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Oracle Now Bundling Ask.com Adware With Java for Mac
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Good thing Apple still provides the Java 6 runtime and JDK.
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1. Computer Science 61B at UC Berkeley (or any CS class that involves Java)
2. Minecraft
Definitely a much smaller list than what it used to be.
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Yet there's always someone who defends Eclipse. I don't get it. I've used Eclipse for years, and I hate it. Even ignoring the clunkiness, it's still garbage because it takes so long to launch and crashes much more often than it should.
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1. Computer Science 61B at UC Berkeley (or any CS class that involves Java)
2. Minecraft
Definitely a much smaller list than what it used to be.
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Yet there's always someone who defends Eclipse. I don't get it. I've used Eclipse for years, and I hate it. Even ignoring the clunkiness, it's still garbage because it takes so long to launch and crashes much more often than it should.
I forgot Java even still existed. I have not had a webpage that has needed it in 2 years minimum. Neither of my machines have it installed.
Still waiting for the day Flash gets a swift kick in a$$ out the door. I'll be so happy that day.
Still waiting for the day Flash gets a swift kick in a$$ out the door. I'll be so happy that day.
Be happy that you have that luxury. In my company I need to use several applications on a daily basis that run on Java, so I am not that lucky. And it's no consolation that Java generally sucks on all platforms, because it definitely sucks the most on the Mac.
Dude, you definitely live in a non-business, non-corporate dream world, and you definitely mistake both technologies for something that is only used in websites.
Ever played "Rebuild" on iOS? That game is available in the App Store and it is written in Flash. Same goes for "Robokill" on OS X. Or "Machinarium".
Ever used "Cyberduck"? It's in the OS X App Store, too. And it's entirely written in Java. (CyberDuck actually has an Open Source Java VM integrated into its App bundle.)
Then there is this thing called VMware vCenter that is a bread and butter software for my company... And guess what: It's built entirely on Flash AND Java. It's an extremely strategic tool for VMware by VMware, and I doubt that they will ever re-write it just to do anyone the favor to get rid off Flash and Java.
Have you ever used a commercial VoIP PBX? Guess what most applications for these things are written in. Hint: It's not only an island or an American colloquial expression for coffee, it's actually also a software platform and a programming language.
Have you heard of certain cloud-based file sharing software solutions like SeaFile? Guess what they use... Heck, even Photoshop CS3 for the Mac required Java to be installed (I don't know if that has changed with later versions).
Neither Flash nor Java are going away any time soon. Because despite what most people tend to believe, both are platforms that allow developers to write OS- and hardware-independent software and that alone is reason enough for most coders to use them. And if it weren't for Flash and Java, the Mac would have even less business software than it has today.
Times have changes since those days. Shows that they are resorting to this crap to raise extra money.
I agree is a reputational hit, but its also a $$$$ move. Shame.
Java can eat a D, seriously!
As if they don't have enough security problems as it is they start bundling crapware
They should be encouraging people to use Java not run away from it
As if they don't have enough security problems as it is they start bundling crapware
They should be encouraging people to use Java not run away from it
What's with the Java hate here?
While I don't like what Oracle is doing with Java, lots of companies use Java for critical backend services and Java is a very good language for that. And all Android devices run a Java derivative.
There exist some very good Java desktop applications also, such as the multi-platform IDEs from Jetbrains and Eclipse, certainly no 'soddy' programming.
Most people seem to know only know Java for the Java Applets and maybe Minecraft, but it has a lot more purposes.
While I don't like what Oracle is doing with Java, lots of companies use Java for critical backend services and Java is a very good language for that. And all Android devices run a Java derivative.
There exist some very good Java desktop applications also, such as the multi-platform IDEs from Jetbrains and Eclipse, certainly no 'soddy' programming.
Most people seem to know only know Java for the Java Applets and maybe Minecraft, but it has a lot more purposes.
Glad I don't need to install anything higher then Java 6 on one of my Mac computers at home. I have even forgoe not installing flash player on all my Macs when I clean installed 10.10.2. At work Java is used for our software build server and Java crashes all the time on that server. Unfortunately, at work we also need Eclispse for the IDE we run. It is slow starting up for sure.
Eclipse is not an Oracle product. Oracle's IDE is called NetBeans (and in my opinion is inferior to Eclipse).
Now that's just comical. C# is a Java clone, and Objective-C is an arcane mess. Even Apple knows this, which is why they replaced it with Swift (which is awesome).
Everyone please install the Ask software as Larry Ellison needs some jet fuel for his private planes.
Thank you the Oracle Corporation.
Thank you the Oracle Corporation.
Bingo. Java developer myself. If Java suddenly disappeared off the face of the planet, as so many people here seem to want, so many websites that they use daily would no longer function. Just because a website doesn't use Java on the client side, doesn't mean it's not used on the server side of things. And it's a good language for backend stuff.
Java isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You might not need it on your computer for anything, but Java itself is here to stay for a long time.
If you're not a software developer, then you don't need Java. If you are a software developer, you understand that all this Java bashing makes the visitors to this site look like uninformed idiots.
I'm not a developer and I was prompted to install it a while ago. I think at the time PS needed something, as did another app (DeltaWalker).
For certain things, have a relative who prints coupons and requires it for that...can't tell you how many times I've had to uninstall the ask.com garbage off her Windows machine.
Oracle is a despicable company. Over in Windows world their online installer (the default one) has the Ask installer embedded in it (be sure and uncheck the install options for ask during the install and your OK), but the full offline Windows installer does not (you have to hunt a little, but not much, on Oracle's site for it) - I always use that one to avoid this mess for Windows PC's.
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Java 7 is about to de-supported (end of life) by Oracle. (the normal updater will probably pull Java 8. You can still manually download latest 7 update.) Java 6 was de-supported two years ago.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html
While you can still get it from Apple, any usage should be carefully sandboxed from the general Internet. Apple isn't going to do any updates and eventually it will present more issues with the latest OS X.
There are more general usage apps ( Crashplan , Moneydance , etc.) around. For folks who primarily look in the Mac App store for solutions, yes there is a much smaller list.
Oracle nickel and diming doesn't help.
Editors ( and iDE) tend to always invoke potential flame war discussion threads. Typically, whatever programmers used first in depth becomes the "only way" and everything else is 'wrong' to some degree or another.
Emacs vs vi , Eclipse vs Netbeans vs JDeveloper , MS Visual studio vs ... , etc. etc.
Eclipse went open ( and expandable to other languages/tools ) sooner than most other Java IDEs. It built up a sizable base of users. More than a few of them are going to be first impression users. Similar folks who need broad language coverage will likely include many who will trade off start up time ( something don't do very often) with what they use much more often.
Oracle has two IDEs JDeveloper and Netbeans and multiple JVM implementations. If they simplified some of that perhaps they wouldn't have to nickel and dime folks with Ask toolbars. However, Oracle does love getting paid alot ( Larry has bigger boats to buy all the time ) . So probably not.
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