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Orange Announces UK iPhone Pricing

archipellago said:
yes but O2 works on other Phones...

try it first..?
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That means paying for a sim card and credit and possibly paying for having your existing phone unlocked (3, Orange and T Mobile SP Lock all of their handsets and O2 and Voda lock PAYG handsets) or for another handset. I think most people would (quite righty) baulk at this.
 
cjmillsnun said:
That means paying for a sim card and credit and possibly paying for having your existing phone unlocked (3, Orange and T Mobile SP Lock all of their handsets and O2 and Voda lock PAYG handsets) or for another handset. I think most people would (quite righty) baulk at this.
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I don't remember seeing "buy another O2 phone first because we might be a bit crap" in the iPhone adverts. 🙄
 
OllyW said:
I don't remember seeing "buy another O2 phone first because we might be a bit crap" in the iPhone adverts. 🙄
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Which was my point. Why should people have to??? The post I replied to mentioned trying O2 first..... Not always practical...
 
OllyW said:
I know, the post you answered quoted me. I was agreeing with you. 😉
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O2 give sim cards away..

a cheap nokia can be had for £20 with a £5 credit.

IMO a small price to pay before laying out c. £700+ on an iPhone that can't be used fully.

it isn't a fair test though, the Nokia will get and keep its' signal better! 😉
 
Becordial said:
I know the corps do it for business reasons, but I still don't understand why people don't get the iPhone unlocked and then make a separate decision about the carrier.

In Australia you can buy the phone unlocked from Apple and also get it from at least 3 or 4 major carriers on fair terms. If you don't like the network service at one of the carriers, whilst there might be some contractual obligations if you got a subsidised phone, it's easy to shift to a new network - often on a better deal.

The model of being forced to go with a network because they have the phone you want is insane, and does nothing to provoke real competition on price or service.
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The problem is that Australians also face with more expensive iphone plans.

No other first world country has 5 national carriers like in the UK --- that's makes UK very competitive, period. Getting the choice of buying the iphone from all the different carriers in Australia, while Australians in general face higher mobile tariffs --- doesn't improve the situation.
 
archipellago said:
O2 give sim cards away..

a cheap nokia can be had for £20 with a £5 credit.

IMO a small price to pay before laying out c. £700+ on an iPhone that can't be used fully.

it isn't a fair test though, the Nokia will get and keep its' signal better! 😉
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You really don't think before posting, do you?

What £20 Nokia is going to have 3G? That's the important thing we'd want to test. O2's voice coverage is actually excellent, it's just the 3G that's ****.
 
archipellago said:
O2 give sim cards away..

a cheap nokia can be had for £20 with a £5 credit.

IMO a small price to pay before laying out c. £700+ on an iPhone that can't be used fully.

it isn't a fair test though, the Nokia will get and keep its' signal better! 😉
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The cheap Nokia is likely to be GSM (2G) rather than UTMS/HSDPA (3G). Not a good test when you are considering a 3G phone.
 
Eh?

But really guys! What were you expecting from orange?
Unlimited mins and texts for £10 a month...?
I have been waiting also but i never expected anything other than what O2 have been offering....at least i dont have to jailbreak/unlock anymore...and i get to upgrade to 3GS..yey!!!!
 
samab said:
The problem is that Australians also face with more expensive iphone plans.

No other first world country has 5 national carriers like in the UK --- that's makes UK very competitive, period. Getting the choice of buying the iphone from all the different carriers in Australia, while Australians in general face higher mobile tariffs --- doesn't improve the situation.
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Actually if you include virtual networks, we have more than that.

It's going to drop by one when T-Mobile is folded into Orange.
 
cjmillsnun said:
Actually if you include virtual networks, we have more than that.

It's going to drop by one when T-Mobile is folded into Orange.
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Well actually if you include our virtual networks we currently have around 17 mobile operators. (But then we have 61 million people)

At this point we can't be sure that Orange UK and T-Mobile UK will merge. The deal was due to be signed by November and as far as I know this has not happened. Also any deal will still need to be cleared by both UK and EU competition authorities.
 
Orange confirmation

I've just spoken at length to Orange:

- 750mb is a fair use policy. This means they will not charge more or disconnect. They will send a letter to the customer if after many months the data useage massively exceeds this amount.
- They are 'hopeful' to inlcude Visual Voicemail from 10th November
- There is NO bundled WIFI access
- The prices are basically almost identical to O2
- Orange has a MUCH better 3G Network than O2 which is very poor

I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a price war with the iPhone but I guess demand is high enough to warrant the above tariffs and costs. I'm not too fussed about the lack of WIFI access because the Orange 3G network is good. However the lack of a competitive price has made me hold off from buying it yet for the wife!
 
jbee said:
I've just spoken at length to Orange:

- 750mb is a fair use policy. This means they will not charge more or disconnect. They will send a letter to the customer if after many months the data useage massively exceeds this amount.
- They are 'hopeful' to inlcude Visual Voicemail from 10th November
- There is NO bundled WIFI access
- The prices are basically almost identical to O2
- Orange has a MUCH better 3G Network than O2 which is very poor

I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a price war with the iPhone but I guess demand is high enough to warrant the above tariffs and costs. I'm not too fussed about the lack of WIFI access because the Orange 3G network is good. However the lack of a competitive price has made me hold off from buying it yet for the wife!
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1/ Orange 3g is rubbish for me
2/ Fair use policy can be enforced however they want, a call centre agents' words mean little.

