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The rest of the world can finally upgrade from Snow Leopard!

-- I'm so tired of hearing people saying they will stay on SL because of stability.


On another note... I hope after the stability release, Apple continue this in every release along with new features, instead of releasing a few release point upgrades, then a stability one, etc.
 
Any guesses as to what "Trusted Wi-Fi" actually is? Maybe it's like allowing mobile devices to connect no matter what, and it just creates a secure tunnel so the network can't be sniffed/monitored by that device by granting it access?
 
How to Disable the "Piss Me Off Panel"

Hi Daalseth, I found this page about how to disable the "piss me off panel." Thought you might like it!

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-10.8-turning-off-notification-center-permanently



Overall I like the stability and speed improvements.

However ANOTHER panel that slides out of the side? Already I have this damn one that appears at random when I'm trying to do something. For example, I'll be in iMovie sliding along the timeline when suddenly focus will snap to a panel sliding out of the right side of the screen. I have to stop what I'm doing, close it, and then get back to my editing. I hate that panel. I don't even know what it's for, I've never looked at it long enough. I've also never figured out how to get it to fold out when it ISN'T the most inconvenient and inopportune time. I just call it the "piss me off panel".
 
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There isn't a chance that the 4s's A5 processor could run smoothly with iOS 9 on it. Today with iOS 8, it's already choppy and lags about, so just imagine what good slapping an even newer platform on it would do. As much as I would like to see continued support for older devices, it's a hopeless cause unfortunately

Whats the difference between iOS6 and iOS9?

1. Look and feel, no effect
2. Improved as its newer, no effect
3. New features, some of which will affect the older devices

I gather that to get good performance on a 4S, iOS9 will have features that affect the 4S, off by default. The user can turn on one, two, many of these and have the choice for features or lag. Or just a couple of features and low effect. All that really takes is having a new menu item called, say, Advanced Features
and it would be helpful if there was a guide of how these affect performance on a 1 to 5 scale. Or as usual, leave it to the internet to do that

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Based on people already being used to not having a file system on their iDevices, and mac store apps being sandboxed, the move makes sense from that prespective. Will be interesting to see how users react to this in regards to OSX.

iOS has a file system. Doesnt look like Finder though. Ever used Goodreader, thats what apps should be doing, allowing ability to add/remove/rename folders. My Goodreader app has a file system, folders I created, its just that iOS is app based, not file based. I used to live in Windows Explorer, but if all apps were like Goodreader, its fine. iOS just needs to support adding files to its devices by way of a popup, hey dude, which app to copy to/from?
 
While the 2 GB RAM on iPad Air 2 surely help, I think the stuttering is rather due to graphics limitations than RAM, as the A8X's GPU is more than twice as performant as the A7's. That would also explain why iPhone 5s performs so much better than the first gen iPad Air, as the same GPU has to push over four times the pixels in the iPad.

Some stuttering now and then I can deal with... not being able to type anymore, as it's always stuttering every few characters, is a disaster. :(

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Except they were selling iPad 2 up until fairly recently, especially in large numbers to academic users...
iPad 2 was only discontinued by Apple in March of last year and was still available from retailers for some time after this.

Bingo! It's one thing when we're talking about a several year old device. I don't expect them to be supported or perform as well as new models. But, when you're still selling a BRAND NEW device that doesn't work properly with the current OS, that's an issue.

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I think its a ram issue, as the effects in iOS 7 were identical to that in iOS 8, yet hardware that could render the effects fine in iOS 7 can't consistently render them in iOS 8...

Generally, I'd agree from what I've seen. My iPad 2 was fine on iOS 7, and is nearly unusable on iOS 8. And, the big factor tying all the poor performers under iOS 8 that I can see is having only 512 RAM.

But, my main complaint with iOS 8 on my iPad 2 has been keyboard performance. I can deal with lag elsewhere, but not while typing, or waiting a few seconds to be able to start keyboard input. And, if just using the keyboard is broken... and needs more than 512 MB RAM, then we're kind of screwed.

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iOS has a file system. Doesnt look like Finder though. Ever used Goodreader, thats what apps should be doing...

Someone at Apple got this silly idea that file-systems are for old-people and are confusing... and that young-people use this new thing called meta-data and that all the complexity could be hidden.

Fine and dandy, except that this isn't how people actually think and work... and since Apple has botched pretty much everything cloud and sync related for like the past decade, smart people just aren't going to trust this stuff to them anymore (or at least for a good long time).

So, we're all trying to 'hack' file-system behavior into our apps and workflows to get around Apple's silly idea. And they're all hoping we're going to magically trust iCloud. Maybe someday, but it's going to be a bumpy ride until then.
 
