western digital, im literally using it right now in my computer running vista ultimate. better question to ask is, what motherboard are they using?
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'OpenMac' Promises $399 Headless Mac... But Not From Apple
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western digital, im literally using it right now in my computer running vista ultimate. better question to ask is, what motherboard are they using?
Regardless of wether the product is legal or not, developments like this may push Apple to start inserting more methods to protect OS X. IE: what if like Windows we had to find and type a product key each time we install Mac OS on our bona-fide Macs..
Could you imagine Apple Genuine Advantage?
Some pressure is fine, but please, don't push Apple too far.
Could you imagine Apple Genuine Advantage?
Some pressure is fine, but please, don't push Apple too far.
The EULA argument will never cease. If you write software, you have the right to determine how it is used and you can prevent (legally) it from being used in a non approved manor.
If you can't rap your noodle around this fact, then ask how a software company can release an application in a free version for non-commercial use. They determine how it can be used (they wrote it and you agree; If not, return it), and they don't have to have an 'upgrade' model to win a case. And before you comment, read a EULA, be a software developer, own a software company or at least speak with a software licensing attorney.
Mis-information. It _is_ optionally pre-installed with Leopard.
I agree. As I have said so many times before this, complaining on this forum always comes down to price. I have sold so many Mac's on Craigslist to those who can't afford a new Mac. I am sure there is a happy Mac fan upgrading in your area.
I can't even imagine why someone would want all of the crap from the PC world swirling around inside of a well made fine piece of machinery. Good luck with that.
Sorry Arn to disagree.
Being a "middle man" doesn't exempt you from a EULA, especially when there isn't a reseller option. Every user who has, touches or purchases OS X is an end-user.
Please use common sense here. Apple will and has the right to protect its brand. At the lowest point, Apple can prevent you from using the terms "Leopard", "OS X", "Mac", "Apple", etc. in most contexts.
My guess, this will be over shortly. And I pity all those who's heart even palpitated over the headline.
the point behind apple computers is to be overpriced i guess? that company is swimming in money, i hate fanboys. i prefer not to be a fanboy and say everyone sucks.
I'm not sure I understand what you disagree with.
I agree that their pre-install Leopard could get them sued.... BUT... if they offer the machine alone without Leopard, I don't see how Apple could stop them. They'd have to go after users individually, which I don't see happening.
And despite what you wrote, the EULA is not as clear cut as you imply. There is a lot of legal ambiguity to it.
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It's a 3.5" desktop drive innit?....
One way would be to find if the EFI emulator contains Apple code or contravenes DMCA.
Observations:
1. It's quite possible and easy to build a box, even with a very upscale case, which blows away Apple's hardware specs and still be substantially cheaper than what Apple charges.
2. So long as the hardware falls within the range supported by Leopard, then except for the kernel and a few other odds and ends, it is by definition a Leopard-capable system. In this sense, there are a stupefyingly large number of Leopard-compatible computers being sold by PC system and parts vendors every single year.
3. As I see it, the only difference between PsyStar and any other PC system or component vendor is PsyStar marketing this as an alternative to Apple's own hardware as a conduit for running Leopard, et al. That's it. I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a pretty thin line for Apple to totally rely on.
4. Excluding the EULA, the only other issue I would see would be the legality of how the modified components supplied on these systems (for the purpose of getting Leopard to install and run) were brought into existence.
5. Surely Apple had to recognize when they switched to x86 that this was going to happen.
6. Enforceability and legalities of EULAs are somewhat open questions, as pointed out upthread.
As Yoda once said, "Always in motion is the future." And he was right.
1. It's quite possible and easy to build a box, even with a very upscale case, which blows away Apple's hardware specs and still be substantially cheaper than what Apple charges.
2. So long as the hardware falls within the range supported by Leopard, then except for the kernel and a few other odds and ends, it is by definition a Leopard-capable system. In this sense, there are a stupefyingly large number of Leopard-compatible computers being sold by PC system and parts vendors every single year.
3. As I see it, the only difference between PsyStar and any other PC system or component vendor is PsyStar marketing this as an alternative to Apple's own hardware as a conduit for running Leopard, et al. That's it. I'm no lawyer, but it seems like a pretty thin line for Apple to totally rely on.
4. Excluding the EULA, the only other issue I would see would be the legality of how the modified components supplied on these systems (for the purpose of getting Leopard to install and run) were brought into existence.
5. Surely Apple had to recognize when they switched to x86 that this was going to happen.
6. Enforceability and legalities of EULAs are somewhat open questions, as pointed out upthread.
As Yoda once said, "Always in motion is the future." And he was right.
True, of course Apple/Mac isn't technically a monopoly, but it behaves monopolistically towards consumers who choose to operate its OS. By splitting hairs, you over-look the point of my comment. (Do you watch a lot lawyer t.v. shows?)
