OS X 10.11 Could Feature Control Center, 'Rootless' Security and More, iOS 9 to Support A5-Based Devices

[Tech198]

Not to worry, if Apple knows what that are doing, they will continue adding crap to the Trackpad section...


I like this method of Apple adding all of this stuff and having convenience/gestures done via the track pad for all sorts of thing that first began only with simple swipes, but has now turned into "one button, does everything." including opening your fridge if u want to, but then add a slew of options under system preferences/Track pad to disable most of them (if needed)

Sounds to me Apple's dug themselves into a deep hole. And it won't get better, since the more features/iOS'y things they add, he more they'll be to turn them off. Some of them are good, some make sense, some do not, and thats just me and Control center in a desktop OS doesn't,,, Maybe a convenience, but anything time Apple makes things this, like Control centre, is because they released OS X is too complicated...

Well.. sorry Apple, but u made it that way, trying to add these things to "fix" it.

As i said before "Android"

 

[TMRJIJ]

Urgh.

Why can't Control Centre and Notification Centre be the same thing?

Most annoying thing ever on the phone, to be swiping while browsing and have that bloody thing pop up.

Merge today and notifications into one screen, and put controls on the next. Simple.

Now the desktop is gonna have two panels that swipe in, left and right.
And yet people moaned when Windows did the same thing 2 years ago.

Nope, Nah, Never, . . . That has never happened to me before. I sometimes have hard times bringing the control Centre. How are you do that?

 

[Nee412]

No thats not true.

They just won't put power sapping features on the older devices. Looks like they're taking a different approach, and have built a core operating system and are seeing what will and won't run.

I'd say ensuring that the core OS runs well on older hardware is a great way to make sure it uses minimal resources on newer devices.

Developers can put more intensive features into their apps, but their apps will still have to run on all hardware that Apple's OS currently supports. Most developers therefore don't bother to make apps that truly test the current A8's capabilities.

If Apple wants to support older hardware that's great, but under the current system I just don't think it works.

Adobe doesn't base their applications for desktop computers on their ability to run on the cheapest hardware on the market. When they build an app for the App Store they have to make sure that at least some version of it will run on a four year old device. See the difference?

No. iOS9 supports the latest and greatest hardware. If your 4S doesnt have hardware for some features it wont have those features. If your 4S can support new software features, but those will affect performance, you can CHOOSE what you want

The issue with apps is not relevant, thats the devs job to update or not update.

I don't think you understood what I meant. I think I've explained it better above.

 

[oldmacs]

Developers can put more intensive features into their apps, but their apps will still have to run on all hardware that Apple's OS currently supports. Most developers therefore don't bother to make apps that truly test the current A8's capabilities.

If Apple wants to support older hardware that's great, but under the current system I just don't think it works.

Adobe doesn't base their applications for desktop computers on their ability to run on the cheapest hardware on the market. When they build an app for the App Store they have to make sure that at least some version of it will run on a four year old device. See the difference?



I don't think you understood what I meant. I think I've explained it better above.

Perhaps Apple should allow for features to be turned off automatically for older devices then? Say if a video app can't handle something on A5, then it would not be part of the app.

For the consumer it is very good news. I was considering going over to a Windows Tablet as once my iPad 2 looses software support it is pretty much unusable to me (I don't want to be left without the latest security + app updates and usually iWork syncing etc), and I can't afford a new iPad just yet.

 

[tdale]

Developers can put more intensive features into their apps, but their apps will still have to run on all hardware that Apple's OS currently supports. Most developers therefore don't bother to make apps that truly test the current A8's capabilities.

If Apple wants to support older hardware that's great, but under the current system I just don't think it works.

Adobe doesn't base their applications for desktop computers on their ability to run on the cheapest hardware on the market. When they build an app for the App Store they have to make sure that at least some version of it will run on a four year old device. See the difference?



I don't think you understood what I meant. I think I've explained it better above.

Cheers. I think we are heading in different directions. You appear to take the stance that the one iOS9 is one OS. My view, only based on what I have read, is that there will eb one iOS 9, but older devices will have turn off options for anything that is CPU intensive. I expect most of these new options will be off, but the user can turn them on.

Say I made an app, using features only found on the 6 Plus, so on the 4S, these features wont be there. If there is a feature that the 4S can use, but its yard work, I dev that as an "optional feature". so it will hAve a setting to turn on and off if it doesnt already, and on older devuices its off by default. This, I can dev to todays devices, and have more customers on the older devices, as previously I may have been forced to not allow it due to performance.

When Siri came out, it wasn't on older devices but it does fine ok. Today that be available, and a choice, but off by default.

I see this as Apple wideing the device life. That reduces unhappiness, and they may eb trying to remiove as much unhappiness as they can.