What do people use root for these days?

installing software.... drivers like for printers... such as my own brother laser printer.... developers... even some updates. a lot of stuff. root is what gives osx its security.

if apple makes it that you can no longer gain root access then yosemite will become my xp to microsoft. might even go back down to mavericks. only went to yosemite since it was free and apple didn't do anything like this no root access.

i don't want osx to turn into ios. i like ios on my phone. i like osx on my computer. i don't want ios on my computer like i don't want osx on my phone. there is nothing wrong with the apple menu and having stuff like my volume icon and wifi in my menu bar to see it makes it incredibly convenient. we already have the notification center. why not just add applets to it to control itunes and such.
 
Someone at Apple got this silly idea that file-systems are for old-people and are confusing... and that young-people use this new thing called meta-data and that all the complexity could be hidden.

Fine and dandy, except that this isn't how people actually think and work... and since Apple has botched pretty much everything cloud and sync related for like the past decade, smart people just aren't going to trust this stuff to them anymore (or at least for a good long time).

So, we're all trying to 'hack' file-system behavior into our apps and workflows to get around Apple's silly idea. And they're all hoping we're going to magically trust iCloud. Maybe someday, but it's going to be a bumpy ride until then.

Apple sucks at services. I wonder how many people would use Apple Maps or Siri if it was possible to change these to 3rd party alternatives. I wouldn't. Apple isn't paying me to beta test their crappy services.
 
Apple sucks at services. I wonder how many people would use Apple Maps or Siri if it was possible to change these to 3rd party alternatives. I wouldn't. Apple isn't paying me to beta test their crappy services.

They did a good job refining Apple Maps by now, I've never bothered to install Google Maps instead. But if you want a third party app, why don't you do so?

And what's wrong with Siri? Works great to me, I use it all the time.
If "raise to speak" still existed, I'd use it a lot more though.
 
They did a good job refining Apple Maps by now, I've never bothered to install Google Maps instead. But if you want a third party app, why don't you do so?

And what's wrong with Siri? Works great to me, I use it all the time.
If "raise to speak" still existed, I'd use it a lot more though.

You can't replace Apple Maps or Siri. Just like you can't replace Safari. Apple Maps is another app that I wish I could dump into a garbage directory and never see again.
 
Prepare to be shocked :D. There is no way IOS 10 will support the A5 so expect Apple to stop selling the remaining A5 devices this fall.

Unless they completely untangle all of what made iOS 8 such a mess throughout its lifetime and restore iOS 7-like speeds at the minimum, I don't see how it'll result in any better of a user experience. And even then, there will probably be a host of new technologies introduced that won't be included for the A5 versions.

I'd rather Apple just fork off an A5-specific version of iOS 8 that they keep updating (a la iOS 6 with the fourth gen iPod touch and the iPhone 3GS) with updates to security and stability as well as optimizations to speed. Cry "fragmentation" all you want; Apple has been doing this with OS X for years now.

It's the right thing to do here. I don't want to be running an A5 device (fifth gen iPod touch) and then have Apple push that hardware yet even closer to being unusably slow before being incentivized to update (or in this case, to abandon all things "iPod" in favor of an egregiously priced iPhone that stays powered for half the time before running out of juice). (Even with any of the other A5 devices, I'd hate to be running on an iPad 2 or a first generation mini and find myself literally being forced into an upgrade in order to keep reasonable performance, let alone usable performance.)

The original iPad mini uses an A5 and they still sell it (and if we discount the TouchID addition to the iPad mini 2, aka iPad mini retina, in the form of the iPad mini 3, there still is a second tier device still using the A5).

The only still-sold A5 devices are devices that are very clearly only being sold to hit lower price-points. Even Apple knows that doing so will have concessions in areas like performance and, in the case of the first generation iPad mini, display resolution. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for Apple to set a precedent to drop support for products that are clearly third-tier; it's not like they didn't just set such a precedent by opting to sell third-tier products to begin with...

Honestly no, I don't really think any effort has been put into optimization on any platform. This may very well be the last real effort to support 32 bit hardware though.

Dropping A6 devices would be a bit aggressive, but if the whole goal of iOS 9 is to provide an OS that was engineered from the ground-up to be 64-bit (among sporting many other forward thinking APIs and technologies), perhaps they could do it. Dropping A5 makes sense. It has been around for a while and has been showing its age for the last two years.


Hell my iPhone is still an iPhone 4, not even an S. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that don't want to give up their "4" series phones. This update wouldn't do me any good but 4S owners would be happy.[/QUOTE]

Phones don't tend to last longer than three years. I don't mean in terms of software (though that is certainly true as well); I mean physically. They tend to get beaten and battered pretty easily. Plus that battery is definitely not built to last that long. Anyone on a 4 still is chugging along despite software limitations and odds are that those who have not moved away from the 4S will continue to chug along on it in the same fashion, iOS update or not.
 
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You can't replace Apple Maps or Siri. Just like you can't replace Safari. Apple Maps is another app that I wish I could dump into a garbage directory and never see again.