Uhh, I've got one in my computer. Granted it's not 250, but actually 225, but we all know how that goes...
This is not nice. Apple almost died when they allowed 3d party clones back in the 90s, so I do not support this company's initiative to bring them back. We all want a healthy, thriving Apple, this is just shortsighted profit-making by this Psysys company and very, very uncool.
I doubt Apple even cares.
It's very clear that this product will never make it out of the hacker world, and in no way going to compete directly with Apple's current products or steal any customers.
OpenMac simply isn't offering anything that's not currently available, except perhaps the option to preinstall leopard.
How many people really want a mac system with limited functionality, limited warranty, limited updates, etc.? Saving $200 is hardly worth the headaches it's certain to bring.
It's very clear that this product will never make it out of the hacker world, and in no way going to compete directly with Apple's current products or steal any customers.
OpenMac simply isn't offering anything that's not currently available, except perhaps the option to preinstall leopard.
How many people really want a mac system with limited functionality, limited warranty, limited updates, etc.? Saving $200 is hardly worth the headaches it's certain to bring.
Correct; it's called a lease. And therefor you must abide by the terms of the agreement or the lease is revoked and continued use will be in violation.
Our company has issued many legal notices in this regard for reverse engineering, code altering, patching, hacking, etc.
We've also received a few letters on occasion from legal departments in the same regard. It's business, and the way it should be.
It all comes down to a bunch of hippies who want something for nothing.
Write some software and have some cheap punks steal, patch and hack your software while you scratch your head trying to make ends meet.
In this case, it is the exact same thing. Making a cheap knock-off of a quality product to appease those who should be shopping at Dell.com.
Apple should make these guys open their wallets and defend their actions in court.
I don't get it.... if you even think this is something good, you might as well just build your own PC OSX86 box. Doesn't seem like you are getting too much, I mean, fully decked out is right over $1000.
You get a 2.6 GHz, 400GB, 8600GT, 3 FW400 ports, OS X (sans iLife), and 4GB of RAM. Who knows what the power supply is like, how great the RAM is and if it's possible to overclock the processor.
It'd be smarter to spend $1700 and get a ASUS SLI Mobo with overclocking options, Intel 3.0 GHz that overclocks to 4.0 GHz, a 750 GB Samsung HD, 9800 GTX with 512 MB RAM, OCZ 4GB of RAM, Lian Li case for future upgrades, 1000W power supply and DVD Lightscribe burner. Then just pirate OS X. Might as well right....
I mean c'mon, you are basically going against EULA and Apple by getting the Psystar anyways, but your customize options are crappy.
Either way, I'd rather just spend my money buying from Apple, the right way. It's their products and services, they choose to sell them how they want. Sorry that not everyone is able to enjoy them. I have no problem spending money for a MacBook or MacBook Pro.
You get a 2.6 GHz, 400GB, 8600GT, 3 FW400 ports, OS X (sans iLife), and 4GB of RAM. Who knows what the power supply is like, how great the RAM is and if it's possible to overclock the processor.
It'd be smarter to spend $1700 and get a ASUS SLI Mobo with overclocking options, Intel 3.0 GHz that overclocks to 4.0 GHz, a 750 GB Samsung HD, 9800 GTX with 512 MB RAM, OCZ 4GB of RAM, Lian Li case for future upgrades, 1000W power supply and DVD Lightscribe burner. Then just pirate OS X. Might as well right....
I mean c'mon, you are basically going against EULA and Apple by getting the Psystar anyways, but your customize options are crappy.
Either way, I'd rather just spend my money buying from Apple, the right way. It's their products and services, they choose to sell them how they want. Sorry that not everyone is able to enjoy them. I have no problem spending money for a MacBook or MacBook Pro.
Gee, I come over from Windows to Mac, only to find the desire for cheap, ugly boxes that require constant tweaking to make it work correctly isn't a Windows phenomena, but a psychological condition that must be treated and cured.
Seriously folks, if you want to do this kind of stuff, then I would recommend you look at one (or more) of the many Linux distros and go to town with all the available hardware out there. What you'll find is that you can build a decent box that works great, with no worries of legality issues, or whether the next iteration of the OS breaks what you have.
Why anybody would spend dollar one on this thing is beyond me.
Seriously folks, if you want to do this kind of stuff, then I would recommend you look at one (or more) of the many Linux distros and go to town with all the available hardware out there. What you'll find is that you can build a decent box that works great, with no worries of legality issues, or whether the next iteration of the OS breaks what you have.
Why anybody would spend dollar one on this thing is beyond me.
BRING IT ON.....!
HEADLESS MAC for GAMES and PERSONAL SERVER
I am happy to hear this, and hope that it works out.
