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OS X 10.4 Tiger build 8A378 Seeded

sbb155 said:
Why do we have to PAY for jag, panther and tiger?
They are all 10.XX!!!
We don't pay for Win XP SP1 or SP2 after buying the original.
I hate this aspect of having to "buy" the upgraded OS, but I suppose it is a good business decision for apple....In the end, it is a company that wants to make money... guess I can't blame them...

No doubt though, I will not get a mini or PB or PM until tiger is out... Hate to pay $129 for something I can get free in a month or two... But the wait... it is killing me...
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Sorry but your analogy is wrong...
We did have to pay for
Win95
Win95 OS release 2
Win98
Win98 second edition
Windows Me

What you are failing to understand is that in the UNIX world Major OS releases are usually x.x releases whereas service pack updates are
x.x.x updates. or even x.x.x.x updates
 
Well, it's not in my ADC (Select) download, so this isn't general seed. I think there's quite a bit of work left to do on Tiger.
 
daveL said:
Well, it's not in my ADC (Select) download, so this isn't general seed. I think there's quite a bit of work left to do on Tiger.
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hehe I have it.
And yes you are right there is still alot of work to be done
 
They got it all wrong. 8a378 isn't released to developers at all. It's released to seed members on Appleseed, who have to literally sign an NDA and are under strict confidentiality orders.

😡

Seems like Appleseed has a leak...
 
grabberslasher said:
They got it all wrong. 8a378 isn't released to developers at all. It's released to seed members on Appleseed, who have to literally sign an NDA and are under strict confidentiality orders.

😡

Seems like Appleseed has a leak...
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You are absolutely correct.... It is a seed release.

but developer members are also bound by NDA... read the agreement
 
Tiger thought

Reading the list of bugs.. I think this..

Gosh.. it is REALLY hard forApple to make it REALLY easy for us.

🙂
 
GFLPraxis said:
Tiger is in Beta.
Longhorn is still in Alpha though, and the current builds suck so bad I don't think we'll see a beta anytime soon 😀
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I just keep wondering what's the point of the whole longhorn anymore when all the stuff they have been hyping aren't there anymore 😛 it's more like XP SP3 now 😛 Then again, I'm no Windows expert, so I might be missing something.
 
puckhead193 said:
Yea, i'm going to wait till school is over so if my computer crashes i won't be screwed....
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aw c'mon! the percentage of people getting in trouble with major upgrades is probably something like 0.5%! That's not much. Your computer won't die because of a system upgrade ffs!
 
I've seen a few "Those are major bugs! This will take a lot longer to get out the door!!" comments. It should be pointed out that the severity of the bug doesn't relate to how hard or easy it will be to fix.
A bug that trashes your hard drive, grows an AI, and takes over the world may be a very simple fix (assuming you fix it before it takes over the world). While a bug that causes an unwarranted beep in 2% of the programs, on 2% of the machines, could take forever to pinpoint.

Ask any program how many lines of code it takes to bring a program to it's knees, and how changing a single character can often times fix it 😉
In my limited experience while learning C++, it is FAR easier to pinpoint larger issues with a program, because those are the ones you're used to dealing with 🙄
It's the damn little nitpicky ones that make no sense at all, and the ones you spend forever and a day past when HW is due trying to fix 😎 😀

So just because Apple has some "Major" bugs to work out, doesn't mean there isn't a programer fixing it with literally his single hand in 5 minutes.

~Tyler
 
Earendil said:
I've seen a few "Those are major bugs! This will take a lot longer to get out the door!!" comments. It should be pointed out that the severity of the bug doesn't relate to how hard or easy it will be to fix.
A bug that trashes your hard drive, grows an AI, and takes over the world may be a very simple fix (assuming you fix it before it takes over the world). While a bug that causes an unwarranted beep in 2% of the programs, on 2% of the machines, could take forever to pinpoint.

Ask any program how many lines of code it takes to bring a program to it's knees, and how changing a single character can often times fix it 😉
In my limited experience while learning C++, it is FAR easier to pinpoint larger issues with a program, because those are the ones you're used to dealing with 🙄
It's the damn little nitpicky ones that make no sense at all, and the ones you spend forever and a day past when HW is due trying to fix 😎 😀

So just because Apple has some "Major" bugs to work out, doesn't mean there isn't a programer fixing it with literally his single hand in 5 minutes.

~Tyler
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Exactly....
here is an example of one in Panther...

netstat -r

netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
seg fault.

Apple doesnt even plan on ever fixing this under Panther. We were told that they wont fix it until Tiger.
 
nagromme said:
As for Longhorn... I'm glad there's SOMETHING left in their plans 🙂 I really wish Apple laptops had a way to check the battery without looking at the screen 🙄
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You guys are picking on the poster for no reason. He gave the most basic example of what that feature can do. Potentially it can do anything a programmer wanted. Example. The LCD is on the back of the lapotp lid. It displays a list of e-mail that haven't been read yet. Potientially the system could wake up. Look for a WIFI network. Attempt to download your mail once every few hours. Then go back to sleep. So the LCD could actually update on the fly. Also battery gadges are never very accurate. Tieing the hardware into the software will allow more accurate gadges. So when it says there is 1:26 minutes it means it. From what I've read, and I could be wrong, there is going to be an API link to this screen so developers can add to it.
Don't **** on an idea because the initial description was bad.
 
