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Opera 10.50 Beta for Mac Released, Performs Well in JavaScript Benchmarks

Opera has always been one of the slowest, clunkiest and less website-compatible browser on any platform.

I hope that with the Webkit engine it will truly improve, because otherwise it's a great browser.
 
Diversification is Good

Although I am lazy when it comes to my browsers, I like the democratization of multiple browser options. I only wish we could get the Windows world off of Internet Explorer! That would sure help webdevs and, maybe, force MS to acknowledge the rest of the internet. This new Opera looks great, especially the acceptance of HTML 5.
 
Lost passwords, bookmarks

I just tried Opera 10.5 and have lost all my bookmarks and passwords from 10.10. Anyone happen to know where they're stored? I have for Opera folders in App Support, but nothing in any of them seem to be passwords or bookmarks.
 
It doesn't look as refined as the screenshots. The bad shadows, poor quality thumbnail scaling, and it crashed when I just had two tabs open for 5-10mins. I know it's a beta - might take a look again when the final release is done.
 
001 did you use Opera Link or is it just that the install of Opera 10.5 didn't import all the old Bookmarks?
The latter is always true as it is still a Beta it doesn't update the old one but runs completely seperate. You can still synchronize over Opera Link or you can copy the User Data. I don't know where it is stored on OSX.

@IntelliUser
As a matter of fact Opera has been around for a long time. It is older than Firefox or Webkit. It has held the performance Crown for a long time. The old JavaScript Engine was slower simply because it was optimized to use less memory and less resources unlike the new one. It was for a long time the fastest Browser and never had problems running on slower machines unlike Safari for Windows, which is Resource hog that simply is too much for a Penitum M or CULV Computer.
BTW Opera was also the Company that inventend Tabbed Browsing, Speed Dial(aka Top Sites) and so on.

@everybody else
While Safari for Windows is imo useless as Chrome is better and offers as much functionality. Opera evolved around a different concept.
Chrome, Safari are the simple Browser. You take and use them the way they come and don't expect much beside maybe speed.
Firefox has all the Addons behind itself. And some of them are very useful. It is as a platform though comparably inefficient. More Addons slow it down, and they run next to each other thus each addon adds to the workload and especially the startup time (which deteriorates fast with more Addons compared to Chrome or Opera and Safari sucks for no reason in this department)
Opera has no Addons (there are Widgets and User JavaScript but that is not the same thing). Opera is easy to individualize. If you just take it with default settings it is okay but you can use Chrome too. The point is that it is easier and much faster too change a lot in the way the Browser works. Unlike Safari you can change almost every behavior and still you don't have to dive into configs as complicated as the ones form Firefox.
Unlike Firefox it also incorporates a lot of functionality without making it slow through better integration.
I would say the major strengthes are that Opera has the most efficient and easiest to adapt User Interface. That only makes a difference if you can use the features and know about some of them. It is a Browser for those who know their stuff and not much better for noobs or wannabe Pros than Chrome or Safari.

IMO one of the behavior other Browser really should copy from Opera is the intext search. If you press . it is the same as ctrl+F which you can change in other Browser too but when the search field is on a Link and you press Return it klicks the Link. Most Browser simply jump to the next appearance of the same search string, but make you use the mouse to click the link.
If you are a good typist you can navigate complex webpages like ebay so much faster without using anything but the keyboard.
Also FastForward is something every Browser should have.

Opera's focus was always on makeing web browsing more efficient doing the same just faster, and the page rendering time is nothing even on slow PCs compared to how much speed faster navigation brings you.

As you might expect I am a long time Opera User. But I also use Chrome and Firefox. I also tested Safari on Windows twice but I believe it is the worst and slowest. I want to buy one of the new MBP if nothing unexpected happens. I think OSX has a better UI than Windows and with Opera as a Browser it should be almost perfect.
 
