Uh no it didn't because we were discussing iPad's and based on what you said it was patched with 4.0.2 and the original iPad can run iOS 5.
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Uh no it didn't because we were discussing iPad's and based on what you said it was patched with 4.0.2 and the original iPad can run iOS 5.
LOL. I think the difference is between those who thought of tablets as being more like computers, so expecting them to last upwards of 5 years, like computers do, and those who thought of tablets as more like smartphones, so expected to swap them every two years, or even every year. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford to buy a new iPad every year, but if I had to make an iPad last three years, then I'd accept that in the third year, I would have to make do without the latest software updates. And by the fourth year, well, in terms of how quick mobile technology is moving, I'd expect it to be fully obsolete.
But I mean, Apple is known for dropping support for older technology, it's Microsoft that bends over backwards trying to provide support for older machines. Even then, I have printers that are in perfect working order but for which I have trouble finding drivers to get them to work with Windows 7. Granted, these printers are older than five years, but the point is, a lot of still-functioning hardware goes unsupported when software is updated, that's just how the computer industry works, and it's not even all on purpose, because it takes a lot of cost to rewrite software to support older hardware, and every company has to do its own cost/benefit analysis when deciding which old hardware to support and which to drop.
I'm guessing Apple decided to make iOS 6 for iPhone 3GS because it is still being sold now, and they didn't want to be seen as dropping support for a "new" phone a year after it was sold as new. However, I shudder to think how well (or badly) iOS 6 will run on the 3GS -- those things have problems even with iOS 5. My original iPad runs ok on iOS 5 as long as I keep only a minimal number of apps on it. If I try to run some of the latest more complex apps on it, it starts slowing down and crashing. I'd rather Apple not update it to iOS 6, than have them release an update, then find that my original iPad doesn't work well with iOS 6, but with no means to downgrade back to iOS 5. Which is another rant, but as long as Apple isn't allowing people to downgrade iOS, then IMO they have a responsibility to NOT release an upgrade that might slow down or unstabilize older iDevices.
I expect the lack of iPad1 support for IOS6 has to do with the lack of a camera as the iPhone 3gs has a camera and is supported for IOS6... See iMovie and iPhoto for IOS...
iPhoto doesn't run on the 3GS...not sure about iMovie
I doubt the numbers are "much" larger. Joe Schmoe doesn't know how to hack his phone to run an update it was never meant to get. And even if they counted those numbers too, fragmentation is a huge problem for Android. Jelly Bean is about to be announced with less than 10% adoption on the one they announced a year ago.
Seriously this stinks. First of all I payed 800 for the iPad 1Gen. That is enough money to get a decent notebook, which supports (and will support) all kind of software. Second as soon as the iPhone 4 launched with the same processor but double the RAM I knew that I spent money on beta product. Tear-downs have shown that a camera was planned but later scrapped. Actually the iPad 1Gen feels more like 0.5Gen and the iPad 2 more like 1. And that's how I think it should be: the iPhone is trailing the iPad, which is more powerful because it has a beth thermal envelop and more room for the components. Third I've been asking for several apps and feature that I have found on my iPhone but never on the iPad namely calculator, clocks and personal hotspot. Calculator still doesn't exist for iPad, but the clocks app will be added with iOS 6 and I think this should have been included with 3.2 from the get-go. Also there is no technical reason why only the new iPad can function as a personal hotspot.
So in essence I really feel like I'm getting screwed over with my purchase of the iPad 1 and will not get the 2 nor the new one.
So in essence I really feel like I'm getting screwed over with my purchase of the iPad 1 and will not get the 2 nor the new one.
Interesting. I think it's disappointing, and perhaps frustrating. Nonetheless I think iPad 1 will still 'play nice' with an Apple ecosystem, and will still work very well as a web/audio/video/app device. It's not like the thing will stop working or become clunky once iOS 6 is available. I imagine part of the issue is that it's the first generation device; as the iPad is becoming cemented as part of Apple's operations then we might see OS support across three (four?) generations more consistently.