What hinders you from replacing Apple Maps with Google Maps? Missing Siri Integration? Why, I thought you didn't even like Siri?
 
If you've only used Siri then of course you would think it's great. I bet you think that Apple search in Maps is good too.

Siri is great and continuously getting better. While Cortana or Google Now may have some more features, Siri's voice recognition and dictation accuracy is pretty much unparalleled, not only in english.
 
Serious question: Can anyone tell me how control center on a Mac is practical? I'm just trying to figure out why it's necessary with the "Today" and a Menu Bar.

The one thing I see good about it is that on large high resolution displays being able to do most of your menu functions from a window instead of having to move the mouse to the top of the screen for everything is more efficient and in older years, I would have said the secondary monitor didn't even have a menu bar, but at least that was addressed in Mavericks. Even so, having windows come out of windows on the side just means less horizontal window space for the main window functions. And that's a BIG negative, IMO. Even the old style drop down menus on the windows themselves that Microsoft used does the same basic thing without taking up valuable screen real estate, but they too thought having them on-screen with ribbons (for Office at least) was more efficient than searching loads of drop-downs. Here, I assume it would only be used temporarily and then could be tucked away again.

So long as the system doesn't wipe out menus as an OPTION, I'm fine with it. But if they REPLACE the system menus with this for the most part, then I do have a problem with it.
 
What hinders you from replacing Apple Maps with Google Maps? Missing Siri Integration? Why, I thought you didn't even like Siri?

So you can replace Apple Maps on iOS with Google Maps? Show us how without jailbreaking. For your next trick I'm sure you will show us how to replace Safari with another web browser.

Siri is great and continuously getting better. While Cortana or Google Now may have some more features, Siri's voice recognition and dictation accuracy is pretty much unparalleled, not only in english.

Siri is great? Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhh right. For more baloney tell us how great Apple search is doing in apps like Apple Maps.
 
So you can replace Apple Maps on iOS with Google Maps? Show us how without jailbreaking. For your next trick I'm sure you will show us how to replace Safari with another web browser.

There you have it:
https://itunes.apple.com/de/app/google-maps/id585027354?mt=8
Obviously no integration with Siri, but hey, you don't like her anyway...

Siri is great? Yeeeeeeeeaaaaahhhh right. For more baloney tell us how great Apple search is doing in apps like Apple Maps.

Again, what's wrong with Siri?
I don't know about what kind of "Apple search" you're talking. POI search in Maps?
 
I don't know about what kind of "Apple search" you're talking. POI search in Maps?

Personally, I'd just like the location of a business or address to show up fairly close to where it actually is. Apple maps is pretty bad about this, to the point I haven't really used it much yet. (It's wrong almost every time I try it.) And, it's what opens by default... so then you have to go get that address, etc. and manually use Google Maps to get the right location/directions.

Hopefully Apple fixes this, as I'm no fan of Google. But, unless they pour some real resources into it, they don't stand a chance of catching up. Apple is also kind of notorious for barely supporting their in-house apps (i.e.: very slow feature updates, little interaction with other app teams internally, poorly supported, etc.) It's often a case of what you see is what you get, and if it works for you, great, otherwise look to 3rd parties. A great example is Calendar... how many versions/years are we into that app and it's still missing crucial features just about every other calendar app out there has.
 
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[…] I'd just like the location of a business or address to show up fairly close to where it actually is. Apple maps is pretty bad about this […]

As far as I can judge, most POI locations seem pretty accurate. At least in Hamburg, Germany.
Only thing I noticed is that sometimes long-gone businesses are still present in Apple Maps.
 
As far as I can judge, most POI locations seem pretty accurate. At least in Hamburg, Germany.
Only thing I noticed is that sometimes long-gone businesses are still present in Apple Maps.

I don't use it that much (due to the inaccuracy), but here in Canada (at least where I live/travel in Canada), it often points to locations on considerably wrong street locations (like way down the street... several blocks or more down the street), or even on the wrong street. And, that's for street addresses! Actual POIs, I'm guessing, might be even worse.

But, again, I've probably only used it roughly 10 times since it came out. Most of the time I just go right to the browser, as search results there typically uses Google Maps. It's usually when I accidentally click on a street address, which auto-launches Maps, when I notice this (which, ultimately makes the wait a huge annoyance).

So, unfortunately at the moment, it isn't just a preference for Google Maps... but an actual dislike of Apple Maps for annoying me. :)

(BTW, it's kind of funny my love/hate relationship with Apple. On the one hand, I've been a loyal user for over 25 years. They have ultimately saved me tons of time in gained productivity. Yet, their software products (aside from the OS) have often been quite bad, and a waste of time... especially their cloud services. Attempting to use them has often cost me a lot of time, frustration, and data-loss. I often joke with one of my friends that I'd switch if there were something better to switch to... which there obviously is not.)
 
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