 

[Ritmo]

To all the people loving the hope of control center. There is already an app for this https://www.cindori.org/software/controlcenter/

 

[kalsta]

… the focus of OS X 10.11 will be on improved stability and performance, new security features and system-wide interface tweaks …

I hope so. Many people have been saying OS X needs another Snow-Leopard-like release, to stop the haemorrhaging of bugs, and I agree.

OS X 10.11 is still expected to gain a handful of noteworthy features, including a systemwide change to Apple Watch font San Francisco …

Not so excited about this, although it was to be expected. I've seen screenshots of what OS X looks like with the San Francisco typeface. I think it looks clunky.

 

[aidfurlong]

No hope for iPhone 4s and iOS 9

There isn't a chance that the 4s's A5 processor could run smoothly with iOS 9 on it. Today with iOS 8, it's already choppy and lags about, so just imagine what good slapping an even newer platform on it would do. As much as I would like to see continued support for older devices, it's a hopeless cause unfortunately

 

[Paddle1]

There isn't a chance that the 4s's A5 processor could run smoothly with iOS 9 on it. Today with iOS 8, it's already choppy and lags about, so just imagine what good slapping an even newer platform on it would do. As much as I would like to see continued support for older devices, it's a hopeless cause unfortunately

Just because it's newer doesn't mean it'll run worse.

 

[ShadovvMoon]

Just because it's newer doesn't mean it'll run worse.

True, but if the past 7 years have been any indication...

 

[jlnr]

Developers can put more intensive features into their apps, but their apps will still have to run on all hardware that Apple's OS currently supports. Most developers therefore don't bother to make apps that truly test the current A8's capabilities.

If Apple wants to support older hardware that's great, but under the current system I just don't think it works.

Games have had that problem for quite a while. Many games technically work on iOS 4.3+ or iOS 5+, but in reality old devices cannot handle them. In the worst case, consumers only find out after spending money, and leave angry one-star reviews.

The proper way to handle this would be to let developers specify more precise hardware requirements for apps. Let us install iOS 8 on the iPhone 4s, but not Infinity Sword 5 or whatever.

 

[s2mikey]

Perhaps Apple should allow for features to be turned off automatically for older devices then? Say if a video app can't handle something on A5, then it would not be part of the app.

For the consumer it is very good news. I was considering going over to a Windows Tablet as once my iPad 2 looses software support it is pretty much unusable to me (I don't want to be left without the latest security + app updates and usually iWork syncing etc), and I can't afford a new iPad just yet.

I like the idea of being able to turn OFF certain features depending on hardware strength. Maybe a simple hardware or iPad version detector could be deployed that would automatically scale things back if need be?

I've always been a huge iPad fan and I suspect when I upgrade again down the road I'll still go with Apple for my tablet. But...the competition is catching up and recently I have considered other options which has never happened before.

 

[oldmacs]

There isn't a chance that the 4s's A5 processor could run smoothly with iOS 9 on it. Today with iOS 8, it's already choppy and lags about, so just imagine what good slapping an even newer platform on it would do. As much as I would like to see continued support for older devices, it's a hopeless cause unfortunately

Honestly its not. You know part of the reason the 4S runs so badly? The same reason that the A7 devices run iOS 8 poorly, because iOS 8 was rushed and is is poor with memory management.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Arrrghhh! No! That's where I keep my dock!

Sliding in from the left just like notification center does from the right, why should control center interfere with your dock position? Dock on the right currently works just fine with notification center.
The dock shows up when moving the cursor to the edge of the screen, while notification center (and probably a future control center too) is triggered by swiping two fingers from the edge of the trackpad.

 

[KNPaige]

There isn't a chance that the 4s's A5 processor could run smoothly with iOS 9 on it. Today with iOS 8, it's already choppy and lags about, so just imagine what good slapping an even newer platform on it would do. As much as I would like to see continued support for older devices, it's a hopeless cause unfortunately

I dunno, I'm remaining pretty optimistic. The 4S and iPad 2 may not run iOS optimally, but considering that an old dual-core 800 MHz/1Ghz and 512 MB of RAM have been supported for so long, I'd have to say things are going pretty sweet.

It beats the alternative. The HTC One Mini 1 and 2, Android phones from 2013 and 2014, will not be getting the latest version of Android when it comes out; that's not even a full two years of support for the Mini 2. Both phones are considerably stronger than the iPhone 4S, by the way.

If Apple's "core edition" concept works, this means that old devices will run ever-smoother for years to come, and I'm not just talking about the A5 devices. Instead of stripping out code which may not be optimal, you have a lightweight OS that can be modified to the device's needs.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

Honestly its not. You know part of the reason the 4S runs so badly? The same reason that the A7 devices run iOS 8 poorly, because iOS 8 was rushed and is is poor with memory management.