~loserman~ said:
Exactly....
here is an example of one in Panther...

netstat -r

netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
seg fault.

Apple doesnt even plan on ever fixing this under Panther. We were told that they wont fix it until Tiger.
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Maybe Apple is trying to say is that Tiger is so close to release that there is no point to fix it in Panther as there are multiple people just waiting to upgrade due to they research. 😉 🙂

Its all about Marketing. 😉 🙂
 
Windowlicker said:
aw c'mon! the percentage of people getting in trouble with major upgrades is probably something like 0.5%! That's not much. Your computer won't die because of a system upgrade ffs!
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Tell that to the people who used filevault in Panther and had "issues".
 
SiliconAddict said:
You guys are picking on the poster for no reason. He gave the most basic example of what that feature can do. Potentially it can do anything a programmer wanted. Example. The LCD is on the back of the lapotp lid. It displays a list of e-mail that haven't been read yet. Potientially the system could wake up. Look for a WIFI network. Attempt to download your mail once every few hours. Then go back to sleep. So the LCD could actually update on the fly. Also battery gadges are never very accurate. Tieing the hardware into the software will allow more accurate gadges. So when it says there is 1:26 minutes it means it. From what I've read, and I could be wrong, there is going to be an API link to this screen so developers can add to it.
Don't **** on an idea because the initial description was bad.
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Honestly I don't see why anyone would remove they notebook from its case just to find a WiFi signal. It sound kinda retarded that you hold your notebook in both hands roaming around the store just to find a prime signal spot. Plus who really cares to remove they notebook to even check they email status. If you want something of the sort buy a blackberry or palm/mobile.

Its sounds like a tacky idea by M$, trying to make a notebook with integrated PIM features on the lid of a lcd. An external lcd remote might work better. Still kinda pointless. 🙂

There are already notebooks on the market that have LED for WiFi, etc...look at SONY for one. 😉 🙂
 
SiliconAddict said:
Tell that to the people who used filevault in Panther and had "issues".
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FileVault and external FW 400 drive, that was an embarrassment to Panther and Apple. 😛 🙂
 
rendezvouscp said:
I think you're joking here, but just to make sure: you can look at the battery on a PowerBook and see how much charge by the 25%, it has.
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Sorry, yes, that was humor 🙂 And MY PowerBook shows 20% increments... not to brag 😉


sbb155 said:
Why do we have to PAY for jag, panther and tiger?
They are all 10.XX!!!
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Because they are NOT dot releases in the way some companies use them--they are major releases. Panther is equivalent to Max OS 13 and Tiger is equivalent to Mac OS 14. But "X" is a nice logo and good branding, so Apple uses a dot when another company might not.

Do you care more about features and the amount of improvement you get, or do you care more about the number?

Micrsosoft doesn't use standard X.X version numbering either. After 3.0 they started going with names.

You're right though to wait until Tiger before buying, if you possibly can!
 
Fixing iSync?

I just hope that they get iSync fixed. Specifically MirrorAgent. It the biggest POS app in Panther. It is constantly gives me trouble and freezing my PowerBook. It has gotten to the point were I have renamed the MirrorAgent.app so that it can not load. Please for the love of [insert deity of choice] fix it, Apple!
 
maya said:
Maybe Apple is trying to say is that Tiger is so close to release that there is no point to fix it in Panther as there are multiple people just waiting to upgrade due to they research. 😉 🙂

Its all about Marketing. 😉 🙂
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Nope.... Good try though...
We have almost daily discussions with Apple, specifically on the status of both Panther and Tiger and the suitability of either for our problems.
And Apple is nowhere near suggesting that Tiger is anywhere close to..
A. being released
B. being stable enough for us to try on our systems.

I can assure you that If Apple thought Tiger was close enough to be stable for us they would come to or site and install it themselves.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Don't **** on an idea because the initial description was bad.
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No obscene acts intended 🙂 I for one was joking. (About the specific feature described--but serious about implying that Longhorn has been losing features.) Can't vouch for others.
 
~loserman~ said:
Nope.... Good try though...
We have almost daily discussions with Apple, specifically on the status of both Panther and Tiger and the suitability of either for our problems.
And Apple is nowhere near suggesting that Tiger is anywhere close to..
A. being released
B. being stable enough for us to try on our systems.

I can assure you that If Apple thought Tiger was close enough to be stable for us they would come to or site and install it themselves.
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The Apple Tech's are on they way*.... 😉 🙂



*its a little humour, to lighten up this Monday work day. 🙂
 
nagromme said:
No obscene acts intended 🙂 I for one was joking. (About the specific feature described--but serious about implying that Longhorn has been losing features.) Can't vouch for others.
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Now you know why they call it LongHorn, its because its taking a Long time to release and they market share will Horned in on by the time its released. 😉 🙂



Okay its not that great of a joke. 😱 🙂
 
maya said:
The Apple Tech's are on they way*.... 😉 🙂



*its a little humour, to lighten up this Monday work day. 🙂
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Well that will be a first. We have never had any Apple techs here, but We have had plenty of their Engineers

It all may be moot for us anyway.... because we are likely going to switch to linux
 
~loserman~ said:
Well that will be a first. We have never had any Apple techs here, but We have had plenty of their Engineers
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Apple has sent you they junior engineers, they senior engineers are trying to fit a G5 into the PowerBook. 😉 🙂
 
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