style of many of Apple's products, and these third party devices simply will not have that.
Maybe it will wake up Apple and make them update the Mac Mini! Or even introduce a lower-level of Mac Pro, which they could call the "Mac"!
However I do like the style of many of Apple's products, and these third party devices simply will not have that.
Maybe it will wake up Apple and make them update the Mac Mini! Or even introduce a lower-level of Mac Pro, which they could call the "Mac"!
EULA isn't a law.. it's an agreement. I don't think any EULA has been tested in court yet.
As far as I am aware, Apple have not been overly concerned with the hackintosh community so far. That might change. If Apple started to intentionally annoy hackintosh users, it could become quite an ordeal to maintain a running system.
What you should be buying, when you buy a mac, is a system that just works. There are some issues with Leopard, but compared to the Windows experience that still holds, IMHO.
If you run a Hackintosh system you have a much greater risk of a system that one day won't do what you want it to do (and for some reason it always happens at the worst possible time). Downtime for me is relatively short, because I can quite happily keep working in Linux using the same software as I use in OS X. All my important stuff is OS-agnostic and backed up off-site. Even so, I would not use a Hackintosh if I owned my own business. Downtime can easily cost you thousands, so the extra risk just isn't worth it.
Even if Apple does nothing, sometimes you still have to jump through hoops to make the updates work. Terminal work can again potentially break your system, especially if you don't know what you're doing and muck about with the sudo command. Generally speaking, when you delete something in Unix, it stays deleted. Also, you need to read through a bunch of forum posts before making the assumption, that what Some Guy Off The Internet recommends won't render your computer unusable.
For most users it simply isn't worth it.
They're updating the store! Oh wait, wrong company.
Their servers are probably overloaded from a boatload of visitors, given that Gizmodo, MacDailyNews, ZDNet, engadget, Ars Technica, Computerworld, Wired and MacRumors are all talking about it.
And still no mention of the OpenMac on Slashdot...
Good luck to the person(s) in charge of the web server(s) for www.psystar.com!
The real reason Apple cannot let this happen is:
If Mac OS was able to be installed on a vanilla custom built Intel machine, they would not be able to rip people off with overpriced components. Think about it, the only reason ppl are willing to pay $1000 more for the EXACT same hardware is because Mac OS can be installed on it.
Mac OS is easily installable on a Dell machine. But it is not in Apple's business interest to let that happen.
If Mac OS was able to be installed on a vanilla custom built Intel machine, they would not be able to rip people off with overpriced components. Think about it, the only reason ppl are willing to pay $1000 more for the EXACT same hardware is because Mac OS can be installed on it.
Mac OS is easily installable on a Dell machine. But it is not in Apple's business interest to let that happen.
i hope that apple sues the makers of this product.. and makes them not able to make or sell anymore
Right on!!!!
Ha ha ha ha, classic
Starting a response with an insult, how clever.
I could respond to that, but I'm not in the habit of feeding trolls.
Rather, I'll respond to your other statements which relate to the thread topic.
Yes, this machine will allow you to install an Nvidia 8600GT in it, which a Mini won't. However, what you've failed to take into account is that YMMV when building a Hackintosh and using 3rd party manufactured graphics cards.
I have built Hackintoshes and have subsequently bought a Mac because I didn't want to trust my DAW to a hacked and patched OS. My graphics card in my Hackintosh was an Nvidia FX5200, which was a chip used by Apple at the time (in fact it's the chip on the card in my G5), but OS X would only run in VESA compatible mode with no CoreImage or Quartz Extreme support because the card was manufactured by a 3rd party.
To get the OS to support the card with the above technologies, kext editing was required and fiddling about with Titan/Natit.
Your post indicates you would go hunting for a card you can get a rebate on, yet you have no guarantee that the card you buy will be supported by OS X, patched or otherwise. The 8600GT is used by Apple in the Macbook Pro line - the mobile version of the chip. I may be wrong, but I can't see where else in the Apple line up this particular chip has been used. Afaics the previous generation Mac Pros and high end iMacs used a 7300GT. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Given the information I have though - that the mobile version of the chip is used by Apple and not the desktop version which is found on OEM graphics cards, I'm working on the basis that the driver for an 8600GT in this machine will be based around OSx86 community drivers and kext patches, rather than the Apple coded driver for the mobile chip. The differences between OEM drivers for the 2 chips will no doubt be subtle, but there nonetheless.