Actually, I don't have any issues with iOS 8 on my 5s which is an A7 device.
Besides the known bugs before 8.1, I haven't experienced poor performance (some things like spotlight perform even better than with iOS 7), not even with the public betas.

However on my brother's iPad Air, iOS 8 sometimes shows some stuttering which doesn't occur on my iPad Air 2.

 

[oldmacs]

Actually, I don't have any issues with iOS 8 on my 5s which is an A7 device.
Besides the known bugs before 8.1, I haven't experienced poor performance (some things like spotlight perform even better than with iOS 7), not even with the public betas.

However on my brother's iPad Air, iOS 8 sometimes shows some stuttering which doesn't occur on my iPad Air 2.

I think the iPhones are better than the iPads for some reason....

I use an iPad Mini 2 for my iPad lessons, and its a disaster, as are the iPad Air 1s that my various family members have. I've also seen it stutterer and lag on the iPhone 6. Haven't seen the Air 2 stutter and lag though, I'd put that down to the RAM. iOS 8 is just terrible at memory management.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

All I want is an iCloud Drive app that functions like Dropbox. It's an iOS app and OS X app that lets me just drag and drop.

You, like every other Apple user cannot be trusted with drag and drop when it comes to cloud storage!.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

Is it me or do the iPhone4s's look super tiny in this article? Almost like mini phones! Crazy to think just 2-3 years ago, these were the best things since sliced bread.

No they weren't, you just didn't know any better...

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(and with most iPad 2 and iPhone 4s users having sold their devices in favor of newer versions), they don't have much incentive to keep supporting it.

Except they were selling iPad 2 up until fairly recently, especially in large numbers to academic users...
iPad 2 was only discontinued by Apple in March of last year and was still available from retailers for some time after this.

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Based on people already being used to not having a file system on their iDevices, and mac store apps being sandboxed, the move makes sense from that prespective. Will be interesting to see how users react to this in regards to OSX.

They aren't "used to it". They have just been forced to live with it. For me it's far and away the biggest compromise of iOS and the killer feature of Android.

 

[mr.bee]

I wonder if they work on the dark menu bar & dock more

notifications could use a dark theme too for example...

 

[crashoverride77]

Not to worry, if Apple knows what that are doing, they will continue adding crap to the Trackpad section...


I like this method of Apple adding all of this stuff and having convenience/gestures done via the track pad for all sorts of thing that first began only with simple swipes, but has now turned into "one button, does everything." including opening your fridge if u want to, but then add a slew of options under system preferences/Track pad to disable most of them (if needed)

Sounds to me Apple's dug themselves into a deep hole. And it won't get better, since the more features/iOS'y things they add, he more they'll be to turn them off. Some of them are good, some make sense, some do not, and thats just me and Control center in a desktop OS doesn't,,, Maybe a convenience, but anything time Apple makes things this, like Control centre, is because they released OS X is too complicated...

Well.. sorry Apple, but u made it that way, trying to add these things to "fix" it.

As i said before "Android"

Lol. You a funny man.

 

[roadbloc]

If Apple take away root access from OS X, then I will not be upgrading. Ever.

 

[MrUNIMOG]

I think the iPhones are better than the iPads for some reason....

I use an iPad Mini 2 for my iPad lessons, and its a disaster, as are the iPad Air 1s that my various family members have. I've also seen it stutterer and lag on the iPhone 6. Haven't seen the Air 2 stutter and lag though, I'd put that down to the RAM. iOS 8 is just terrible at memory management.

Yeah, as said I noticed some stuttering on the first gen iPad Air too, only wanted to point out that not all A7 devices seem to suffer noticeable performance loss with iOS 8.

While the 2 GB RAM on iPad Air 2 surely help, I think the stuttering is rather due to graphics limitations than RAM, as the A8X's GPU is more than twice as performant as the A7's. That would also explain why iPhone 5s performs so much better than the first gen iPad Air, as the same GPU has to push over four times the pixels in the iPad.

 

[attila]

I neither see the point of this, nor the ghastly transparency effects that's already plaguing Yosemite.

 

[oldmacs]

Yeah, as said I noticed some stuttering on the first gen iPad Air too, only wanted to point out that not all A7 devices seem to suffer noticeable performance loss with iOS 8.

While the 2 GB RAM on iPad Air 2 surely help, I think the stuttering is rather due to graphics limitations than RAM, as the A8X's GPU is more than twice as performant as the A7's. That would also explain why iPhone 5s performs so much better than the first gen iPad Air, as the same GPU has to push over four times the pixels in the iPad.

I think its a ram issue, as the effects in iOS 7 were identical to that in iOS 8, yet hardware that could render the effects fine in iOS 7 can't consistently render them in iOS 8...