And I expect the opposite, lol. With Apple now updating Mac OS annually, I'm kind of expecting older Macs to stop getting OS updates earlier. I have a 2010 MacBook Air, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it gets left out of the 2013 update, and I will be surprised if it gets the 2014 update!
I do agree that just because a hardware doesn't get the latest OS update, doesn't mean that it becomes immediately useless. But then I work in an office where the majority of our computers are still running XP.
That is not really an accurate portrayal though.
Many apps will be updated to support 6.x and others will lose support for 5.x--even apps you might have now. If you update your apps in iTunes then do a clean restore you won't be able to reinstall those apps. And you certainly can't do it on-the-device via App store.
I think Apple should deal with this situation, but I don't have a solution. Perhaps keep a "last version that worked on x.x" available to download for older devices? I don't know.
As someone who still keeps his very first iPhone around, almost entirely for nostalgic reasons, but who cannot load apps that used to work, it can be frustrating.
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Well, thats your opinion. I choose to voice my opinion against such blatant planned obsolescence.
Obsolete means that it's no longer useful. That's simply not the case here. It's still fully capable of performing as intended. You're simply upset because it's not upgradeable but there was never any promise that it would be.
Well wouldn't you be to ?
Nobody likes to be left out in the cold.
Especially if they have been a longtime customer like myself.
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I watched the keynote (illicitly from work) eagerly hoping that the 1st Gen iPad would be getting some iOS 6y goodness and was disappointed when I heard it wouldn't happen. I thought of all the features it wouldn't get, and then realized something... almost all of the iOS 6 features were really of greater utility on a phone than they were on the iPad.
Maps: My iPad has plenty good Maps, and still has Streetview, and since it's a WiFi model it was never going to be useful for Turn by Turn. 3D Maps are cool and all, but they'd probably be fun for about a half an hour before I got bored of them. And Google's probably going to provide theirs for iOS anyway.
Passbook: It's a cool idea, but I don't know how much I'd use it, and even if it proved useful would be more so on the small form factor of a phone than an iPad. I always have my iPhone; I don't always have my iPad. And my iPhone 4 should get this feature.
Cellular Facetime: No cell, no Camera. No utility. And again, it's really better for the iPhone that I always have with me. (Yes, I know my 4 won't get this feature, but I only have 1 other person I could Facetime with, and I don't often wish to).
Siri: C'mon... I knew going in that even if we got some iOS 6, they weren't going to give us access to their digital oracle.
About the only feature I would have actually had some routine use of is "Do Not Disturb." But, I can get around that by just switching off the WiFi when I go to bed.
So, overall, whilst I'm conceptually bummed that my iPad is not supported anymore, I can't say I lament not getting this particular feature set much. I'll just hold on to my gen 1 iPad, using it for all the things I've used it for in the past, save up for a new iPad... whichever version is newest when I have the dosh... and then just jailbreak my iPad 1 and use it as a testbed for tweaks and hacks. Or just let my sister's little ones have it.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I can't muster the outrage.
Maps: My iPad has plenty good Maps, and still has Streetview, and since it's a WiFi model it was never going to be useful for Turn by Turn. 3D Maps are cool and all, but they'd probably be fun for about a half an hour before I got bored of them. And Google's probably going to provide theirs for iOS anyway.
Passbook: It's a cool idea, but I don't know how much I'd use it, and even if it proved useful would be more so on the small form factor of a phone than an iPad. I always have my iPhone; I don't always have my iPad. And my iPhone 4 should get this feature.
Cellular Facetime: No cell, no Camera. No utility. And again, it's really better for the iPhone that I always have with me. (Yes, I know my 4 won't get this feature, but I only have 1 other person I could Facetime with, and I don't often wish to).
Siri: C'mon... I knew going in that even if we got some iOS 6, they weren't going to give us access to their digital oracle.