HEADLESS MAC for GAMES and PERSONAL SERVER
I am happy to hear this, and hope that it works out.
yeah you speak knowledge, i want a mac but the premium is high but i still plan on buying a macbook pro befor college but im waiting till las minute, i would liek this computer to screw around with thou. ti would be great to learn leopard befor hand and not pay through the noise for crap hardware (mac mini)
Sorry; I should have stated partially disagree.
I agree with you that if the hardware is sold alone without reference to Apple or it's products they will be free to do so. The future success of it will definitely be in question, but would be free from legal consequences.
EULA's are definitely convoluted, but the mis-information (spread by many) that an EULA is just some text protected by a software company's deep pockets is rather ridiculous.
At least what they're preaching is feasible... I just built this hackintosh yesterday:
http://appleguru.org/hackintosh2.png
I used my macbook pro with my retail leopard disc to do the install to my hackintosh's HDD.. Swapped out a couple of kexts (namely, replaced AppleSMBios.kext, installed dsmos.kext, added NVInject for video and patched the AppleHDA.kext for sound), and installed pc_efi v8 to the HDD (which is GUID partitioned).
Running the retail kernel and everything else; ran all updates from software update no problems.
Specs are as follows:
-Dell Inspiron 530
-3GB Ram
-250GB HDD
-NVIDIA 6200LE 256MB
-Netgear GA311 GiGE Ethernet
-2x extra eSATA ports via sil3132 card
-Integrated Sound (Realtek ALC888)
-Quad Core Intel Q6600 OC'd to 3.0GHz
-24" Dell E248WFP @ 1920x1200
Runs very well!
http://appleguru.org/hackintosh2.png
I used my macbook pro with my retail leopard disc to do the install to my hackintosh's HDD.. Swapped out a couple of kexts (namely, replaced AppleSMBios.kext, installed dsmos.kext, added NVInject for video and patched the AppleHDA.kext for sound), and installed pc_efi v8 to the HDD (which is GUID partitioned).
Running the retail kernel and everything else; ran all updates from software update no problems.
Specs are as follows:
-Dell Inspiron 530
-3GB Ram
-250GB HDD
-NVIDIA 6200LE 256MB
-Netgear GA311 GiGE Ethernet
-2x extra eSATA ports via sil3132 card
-Integrated Sound (Realtek ALC888)
-Quad Core Intel Q6600 OC'd to 3.0GHz
-24" Dell E248WFP @ 1920x1200
Runs very well!
Design is important in some cases, not all. With my MBP, yes. With an iMac, yes. With an iPhone, yes. With a tower that sits under my desk and I never see, no. I like using macs because I like OS X, the sleek hardware is just a very nice bonus (just an opinion). This looks like it would require some osx86 knowledge to keep it running, which sounds like a fun learning experience to me. I hope no one thinks that this is the next huge thing, all this company is doing is putting the osx86 hardware components together for you.
On another note, I think this will be such a small fish that Apple won't even bother. I doubt many of these will sell, but more power to them. I might even buy one myself when I see some reviews first
On another note, I think this will be such a small fish that Apple won't even bother. I doubt many of these will sell, but more power to them. I might even buy one myself when I see some reviews first
At least the computer isn't an ugly beige box. But I agree, they're screwed as long as they still install Leopard themselves. I smell a Cease and Desist coming soon.
I built a homebrew pc with that same case. It uses a micro atx board (limited space) and the cooling was bad. How can they imagine stuffing an 8800 GT or GTX cards in that... thing? also the drive bay doors are a cheaply made.
If you're gonna be the maverick and challenge apple to open up OS X, then at least show them a rig that has quality instead of bits of plastic, silicon and aluminum.
your missing the point, they are selling you the complete pc and beating apples price by allot, its the cheapest mac available dude! and some of the stuff u mentioned migth not work with leopard, this thing is guarenteed tow okr caus it uses crap that apple uses.
Agreed. Apple has ignored the gaping hole between Mac mini and Mac Pro for way too long (google "xMac").
I don't get it either. Unless it's someone who only likes Mac apps but hasn't got much money.
I want a quad core system for under a g with dedicated graphics! Apple doesn't sell what i want, i own several macs, but they always use over priced mobile hardware. I don't mind it being a little larger and using cheaper more powerful parts.
If this mini update doesn't come soon with something in this category i will be pursuing the infamous hackintosh.
Now if anyone is listening and wants to sell me a tested and proven combo for a bit of a markup ...... of course i would prefer a supported system from apple, but really, enough is enough, and the time is near !!!
If this mini update doesn't come soon with something in this category i will be pursuing the infamous hackintosh.
Now if anyone is listening and wants to sell me a tested and proven combo for a bit of a markup ...... of course i would prefer a supported system from apple, but really, enough is enough, and the time is near !!!