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Don't try to figure out Apple's product line anymore. Here we are over two years later, and you still can't plug an iPhone into a MacBook without an extra purchase.

While true and somewhat amusing, that's also a use case that hasn't really been that relevant to most people since iOS 5.

I doubt they'll touch the iPad mini again, and the non Pro iPad is the new plastic unibody MacBook from 2009 or the 2015 MacBook Air - it will live on, without hardware updates, for years - school systems need that kind of stability.

The non-Pro iPad is just over half a year old.
 
Don't try to figure out Apple's product line anymore. Here we are over two years later, and you still can't plug an iPhone into a MacBook without an extra purchase.

I doubt they'll touch the iPad mini again, and the non Pro iPad is the new plastic unibody MacBook from 2009 or the 2015 MacBook Air - it will live on, without hardware updates, for years - school systems need that kind of stability.

Well, this is a rumor site...so um...isn’t it natural to guess what Apple will do next? Lol. But seriously, Ming Chi Kuo did signal that an update to the iPad mini is coming, and his track record is pretty spot on. I think I raised some legit points about the Apple Pencil. I don’t see them making two Apple pencils for long. Seems inevitable that one Apple Pencil will eventually be made for all iPads. So that would mean changes are coming to the design of the regular iPad. Wether they do it in March of 2019 or wait until 2020, I think it will happen tho.
 
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While true and somewhat amusing, that's also a use case that hasn't really been that relevant to most people since iOS 5.

True alternatives exist, but it's a basic functionality that is not compatible without an extra purchase.
Well, this is a rumor site...so um...isn’t it natural to guess what Apple will do next? Lol. But seriously, Ming Chi Kuo did signal that an update to the iPad mini is coming, and his track record is pretty spot on. I think I raised some legit points about the Apple Pencil. I don’t see them making two Apple pencils for long. Seems inevitable that one Apple Pencil will eventually be made for all iPads. So that would mean changes are coming to the design of the regular iPad. Wether they do it in March of 2019 or wait until 2020, I think it will happen tho.

I'm not convinced that Apple will move the inductive charging to the cheap iPad. It's an expensive feature I'm sure. Maybe eventually, but what's more likely to me is they will continue to offer the original pencil for it. They may even eventually discontinue the original pencil and make the Logitech Crayon the only active stylus for the cheap iPad.
 
The MacBook Pro 15" for example, which is always my main machine, now costs £2700 (512GB is non negotiable, 256GB just doesn't cut it in this day and age)...we're knocking on the £3K mark and that's a huge amount of cash.
Sterling lost about a quarter of its value since Brexit and a third in the last ten years. It's not just Apple, and it's only going to get worse in run up to March 2019 (and afterwards).
 
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New MR forum user, long time lurker/reader. i was in line for the iPad 1 day 1, the line was all of a minute as I went in mid-morning. I've used all manner of early stylus types. Only so so at actual drawing. Loved my iPad 3 retina! Still not a great drawing platform tho... Then the iPad Pro came out and I drooled for a long time saving up for it and a Pencil. Waited until the mark 2 update and got the 12.9 and gen 1 pencil. Sooooooo sweet. Love drawing on this thing.

But my pencil was often drained when I picked it up... so I made my own charging station from some beautiful wood and was thinking of selling them on Easy (already made a few more as gifts). Not sure if that's a big business now that the gen 1 pencil is not the new hotness. Maybe there are enough iPad 9.7" models still using gen1 pencils along with all the gen 1 and 2 pro gen1 pencils to make a go of it... maybe a inductive charging cradle for the future?

The new models look awesome and I'll probably get the next gen as these aren't really a huge upgrade from my current set up. All nice updates, the not-so-backward compatible is a little weird, but here we are (maybe they meant for the AirPad powerpad thing to charge this? curious)
 
Its cheeper than the Wacom and works just as well I keep hearing and indeed have found myself. iPads Photoshop is really the missing piece since is so frequent that designs start on Pro Create then get transferred to desktop to be finished on Photoshop.
Too bad that you can't connect the ipad to a real computer and use it like a wacom tablet. That would actually make it more versatile and "pro" oriented.
 
Too bad that you can't connect the ipad to a real computer and use it like a wacom tablet. That would actually make it more versatile and "pro" oriented.

You can already do that.

There are already several apps that are better than the computer counterparts for drawing and design. Full Photoshop for iPad is coming out next year, so tying the iPad to a computer isn't necessary, and this actually frees you up.
 
You can already do that.

There are already several apps that are better than the computer counterparts for drawing and design. Full Photoshop for iPad is coming out next year, so tying the iPad to a computer isn't necessary, and this actually frees you up.

Unfortunately for me and those in my field, the Mac/pc art software required for our work is more niche than photoshop, made by a smaller company, and likely won’t come to the iPad for years (if ever). So I would have loved for the new iPad Pro to get native 2nd monitor + pen input functionality. It would have been an instant upgrade for me (coming from gen 1.5 12.9”). Astropad/Luna works in a pinch, but it’s far from ideal.
 
Unfortunately for me and those in my field, the Mac/pc art software required for our work is more niche than photoshop, made by a smaller company, and likely won’t come to the iPad for years (if ever). So I would have loved for the new iPad Pro to get native 2nd monitor + pen input functionality. It would have been an instant upgrade for me (coming from gen 1.5 12.9”). Astropad/Luna works in a pinch, but it’s far from ideal.
iPad can support a second monitor if the app supports it.
Have you considered contacting the developer to see if they have an iPad app in the works?
 
greed. it WILL be their downfall.

