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OS X 10.11 Could Feature Control Center, 'Rootless' Security and More, iOS 9 to Support A5-Based Devices

OSX had been a let down every version since snow leopard.
With i'ts ugly unintuitive flat interface I can't see Yosemite clanging this.

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dysamoria said:
Even the 7.1 update was a downgrade to the iPhone 4. That's why I avoided it. Well, that and the fact that it's hideous. I am unimpressed that the talk is on optimization. The goal should ALWAYS be to optimize performance. We've been missing a Snow Leopard-quality Mac OS for years now, and iOS has stopped being compelling or special (quite the opposite, in fact). Fixing this mess of bloat and hideous GUI is not a wow factor.

What WOULD wow me was if Apple admitted the flat look was never a good idea, reversed course on it, AND optimized iOS so much that it ran on an iPhone 4 (as well as iOS 6 does, which is marginal anymore with all the bloat on websites today).

Never happen.
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Spot on!
Every version since snow leopard has been a let down, and i really hope apple get over this flat usability nightmare of an interface soon!
 
mr.bee said:
Probably in the minority but I'm actually looking forward to control center

I miss an airplane function on my rmbp for example.
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It all depends upon what they put into control center, how easy it is to work with and how easy developers can access the panel. Like others have mentioned something's are done easier form the keyboard. Things like screen brightness, volume and such.

I'd like to see network access moved to such a screen as it would free up menu bar width. I'm thinking here to minimize right hand menus.
 
Yebubbleman said:
At this point, I'd be shocked if the A5 continued to get support. Their strains to optimize iOS 8 to run smoother on A5 devices perfectly demonstrates how difficult the task is
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Honestly no, I don't really think any effort has been put into optimization on any platform. This may very well be the last real effort to support 32 bit hardware though.
and with none of their first and second tier iOS devices running it (and with most iPad 2 and iPhone 4s users having sold their devices in favor of newer versions), they don't have much incentive to keep supporting it.
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Hell my iPhone is still an iPhone 4, not even an S. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that don't want to give up their "4" series phones. This update wouldn't do me any good but 4S owners would be happy.
 
extricated said:
I disagree.
Not because I own anything with an A5 processor (I don't anymore), but because I think it's a good thing that they are looking to maintain software support for older devices. Especially iPads, which are (typically) not upgraded nearly as often as iPhones.
Some people, for whatever reason, are totally cool with using a device until it is competely not working. If the software supports them using it, I say "go for it".
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I counter disagree :p

The problem is that by continuously supporting outdated hardware with a platform like iOS they won't be able to truly use their newer processors to their full potential.

With OSX devices it's different. If you want to run more powerful applications then you buy a more powerful Mac. Simple.

The problem is with iOS all apps must be able to run on all supported hardware. Today's A-series processors are so much more powerful than those of 2011. Yet any app written for today's processors must be able to run on 2011's processor, which limits the features of said app. The hardware is moving forward, yet the software and applications are forced to stand still.
 
matthewhuk said:
Every version since snow leopard has been a let down, and i really hope apple get over this flat usability nightmare of an interface soon!
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Then it will be a very long time, cos it's here to stay... Why would Apple introduce flat icons then suddenly change it to an older looking style ?

Unless enough users complain, which i also doubt would happen.

This new "trusted Wi-fi" Apple is putting out almost sounds like "known networks" we currently have....

In that, i do not see a difference... because known networks are joined automatically without needing to input your password. Same on iOS.

Is Rootless the same as not requiring root ? If so, why is a good thing ?
 
Well; if the rumours about only phablets and no phones again this year are true, I might see if getting a 4s is practical. Downgrade in power, upgrade in form.
 
deconstruct60 said:
Some impact is probable. It will probably require more gyrations, but still be possible in the end on a narrower set of hardware components. It is probably going to be harder to get in and operate as root (and get access to root controlled resources/files/etc.). The boot process is probably going to have more restrictions at least on the files that Apple provides.

This is likely another layer of malware protection on top of kext signing. From Apple's perspective the distinction between malware and Hackintosh isn't very much. Files aren't just signed, there would be more restrictions on modifying/mutating/deleting some of them also.
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Aye, definitely. As long as it can be disabled, it should be fine I imagine, just as currently the Kext signing can be disabled with a boot string.

Granted, that removes any of the security benefits, but I guess one acknowledges that when they build a Hackintosh anyhow.
 
matthewhuk said:
OSX had been a let down every version since snow leopard.
With i'ts ugly unintuitive flat interface I can't see Yosemite clanging this.

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Spot on!
Every version since snow leopard has been a let down, and i really hope apple get over this flat usability nightmare of an interface soon!
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Snow leopard took two years to actually become stable . . . And I still had issues in 10.6.8.
I represented the flat design before it was a trend, I find skeuomorphism ugly and painful for my eyes.
 
manu chao said:
The original iPad mini uses an A5 and they still sell it (and if we discount the TouchID addition to the iPad mini 2, aka iPad mini retina, in the form of the iPad mini 3, there still is a second tier device still using the A5).
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There's even still a first tier A5 device, without discounting anything: The current (5th gen) iPod touch.
 