About the only feature I would have actually had some routine use of is "Do Not Disturb." But, I can get around that by just switching off the WiFi when I go to bed.
So, overall, whilst I'm conceptually bummed that my iPad is not supported anymore, I can't say I lament not getting this particular feature set much. I'll just hold on to my gen 1 iPad, using it for all the things I've used it for in the past, save up for a new iPad... whichever version is newest when I have the dosh... and then just jailbreak my iPad 1 and use it as a testbed for tweaks and hacks. Or just let my sister's little ones have it.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I can't muster the outrage.
Amen Brother... I paid $847 for that iPad including tax. The original iPad was discontinued on 3/2/2011 so are telling me that Apple is going to tell people that shelled out between $500 and $800 for an iPad that their device is not going to receive further updates past just over a year?
See one of the things I always preach to my Windows friends is how much longer Apple products last. My 9-yr-old daughter has been using the same MacBook since it was purchased in late 2006. It runs the current operating system OS-X Lion with no issues. The only upgrade was an increase in RAM. How many 2006 Dells or HPs are still working? How many can run Windows 7?
Wow there really isn't anything on that list I really need. If that's it I'll probably leave my iPad 2 running it's current OS.
I've got several Dell and ThinkPad laptops from 2006-07 running Windows 7 just fine.
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This is my main complaint. I accept that I can't use the latest and greatest features (Siri etc) but in a few months, apps that currently work will stop working entirely.
The only (and rather cynical) reason to stop support is to get people to upgrade. It is more than capable of running iOS6. (as shown by the iPod touch and 3GS getting it.)
Sooo, the iPhone 3GS will run a stripped down version of iOS6... and the iPhone 4 will run a slightly less stripped down version. The iPhone 4 has a underclocked A4 CPU while the original iPad has a faster A4. Yet the iPad cannot run iOS 6? This strikes me as a money grab by Apple. I'm not going to run off and banish Apple products from my life because of it but certainly I expected Apple to have a little more respect for customers.
Uh no it didn't because we were discussing iPad's and based on what you said it was patched with 4.0.2 and the original iPad can run iOS 5.
You argued that, if a gaping security hole is discovered in an iOS-based device that is no longer supported by the current version of iOS, Apple will respond by releasing a patched version of the older version of iOS to address that security hole.
I responded by pointing out that Apple has explicitly not done that very thing in the past.
Your point would have been successfully established if Apple had, indeed, released a patched version of iOS 3.x to address the security hole for the orphaned devices; they didn't.
The fact that the particular gaping secuirty hole in question happened to be discovered during the transition from iOS 3 to iOS4 (and therefore doesn't directly affect devices such as iPads which all successfully migrated to iOS 4) is merely a coincidence; it is not indicative that iPads would be treated any differently than all other iOS-based devices in the future.
Sorry, let me elaborate.
As apps get updated, the minimum requirements (i.e. iOS4 etc) can change too.
With some apps, they will no longer support IOS5.
As the iPad1 is the only iPad to not support iOS6, We will see an increasing number of apps that will soon be incompatible with Ipad1.
My iPod touch 1st gen is next to useless now as apps that once worked will no longer launch. It will work as a music player of course, but apps that once worked do so no longer.
This will happen on the iPad 1 too..
I love my iPad 1, but if they're only going to be supported in any way for a maximum of 2 years I don't know if I'd buy another iPad. I don't expect all the new features at all, just official support for things like security updates - new features, superior hardware and new and innovative software should be what sells the newer models to existing customers, not the idea that the web browser has gone unpatched and so isn't as safe to use anymore... not after only 2 years, I'd go as far to say it's irresponsible actually.
Even just 3 years would be getting towards acceptable, though like I said, I think they should rely on 'carrot' rather than 'stick' to encourage upgrades... it's just better PR.
Even just 3 years would be getting towards acceptable, though like I said, I think they should rely on 'carrot' rather than 'stick' to encourage upgrades... it's just better PR.