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Oppo Introduces 10x Optical Zoom Triple-Camera Smartphone

bladerunner2000 said:
Yup, their product line has been painfully embarrassing since.
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Apple hasn’t imploded. Their revenues have generally been record breaking. The company valuation has soared toward $1T. So whatever your personal viewpoint of their product line the universe isn’t aligned with your viewpoint...unless one believes people will buy any old thing....
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nviz22 said:
Tim Cook is only good for the bottom line. However, they need someone to take over the product development side to balance both short term financials and long-term viability. Apple is teetering on a bad path with their overpriced phones.
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Pretty much a meme at this point about the bottom line. But if that’s what you believe that won’t change until TC is fired or leaves...the matter is more probable.

Additionally if one has the opinion apple’s phones are overpriced, then so are Samsung’s.
 
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I7guy said:
Apple hasn’t imploded. Their revenues have generally been record breaking. The company valuation has soared toward $1T. So whatever your personal viewpoint of their product line the universe isn’t aligned with your viewpoint...unless one believes people will buy any old thing....
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There's also a viewpoint that's not inconsistent with those facts and his views:
  1. The Apple brand is very strong
  2. Switching costs exist
  3. Network effects exist
  4. The ecosystem can be strong even if people agree that the individual discrete products are mediocre (a "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" thing)
I know you're more in favor of Apple than many, but you also know by this point that I'm a reasonable guy willing to measure and appreciate the pros and cons on things. I think we can agree that there's a chunk of long time diehard Apple users who are pretty peeved about the state of Apple products today.* Fair?


* Check out my fancy alliteration!
 
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I7guy said:
Apple hasn’t imploded. Their revenues have generally been record breaking. The company valuation has soared toward $1T. So whatever your personal viewpoint of their product line the universe isn’t aligned with your viewpoint...unless one believes people will buy any old thing....
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Pretty much a meme at this point about the bottom line. But if that’s what you believe that won’t change until TC is fired or leaves...the matter is more probable.

Additionally if one has the opinion apple’s phones are overpriced, then so are Samsung’s.
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Right, Samsung does charge too much. OnePlus is affordable. LG, Sony, HTC, Google also charge too much.

It’s pretty much an understanding that people know Cook is the CEO at the time of the trillion dollar valuation. But the innovation peaked with Jobs.
 
nviz22 said:
Right, Samsung does charge too much. OnePlus is affordable. LG, Sony, HTC, Google also charge too much.

It’s pretty much an understanding that people know Cook is the CEO at the time of the trillion dollar valuation. But the innovation peaked with Jobs.
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The innovation didn’t peak with Jobs...the company under Jobs turned out interesting products differently than Cooks’ interesting products. Innovation knows no limitations.
 
wigby said:
Super wide lenses are only useful for front facing selfie cameras with 4 or more people in the frame. I cannot think of a reason for ultra wide rear facing except for taking distorted pics of small interior spaces.
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Are you a millennial?

the future said:
This is absolutely not a 10x optical zoom. Actually, there is no zoom lens in this phone at all. There is a wide angle lens and a telephoto lens at a a focal length 10 times longer than the wide angle. Everything between 1x and 10x is interpolated via software.
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Yup, and that's not a real zoom. It's still a digital zoom and a poor simulation of a real zoom lens.

I find it hilarious that smartphone companies are trying so hard to employ all of this technological hanky-panky in order to simulate the features of real cameras that have existed for decades. Simulating zoom, shallow depth of field, and lighting effects is in no way the same, or even comparable, to doing it for real and with a real interchangeable lens camera.

By the way, 16mm-160mm is not 10x zoom. Anyone with a basic understanding of photography and focal length would know that.
 
