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Opera Browser Not Allowed in iPhone App Store

I agree but..

NT1440 said:
well, it does violate the SDK, im not sure why anyone would think its allowed...
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Yes definitely agree. It does suck though very much because of all the cool things Apple has released to date I do believe the worst of all them is Safari. On windows, mac, and the iPhone safari is a terrible browser. It is plain and boring and slow. On the iPhone especially it crashes so much. I would love to have the option. Personally I really like google's Chrome browser it is fast and I love how you can drag the tabs (which look like folder tabs) on and off the window to seperate them from eachother. My dad prefers Firefox, my sister likes, IE7, I like Chrome, My friends use a mixture of those 3 but I believe Safari is really bad. Especially on the iPhone. So if you are going to force us to use the browser lets work on making it better huh. Fix the crashing first.
 
right now, the safari iphone browser is both a device and a browser

if they let multiple browsers develop for the iphone, then anyone coding a site to be compatible with iphones would then have to start testing compatibility in MORE browsers, thats a pain.
 
This is pretty disgusting behavior from apple.

Oh noes... someone has made a browser that's better than ours, instead of constructively improving ours, we'll sabotage the competition by banning it.

Conflict of interest imo. Microsoft gets in trouble for bundling IE and WMP on their windows platform, but apple is allowed to prevent the competition from running at all?

The EU's gonna get rich.
 
SoybeanStasher said:
I want an alternative simply because Mobile Safari is the most crash-prone browser ever. I read a lot of forums and blogs and something about the large page sizes causes lots of problems. If someone else can put something out that's more stable, more power to 'em.
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I doubt Opera will be the crash resistant wonder browser you are hoping for.
In fact I would be willing to bet that Opera would have many more issues than Safari on the iPhone platform.
 
Funplex said:
C'mon Apple-- what are you afraid of? A browser that actually gets the job done?

Apparently so.

If they're gonna block browsers, they need to get Flash support for Safari on the touch, otherwise-- quit blocking useful apps.
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Umm.... can anyone point to a better article.
The guy interveiwed said that Apple wouldn't allow it because it competes.

If that's true then it sucks.

but they never said they even submitted it for approval.
if it was rejected then on what grounds.
the not very descriptive / lame "duplicates function" or something else?

As has been pointed out there are a few odd, strange or dangerous thinks going on with Opera Mini and it's Proxy Server Processing. Or that it allowed 4th party Code execution. So there are many possible reasons for rejection here.

How do we really know anything in this case other than the throw away line?

Apple didn't help itself it a few early cases with suspect rejections. In this case I see nothing other than a guy trying to ride the bandwagon.
 
NT1440 said:
So you want Apple to not be like M$, by implementing their methods of accepting and supporting anything that comes its way??????
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"not be like M$" ...What?
If you're refering to their past practices, I guess yes. YES, Apple should be striving to not be like MS was in the PAST (over 10 years ago). To not make the same mistakes. I'm pretty sure that ever since then, MS has had to walk on eggshells with nearly everything they do in order to avoid another lawsuit. And I'd be willing to bet that it (the lawsuit/fear of another one) had a huge impact on the decision to include all the DRM BS that users have to put up with in Vista, as well as stifling productivity and innovation.

So yeah, I'd like to see Apple learn from the antitrust lawsuit that MS had to go through, and support competition.
Especially since they maintain a new revolutionary micro-economy with their app store.

I mean, people got sandy vaginae when MS tried to claim their browser was deeply integrated into the OS, and merely gave incentives to EOMs to ship with IE preinstalled.
So yes, it astounds me that when Apple does not only THE SAME on the mobile-phone platform (instead of the desktop) but not only pressures competitors out of the market, but OUTRIGHT REFUSES them.
So in this case apple is doing much worse. They aren't just shoveling sand, they're back-hoeing GRAVEL.

But even more astounding is that even with this blatant anti-competitive practice there are people(fanbois) willing to roll-over, spread'em wide and cry:
"MORE gravel Apple, MORE! I like it and I HATE having options! Do my thinking FOR me! MORE!!". (I'm still waiting for someone to explain that one. :rolleyes:)


// Loves my iPhone
/// Has experienced FAR more crashes with Safari on my iPhone than Opera or Firefox on ANY other platform (mobile-phone or otherwise).
//// Understands that when development is driven by necessity rather than profit-margins, the users WIN and software quality&features improve much faster.
///// Understands most fan-bois are too young to even remember(letalone understand) the big antitrust suit.
 
thulsmans said:
This goes a little to far. Some people bought this phone for having a "full" web browser. Safari doesn't do that. It lacks Flash. Now a Company took the time, resources effort to put together a browser that would make the iphone user base happier and apple rejects it because it is essentially better than its one.