3/ Lack of competitive price is down to one company only...... Apple..
 
jbee said:
I've just spoken at length to Orange:
- There is NO bundled WIFI access
I'm disappointed. I was hoping for a price war with the iPhone but I guess demand is high enough to warrant the above tariffs and costs. I'm not too fussed about the lack of WIFI access because the Orange 3G network is good. However the lack of a competitive price has made me hold off from buying it yet for the wife!
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Hi

I don't understand, what do you mean by "There is NO bundled WIFI access"?

You do get unlimited WIFI access via BT Openzone are we talking about two different things?

Alex
 
archipellago said:
1/ Orange 3g is rubbish for me
2/ Fair use policy can be enforced however they want, a call centre agents' words mean little.

3/ Lack of competitive price is down to one company only...... Apple..
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1) Fair enough

2) Agreed Orange can enforce the fair usage policy in whatever way they want. However fair usage policies are not new when it comes to mobile phone networks. (Unlimited never really means what it says)

Vodafone - In the terms and conditions that I have dated May'08 it states that..
Unlimited data has a fair usage policy of 500MB per month.
Unlimited texts has a fair usage policy of 3000 per month.
Unlimited Vodafone to Vodafone calls has a fair usage policy of 3000 mins per month.
Unlimited landline calls again 3000 mins per month.

O2 -With regards to data O2 unlimited policy for iPhone states "There is no limit on the monthly network usage. However if we feel that your activities are so excessive that other customers are detrimentally affected, we may give you a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, if the levels of activity do not immediately decrease after the warning, we may terminate or suspend your Services."

In other words if we are a mobile phone network and we say unlimited anything we don't really mean that. We reserve the right to charge!

3) Agree, I wonder does the contract that Apple has given Orange & Vodafone just match the current contract they have with O2?

Alex
 
camperdown9 said:
Hi

I don't understand, what do you mean by "There is NO bundled WIFI access"?

You do get unlimited WIFI access via BT Openzone are we talking about two different things?

Alex
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Yeah, i've heard this 'no bundled wifi' bussiness from other people as well. When it obviously states that you can use any BT Openzone hotspot on the tariff information (which also ridiculously has an 'unlimited' Fair usage of 750mb)
 
camperdown9 said:
1) Fair enough

2) Agreed Orange can enforce the fair usage policy in whatever way they want. However fair usage policies are not new when it comes to mobile phone networks. (Unlimited never really means what it says)

Vodafone - In the terms and conditions that I have dated May'08 it states that..
Unlimited data has a fair usage policy of 500MB per month.
Unlimited texts has a fair usage policy of 3000 per month.
Unlimited Vodafone to Vodafone calls has a fair usage policy of 3000 mins per month.
Unlimited landline calls again 3000 mins per month.

O2 -With regards to data O2 unlimited policy for iPhone states "There is no limit on the monthly network usage. However if we feel that your activities are so excessive that other customers are detrimentally affected, we may give you a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, if the levels of activity do not immediately decrease after the warning, we may terminate or suspend your Services."

In other words if we are a mobile phone network and we say unlimited anything we don't really mean that. We reserve the right to charge!

3) Agree, I wonder does the contract that Apple has given Orange & Vodafone just match the current contract they have with O2?

Alex
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Cool...

I think it shows that only O2 can claim to be unlimited, they would have to prove 'detrimental' affects to other users to enforce it and they don't quote a figure.

As someone who has held an O2 iPhone contract since 2007 I can confidently state that the limits you need to hit to be affected run into the double figure GB's per month not the measly limits shown by orange & voda.
 
DO ORANGE HAVE EQUIVALENT OF SIMPLICITY SIM?

simplicity sim is still the best deal in uk isnt it?

where are all the simplicity users? how are you all doing? all happy?
 
samab said:
The problem is that Australians also face with more expensive iphone plans.

No other first world country has 5 national carriers like in the UK --- that's makes UK very competitive, period. Getting the choice of buying the iphone from all the different carriers in Australia, while Australians in general face higher mobile tariffs --- doesn't improve the situation.
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Actually I checked and there's at least 5 major telcos here (though I wouldn't call them all national carriers... whatever that really means these days), and the rest tend to to be the virtual operators. Still I completely and totally agree that overall tariffs are high. So even though the iPhone is available from most providers on any high street here neither this phone or any other has made any difference in the price of the service.

If this is about the cost, by far the UK appears to have one of the most price competitive mobile markets of all the significant, rich countries.
 
camperdown9 said:
As the price plans are so similar between o2 and Orange I wonder is Apple in some way setting them?expect that Vodafone will offer the same sort of deal.
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Bingo!

Orange, as did O2, have nothing to do with the tariffs for the iPhone, Apple gave these tariff to both networks and told them to offer these if they wanted the handset on their networks

I work for Orange and since monday have had nothing but calls from people signing up for it and pre ordering. The T&C's are just standard speil, not to be taken seriously really
 
O2-locked iPhone receives Orange signal !

Just popped an Orange SIM into my O2-locked iPhone. Synced with itunes and phone receives signal!! Albeit weak signal (ie. One bar EDGE,GPRS), although that must be due to where I live ( the bottom of a valley lol)
😱

Not first to discover btw, thread started here: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/814608/
 
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