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I7guy said:
The innovation didn’t peak with Jobs...the company under Jobs turned out interesting products differently than Cooks’ interesting products. Innovation knows no limitations.
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Cook's "interesting products" are less game changing that "Job's interesting products." What happened to Siri? She is cut-rate now. Look at that expensive piece of junk known as the HomePod?
 
the future said:
This is absolutely not a 10x optical zoom. Actually, there is no zoom lens in this phone at all. There is a wide angle lens and a telephoto lens at a a focal length 10 times longer than the wide angle. Everything between 1x and 10x is interpolated via software.
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There is no zoom lens in this phone ...
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You are quite correct. A zoom lens moves smoothly between focal lengths. However x10 telephoto is an achievement in the confines of a narrow body phone.
 
mozumder said:
Apple really should have added a super-wide-angle lens instead of a telephoto lens first. Super-wide-angle lenses are so much more useful than telephoto lenses.
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I actually prefer my portraits to look more authentic than having them all distorted at the edges.

If shooting still objects, I can always take a panorama or take a couple of images and stitch them together, making a wide angle photo + more megapixels count.
 
Gilligan's last elephant said:
We seem to have people suggesting that x10 zoom in a phone camera isn't innovation.
Beggars belief

Edit: Importantly, optical zoom.
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It's only innovation if Apple does it, come on get with the program!! I'm not sure people actually understand how hard it is to get that amount of optical zoom in such a small form factor. Also just like the pixel the use of software brings it all together to give impressive results in a smartphone.
 
wigby said:
Super wide lenses are only useful for front facing selfie cameras with 4 or more people in the frame. I cannot think of a reason for ultra wide rear facing except for taking distorted pics of small interior spaces.
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I was taking a photo of a sailing ship. I needed a wide angle lens to get all the ship and masts into the frame. When I walked backwards to achieve the same effect, tall lamp standards which were originally behind me came into view and ruined the photo.
 
john123 said:
Disagree strongly. The improvements have been impressive lately, but the very existence of the gap between what fits in the pocket and good DSLRs is exactly why the innovation continues. I will say this to the chagrin of professional photographers, but the notion that consumers should be able to get excellent quality photos across a variety of conditions should be axiomatic.

Today, there are still plenty of situations where the outcome isn't great, even on the latest technology. That fact means that by definition, the smartphone camera battles are NOT "all played out."
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I don't think they are played out in the labs, fabs and professional industries. I was just referring to the marketing and media. Digital shootouts and comparisons are just not getting the attention that they used to get from the average consumer because they know that whatever flagship phone they buy now will deliver "good enough" results.
 
john123 said:
There's also a viewpoint that's not inconsistent with those facts and his views:
  1. The Apple brand is very strong
  2. Switching costs exist
  3. Network effects exist
  4. The ecosystem can be strong even if people agree that the individual discrete products are mediocre (a "whole is greater than the sum of the parts" thing)
I know you're more in favor of Apple than many, but you also know by this point that I'm a reasonable guy willing to measure and appreciate the pros and cons on things. I think we can agree that there's a chunk of long time diehard Apple users who are pretty peeved about the state of Apple products today.* Fair?


* Check out my fancy alliteration!
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Agreed, there can a certain amount of inertia for those who want to switch, whereby the cost of switching is more than the cost of a new phone, tablet.

But I agree and it seems to me the long time diehard users seem to be the most vocal of the bunch.

(It’s been a while I had to look up alliteration...Peter Piper .....)
 
Gilligan's last elephant said:
I was taking a photo of a sailing ship. I needed a wide angle lens to get all the ship and masts into the frame. When I walked backwards to achieve the same effect, tall lamp standards which were originally behind me came into view and ruined the photo.
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I would recommend a drone for that shot. They're cheaper than any flagship smartphone and more versatile but I see your point.
 
nexusrule said:
If you read the article you would know the 10x zoom is expected in the next iPhone. It’s just a matter of the technology been ready now and the iPhone updates coming in September. And if you read the article you would also know the Oppo phone is expected in at least a couple of months, so it’s more a matter of 4-5 months than your 8 years .
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I’m not sure Apple’s planning a 10x telephoto lens, or how useful it would be.
 
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