Very true. These days Apple leaves me with a cold, unwelcoming feeling. There's little magic left, and my favorite company is no longer Apple. Instead it's Nintendo. The Switch and the 3DS delight me and I have a wonderful time playing games on those systems. But I do not get those feelings using Apple's products, the company has changed and not for the better.

I understand the need to make money, truly I do. And I know Apple is a premium-oriented company, but the brand has been tarnished for me and I no longer look forward to product announcements the way I used to in years past.

Something feels very wrong at Apple these days, very wrong indeed.
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Very happy with my old iPad Pro and Pencil 1.

Ditto. I had the 11-inch but I sent it back today. It's a fine product, but not worth the price and neither is the new Apple Pencil. I'm quite good with my original 12.9 inch and first gen pencil. They do everything I need them to do right now.

I'll consider an upgrade when the base iPad Pro comes with 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. At that point it might be worth the price for a new model.
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If Apple profitability is ever in jeopardy, they'll make adjustments in pricing and design. One thing about Apple under Cook -- profits won't fall, even if units sold do. They are completing the transition to a luxury brand. As individuals, we either stay for the ride, and pay more, or we go to Windoze, which can't seem to be able to get an update out lately without major problems.

For me, it's just a tool. I happen to like the look and feel of Apple products and the interoperability between devices. I write for a hobby, and I alternate between iPhone, iPad and several Macs depending where I'm at and what I have with me when an idea strikes. Using Ulysses (which uses Apple's built-in synching), it all just works without my ever having to worry about where my file is or how it's sync'd. It just is.

So I'll pay whatever to keep that environment.

Well, we can always buy refurb products or used products. There's no need to always have the latest models, so we can still be in Apple's ecosystem without paying top dollar for every new product the company releases.
 
iPad can support a second monitor if the app supports it.
Have you considered contacting the developer to see if they have an iPad app in the works?

Yes, the company is secretive about their plans.
But if they made an iPad app and it supported a second monitor, how would I interact with anything on the second monitor? It’s not much use unless I can interact with it freely, but iOS seems to limit this. L Also I don’t know of any good portable monitors.
 
Yes, the company is secretive about their plans.
But if they made an iPad app and it supported a second monitor, how would I interact with anything on the second monitor? It’s not much use unless I can interact with it freely, but iOS seems to limit this. L Also I don’t know of any good portable monitors.
There are several iPad apps that support a second monitor, but I can't say how it would be used for a niche art app without knowing the app in question.
 
Has no one spotted the white elephant in the room ?

White sure maybe 10 years back but now :rolleyes:
I understand... more colour would be welcome - but the bright wite does help me find these bloody things when I misplace them...
 
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There are several iPad apps that support a second monitor, but I can't say how it would be used for a niche art app without knowing the app in question.

I know iPad apps can support a second monitor, but they only display video/images, which wouldn’t really benefit me much. I need extended UI. In any case, there is no iPad app nor an alternative now nor coming in the foreseeable future, so I have to continue using the Mac application (with Cintiq). I would prefer Mac anyway—smaller targets for the pen which allows more information and tool buttons on screen, and more powerful hardware (I have a specced out 15” MBP). So ideally the iPad would be the second monitor/pen tablet to my MacBook, for when I need to be mobile. Otherwise I sit at my desk with a big Cintiq hooked up to a Mac Pro.
 
My question to all Photoshop users: Why are you still using the predatory Adobe app and not Affinity Photo...?
20+ years of ingrained keyboard shortcuts
honestly in the past when asked,half the time i dont know what i press and i have to think about it.
the hands do the thinking
 
The magnetic/wireless charging seems like a good idea but could make it harder for iPad case designers. I'm guessing that side of the case would have to be exposed in order for the pencil to still connect. This would open it up to scratches and possible damage.
 
The magnetic/wireless charging seems like a good idea but could make it harder for iPad case designers. I'm guessing that side of the case would have to be exposed in order for the pencil to still connect. This would open it up to scratches and possible damage.
I've seen a couple of case designs that have a flap that comes around the Pencil, or snug against the body when there is no Pencil.
 
Thank God the lightning charge has gone. Can anyone else think of a worse piece of industrial design, not just from Apple, but ever?!

So that means iPhones and Android phones have the worse design ever as they use a cable to charge like the pencil, I don’t see anything bad about the design.

And for paring it would only be plugged into the iPad for what 2-3 seconds, hardly an issue with the bonus if you ran out of power as an emergency you could charge it by leaving it plugged in to the iPad until you could charge it properly
 
Still loving wireless charging on the new pencil least can put it on the iPad and its safe and charged
 
Meh, I guess don’t see the advantages for using an apple pen for hand writing when you can dictate your words much faster. Nor for a lot of people IMO.

I’ll never need an Apple pen like the Note 9 stylus, personally. Though I thought of buying the note 9 vs my X, the stylus wasn’t the reason.
I take all my notes by handwriting. More natural in a meeting for sure.

I also love the Franklin Covey style digitized planner to work in Notability. I use the Pencil all the time.
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Glad they changed the charging method for the pencil! The lightning connector in the previous model was laughable!
For me, I liked the prior version as I always had a larger grip on the Pencil to avoid hand pain. I still use the old version and won’t be upgrading until my original Pro starts declining. Still working wonderfullly - fingers crossed.
 
What’s not completely correct about the gen 1 Apple Pencil is the method of charging. Although you are correct that one way to charge it is by inserting the pencil connector into the ipad port, you can also purchase a cheap connector that allows you to charge the gen 1 pencil with the ipad usb charging cable instead. Granted, it may not be the convenience some folks are looking for, but it’s far cheaper than an upgrade to the newer iPad Pro and Apple Pencil gen 2. Mine still works fine and I charge it using both methods, often using the cable with adapter for the reasons you had stated when it’s plugged directly into the ipad port.
 
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