When building Linux boxes in the past with Nvidia cards I've always compiled Nvidia's own binaries rather than the community ones that get bundled with a distro because in short, they just don't measure up imho. As such I'm not convinced that just because you can put an 8600GT OEM card in this machine you'll see the same reliability as you would from the Apple coded driver for the mobile chip that they certify in a MBP.
Your point is what exactly? That PC's shouldn't be as aesthetically pleasing as an Apple computer? That PC case manufacturers and who produce ugly products and the OEMs that use them should be content with the fact their products are ugly compared to the competition? All the PC's I've built have all had nice cases, whether the machine lived on my desk or beneath it. Fwiw, my G5 lives hidden beneath my desk, even though I like the look of it.
Oh, hang on, you were insulting me again, rather than actually making a valid point.
So true. So true. So true that it hurts... because I laughed so hard.
I wonder how many others are clear headed as this guy?
compare Apple to a BMW? Give me a break....
It would be legal as long as they didn't include instructions on pirating the OS.
Where do I begin? This isn't even apples and oranges, you're comparing apples and hand grenades.
If you buy a copy of Leopard and install it on ONE computer, be it an Apple branded computer or a bunch of Intel components you bought/put together yourself, most courts would say you are well within your rights.
If you buy a copy of Leopard or Vista or any other software and install it on multiple machines, just about every court will agree that you've violated copyright.
There is a huge difference between buying a piece of software and using it on one computer as opposed to buying a piece of software and freely copying it as much as you want.
Generally EULAs are found non-enforceable when used for consumer (B2C) type sales, unless the EULA is reasonably understandable for the average person - in the UK that means being written in plain English (not lawyer english), not being unreasonable (hand over firstborn, etc) and not being too long.
For business relationships, they're enforceable. Businesses are assumed to have expertise to understand EULAs and abide by them.
This is why I think that this company selling the computers with Leopard (and iLife?) preinstalled is treading on thin ice. However selling a computer that the end user could install the software on themselves seems fairly safe to me.
What's even funnier is that ppl always say that Leopard costs so little while Vista was so expensive. What they don't realize was that they initially paid hundreds more to get the right to even INSTALL leopard. $1000 for the right to use leopard, then $99 upgrades from that point forward. Then, Mac geeks compare that $99 to Vista's $200 and say that Vista is a rip off.
Not that I like Vista. I have 3 Macs and 1 XP machine at home. Vista is the devil.
And I'm extremely embarrassed for individuals such as yourself that don't see anything wrong with what you're advocating. And you justify it with Apple having billions so it's ok.
The mini will eventually get updated, replaced or removed from Apple's lineup and it won't have anything to do with what you think. Hell, I want a new iMac with a matte screen but Apple doesn't make one.
This is BS! If i were you i wouldnt waste my time. Like most people have already pointed out if they pre install leopard they are going to have a lawsuit on their hands. Plus you can never go wrong with a real genuine Mac.
You really need to pay a visit to the Apple discussion boards before spouting off.
Well my friend before you start pointing the evil finger at Apple for their computer line lacking upgradability (Except Mac Pro) take a look at Sony's entire line and tell me if you can find even ONE desktop tower? All Sony makes now are iMac style desktops and lappys. As time goes by Dell will be following that path as well leaving their desktop towers to the Alienware line.
Now while I agree Apple needs to either step up the Mac mini with some jaw-dropping specs or produce a headless iMac I don't agree with the stupid clone.
I say to you: this isn't a "wannabe" mini. This is a low-end tower. Which Apple at the moment does not offer. Sue me for wanting a tower with an upgradable (hell, even decent) graphics card that does not cost $2500.
As soon as Apple offers an equivalent machine, I'd buy it. But until then...Anyways, this whole issue is going to become moot, anyway. As somebody said, the site as down, and according to Fake Steve, "Psystar -- that's a French word meaning "we're about to go out of business.""
Now in black.
Still as ugly.
Doesn't quite match the slick apple hardware quotes.
It may not look like something Apple designed...but as a normal desktop computer, the case does look nice.
Apple bought NeXT from SJ for the OS.
The NeXT OS is the foundation for Mac OS X.
SJ introduced iMac which saved Apple's bacon.
SJ eliminated the confusing array of sub-par products in Apple's lineup.
SJ squashed PPC and brought about Intel Macs (capable of running Windows).
SJ brought us iTunes.
SJ brought us the iPod.
SJ brought us the iPhone.
The short equation would be: Mac OS X = SJ =
Oh, and Apple got $$$. Incidentally, so did professionals using Apple hardware and wise investors in AAPL.
It would actually be more like: Mac OS X + SJ =