Nee412 said:
I counter disagree :p

The problem is that by continuously supporting outdated hardware with a platform like iOS they won't be able to truly use their newer processors to their full potential.

With OSX devices it's different. If you want to run more powerful applications then you buy a more powerful Mac. Simple.

The problem is with iOS all apps must be able to run on all supported hardware. Today's A-series processors are so much more powerful than those of 2011. Yet any app written for today's processors must be able to run on 2011's processor, which limits the features of said app. The hardware is moving forward, yet the software and applications are forced to stand still.
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No thats not true.

They just won't put power sapping features on the older devices. Looks like they're taking a different approach, and have built a core operating system and are seeing what will and won't run.

I'd say ensuring that the core OS runs well on older hardware is a great way to make sure it uses minimal resources on newer devices.

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Yebubbleman said:
At this point, I'd be shocked if the A5 continued to get support. Their strains to optimize iOS 8 to run smoother on A5 devices perfectly demonstrates how difficult the task is and with none of their first and second tier iOS devices running it (and with most iPad 2 and iPhone 4s users having sold their devices in favor of newer versions), they don't have much incentive to keep supporting it.
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Hahah they put literally no effort into optimising iOS 8 on anything. As evidenced by how terribly the A7 iPads run it. My iPad Mini 2 can't even open mail without the same stutter towards the end of the animation. My iPad 2 funnily enough can open it without a stutter. Thats besides the point though. The obvious lack of optimisation on anything is all too obvious on almost any device, including the iPhone 6 which stutters.

Around 45-50 percent of iPads in use today are iPad 2s or Mini 1s, and a further 10 percent on the iPad 3 + around 15-20 percent of iPhone users on the 4S. Plus they're still selling the Mini 1 and Touch 5, and the Touch 5 is a first tier device, as it is being sold as one.
 
The more I test the OS X and iOS betas, the more I get deceived by the stability every year, even with betas in the later stages, and I don't want to test them anymore. Then again, it's obvious, it's a B-E-T-A.

But every time I read these rumors and watch an Apple keynote, it's beyond me. I completely get over the word beta and there's a mysterious force field pushing me to install these things no matter what, because I can't wait for the new stuff.

At least I'm a developer and I do have a reason to test these things (at least iOS).

I'm eager to see these versions. :apple:
 
MacRumors said:
Apple is also reportedly working on a major new kernel-level security system called "Rootless" for OS X and iOS that will help curb malware and protect sensitive data by prohibiting users from accessing certain protected files on Mac and iOS devices. "Rootless" appears to be a permanent feature of iOS, much to the chagrin of the jailbreaking community, but can likely be disabled on OS X.
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Oh dear, this worries me. Does anyone think this could be a step to further lock down OS X and force users to rely on the Mac App Store? Or is it just to prevent users from modifying system files?

I know it may very well be able to be disabled, but I'm planning on getting a Retina MacBook Pro at some point in the future (iOS has been my gateway drug leading to this decision) and I'd like to be able to install applications from alternate sources if possible.
 
Zxxv said:
trusted wifi would be nice, have hey siri work when on one whilst plugged in. Having siri available from the lock screen is not very security conscious because anyone can get at all your contact details especially your own which can show so much about you.

trusted wifi plugged in and hey siri working would be welcomed especially for home kit :)
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To my mind a really nice addition to the continuity features would be if all devices which have "Hey Siri" activated could communicate about which device answers when they are too close together and all receiving your command.

You could set a preferred hierarchy, for example that if you have an iPhone, iPad and iMac altogether in one room, only the iMac answers (given that they implemented Siri in OS X).

Or the devices could dynamically decide which one is best suited to answer your request, for example if you're saying something app-related only a device which has the mentioned app installed answers.

Or maybe even easier, you could just mention the devices name, like "Hey Siri, put my phone to flight mode" or "Hey Siri, FaceTime call with Maria on my iPad".
 
manu chao said:
Which makes you wonder whether the iPod touch will ever get another update.
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Just lately, there have been rumors about that. I'd say, there's two options: either Apple just silently buries the iPod touch line this fall, or they introduce the 6th generation. The latter doesn't seem too unlikely to me, because why else should they have stretched the 5th generations lifespan as a first tier device to almost three years?
 
macduke said:
LOL, this is the funniest thing I've read today. Congrats! That would be so confusing…just switching the "i/I" from the start to the end.
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Thanks... Looking back at what I said, that really would be a horrible idea if they did that.
 
willboston said:
Personally, I would enjoy the change for two reasons:

  1. My menu bar is a soup of icons, and a few of these—wifi, volume, Airplay, and other utilities—would be nicer off screen in a Control Center.
  2. I switch devices from Mac to iPhone to Mac to iPad to Mac all day…*consistency here would be awesome.
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how about continuity on my 2011 MBA that clearly is capable?
 
AppleFan91 said:
All I want is an iCloud Drive app that functions like Dropbox. It's an iOS app and OS X app that lets me just drag and drop. Also, bump iCloud storage from 5 GB to 25GB.

Also maybe editable control center would be pretty hot too
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