Then again Apple made the app store apple should be able to run it the way they choose
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Where did you get the idea that the Opera mini submitted to the App Store had Flash? In all sense, the only difference Opera would be from Safari would be the Javascript interpreter and the looks.

If it did, then it makes more sense it gets rejected...not only does the Javascript violate the SDK, but so would Flash.
 
Apps should never be rejected from the App Store because they "overlap existing functionality" or compete with Apple's own offerings. That's an admission that their product is inferior and can't stand up to competition, which is just a sad statement for Apple to be making, I used to think they had more pride in their work than that.
 
Hawkeye411 said:
If Apple is not going to allow other browsers on the iPhone, they should, at the very least, FIX Safari!!!!! :mad:
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Hear hear!
If they aren't going to allow others to raise the bar, they should have AT LEAST set it higher than what's currently out there, and MAINTAIN it.
 
jbernie said:
If it wasn't for the App Store i would be agreeing with you 100%. If the only Apps put on the iPhone/Touch were from Apple (either at original install or added through updates pushed from Apple) then we would have no ability to argue against their decisions, once they added the App Store and then decided to selectively allow publishers to offer their applications it becomes a mess.
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The App Store has the SDK........


It allows people to get their apps on the device, as long as it complies with their rules. You dont like their rules, no ones making you play the game, you can not publish your app/take it jailbreak/go to a different device.
 
djdole said:
Hear hear!
If they aren't going to allow others to raise the bar, they should have AT LEAST set it higher than what's currently out there, and MAINTAIN it.
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And theres no doubt that safari will continually get better, you just have to wait for new firmware. Apple works at apples pace.
 
What Apple needs to do...

What apple needs to do, is to provide users with the ability to install apps on the phone without going through the App store.
That way users can install whatever they like, and Apple can still filter the 'quality' of the content they host through their store.
(Of course I'm using 'quality' loosely...*cough*flashlight,iBeer,DarkKnight*cough*)
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F138 Safari/525.20)

dammit, Apple, what the hell is wrong with having a better browser available for iPhone? I like my touch, but I think it's biggest flaw is Safari. It quits randomly when I'm in the middle of reading something, which is more than annoying. I would welcome another browser-- even something like Opera-- with open arms.
 
NT1440 said:
And theres no doubt that safari will continually get better, you just have to wait for new firmware. Apple works at apples pace.
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Very true. Good point. :)
But if someone else can provide a better solution faster, then Apple shouldn't deny their users the option (and force them to wait 6+ months) just because of Apple's arrogance (in regards to their own software).

It always behooves a company to not underestimate the intelligence of their customers, but to make them happy by providing them with options to suit the wide array of personal preferences.
 
Boo Hoo who Cares? What is this? Somebody gonna call their mommy and tell her Apple isn't playing fair? Make your own iPhone and your own App Store and sell your stupid browser there. Opera stinks anyway.
 
finally finished reading all the posts from the previous pages. some serious FUD spreading.

* opera mini (the one likely ported to the iphone) does not do flash. never has, and possibly won't do anytime soon.

* nobody uses opera? heh, i know that everybody and their dog can express their uninformed opinion on a message boards, but that clearly runs for BS of the month. get a clue

i hope we have those cleared now.

as about opera mini being a proxy-based tech, well, nothing new under the sun - various mobile browsers have been doing this for ages, and nobody has been injured by that. more so that safari will always be the default browser to open links from within applications. so what's the harm if another regular, non-system-integrated application can too browse web content? - the fact that it is a damn-good browser, which could affect safari's google rating? again, not cool, apple, not cool.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F137 Safari/525.20)

I don't use opera it really doesn't effect me much, but if Apple keeps going down this path they are going to get sued by the EU among others.
 
I guess what irks me is that people, in their bashing of apples policies, are putting them up on a pedestal just like the fanboys are. This is the same kind of thing every company does, makes sure their products are given the edge. By complaining that apple does it singles them out, meaning for some reason you expected more from apple, which in turns means you somehow think they are better than other companies.

Fanboys, well thats just fanboyism.
 
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