As far as browsers with lots of built in utility I choose Omniweb over Opera any day. I switched from Omniweb to Safari though a while back due to the Omni Group pretty much stopping major development on it due to lack of resources. Opera never has and probably never will run like a Mac app.
 
I sure wish Opera would figure out how to implement more CSS 3 elements, like simple rounded corners...

not sure why simple CSS3 implementation is still lacking in an otherwise fine browser...
 
HiRez said:
Sounds cool, I just think Opera faces a huge uphill climb trying to gain traction on Safari, Firefox, and Chrome.
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Actually, Opera has never grown faster than right now. The growth of their user base on the desktop accelerated even more when Chrome was released. Go figure. But Opera is growing fast.

macduke said:
Though honestly, from a marketing standpoint, I feel like they shouldreinvent their brand. When I think of Opera, I think of Netscape, old, clunky, inefficient, etc.
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Really? That's very odd since Opera has always been the smallest, fastest browser.

hitekalex said:
OK, more choices are good.. buy is there really a need for another MacOS browser? With Safari, Firefox, and Chrome - I am afraid there is simply no room for Opera in the desktop browser market.
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Sure there is. They keep doubling their user base every two years. It's funny that Mac users are saying silly stuff like that. Is there not room for Apple in the PC market because of its low market share?

If I was Opera, I'd focus on mobile platforms and try to break through into iPhone/iPad, where they can offer some differentiation with Flash support etc.
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Why would they drop the desktop version when it makes up more than 1/3 of their total revenue, and growing? Their desktop revenue is growing by something like 50-100% every single quarter.
 
Stridder44 said:
Maybe that's because it's in beta.
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I realize that this is only a beta, but there has to be a reasonable level of usability with a publicly released beta. Who is going to help Opera work out the kinks if it crashes every 5 minutes? I certainly won't.
 
IntelliUser said:
Opera has always been one of the slowest, clunkiest and less website-compatible browser on any platform.
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That's just crazy talk. Opera has always been the smallest, fastest browser with the most responsive UI.

I hope that with the Webkit engine it will truly improve, because otherwise it's a great browser.
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Opera is not using WebKit. It's still using Presto.

Crown said:
I realize that this is only a beta, but there has to be a reasonable level of usability with a publicly released beta. Who is going to help Opera work out the kinks if it crashes every 5 minutes? I certainly won't.
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It clearly doesn't crash every 5 minutes for everyone. So why don't you report this bug with your specific system so that they can fix it?
 
iPrep said:
It clearly doesn't crash every 5 minutes for everyone. So why don't you report this bug with your specific system so that they can fix it?
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I did, but I'm done with it until the next update. Not only did it crash repeatedly on a number of different websites, it was slow to load, and unresponsive to clicks and scrolls.
 
Wow, I just gave it a spin, and the performance of this thing is ABYSMAL. It is not ready for beta testing. Period.

All preference windows (or basically any window besides the main browser window) start out completely blank, except for the titlebar and default button. You must then hunt around with your mouse, or start hitting the Tab key, until individual UI elements start getting drawn. If you can find a tab bar, that's best, since switching to another tab will redraw all the contents of the window.

Any mouse clicks take at least the better part of a second to take effect. Yeah, fastest browser indeed.

A much less serious issue is that the option to show page loading progress "in" the address bar wasn't what I expected. From how they worded it, it sounded like the URL field would "fill up", Safari 1-thru-3-style. Instead, it was simply replaced wholesale with two little progress bars with text labels beside them, then reappeared when the page finished loading. Should've said "in place of the address bar" or something along those lines.

Welp...looks like Safari still has no real competition on OS X unless you're willing to settle for Firefox. Kinda disappointing.
 
kinda laggy while scrolling
Opera used to be my favorite browser when I was on windows platform. I used that software for more than 8 years

hoping a better version final
 
Just ran the sunspider java script test on this bad boy, Safari 4.04: 900ms and Opera 10.5b1: 811ms, damn that is impressive coming from Opera.
Now to see how it handles in day to day use!
 
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