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OS X 10.4 Tiger build 8A378 Seeded

sbb155 said:
Why do we have to PAY for jag, panther and tiger?
They are all 10.XX!!!
We don't pay for Win XP SP1 or SP2 after buying the original.
I hate this aspect of having to "buy" the upgraded OS, but I suppose it is a good business decision for apple....In the end, it is a company that wants to make money... guess I can't blame them...

No doubt though, I will not get a mini or PB or PM until tiger is out... Hate to pay $129 for something I can get free in a month or two... But the wait... it is killing me...
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Dude you do know what version numbers Windows 2000, XP, and 2003 are right?
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I think 2003 is listed as .3

MS simply pulls a fast one by naming their OS's instead of telling you the version number. Oooo its Windows 98. Windows ME. Windows 2000. Windows XP. :rolleyes:
 
SiliconAddict said:
Tell that to the people who used filevault in Panther and had "issues".
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Well, you have a point there. Maybe I should've put my lines something like this: "about 0.5% of the users who do not use FW-drives and filevault".
 
SiliconAddict said:
Dude you do know what version numbers Windows 2000, XP, and 2003 are right?
WindowsVersions.jpg


I think 2003 is listed as .3

MS simply pulls a fast one by naming their OS's instead of telling you the version number. Oooo its Windows 98. Windows ME. Windows 2000. Windows XP. :rolleyes:
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WOW! 31+ days of uptime on a PC?! Is that even possible? :p
 
~loserman~ said:
Exactly....
here is an example of one in Panther...

netstat -r

netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
netstat: kvm_read: Bad address
seg fault.

Apple doesnt even plan on ever fixing this under Panther. We were told that they wont fix it until Tiger.
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netstat -r works fine on my PowerMac G5 running 10.3.8. What version are you running?
 
Hoping for an April release for Tiger. Decided to wait till Tiger comes out before getting my 12" PBook.
 
I'm in no hurry to buy a new Mac. I'll buy Tiger the day it's released. At the rate I'm going, a new Mac I buy will definitely have Mac OS X 10.4 "Tiger" preinstalled, and may even have Mac OS X 10.5 "???" preinstalled (Apple hasn't announced a code name for Mac OS X 10.5 yet).
 
Developers don’t seem to be very happy with the current Spotlight development status, they find that the initial indexing is way too long, it may take a few days to index a large amount of data, no matter how fast your Mac is. The indexing is taking a lot of system ressources as well and makes the whole configuration quite slow.
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When will Apple stop the whole notion that Indexing is necessary? Ever since Sherlock was the file search engine they have been using indexing to index the content of files. There is a lone function in Unix which requires no indexing, and if properly utilized can really speed up Spotlight. It is integrated into the search engine built-in to the webpage editor by barebones.com called BBEdit, and is a real boon to searching for files throughout a file system. Searching an indexed file may take hours if you take the time to index files, where as this function takes a few seconds. What is this holy grail of search utilities?

GREP.
 
joeboy_45101 said:
Couldn't agree with you more. I know that Apple has 1,000 engineers just working on it's iLife applications, so I can only imagine how many engineers they've got working to make 10.4 the best it can be.
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Actually, that 1,000 number was for the the entire applications division. Here's the relevant paragraph from the Fortune article:

So Apple plunged into the OS X applications business. It bought a languishing project from web software company Macromedia, and in less than a year turned out two programs that capitalized on the iMac's ability to connect to digital camcorders: a video-editing program for professionals called Final Cut Pro and a simplified version for consumers called iMovie. Apple's Applications Software Division, which sprang from the project to become what is now a 1,000-engineer-strong group, has been on a roll ever since.
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So those 1,000 people work on iLife, iWork, FCP, FCE, DVD SP, Motion, Shake, Logic, Remote Desktop...

The number of people in the OS division appears to be about the same. Fortune mentions that 1,000 people worked full-time on 10.0, and I've seen that number mentioned elsewhere. Also, last time I checked, Apple spent roughly the same amount on applications and OS R&D--about $120 million each, every year--so it's fairly safe to conclude that the number of people in each division is about the same.

Apple's hardware R&D budget, by the way, is roughly the same as the software budget (~$250 million a year).

FWIW
WM
 
maya said:
Though Steve gave a H1 2005 deadline, he likes to surprise and surpass expectations of Mac users and the industry. Plan on it being released before june way before june. ;) :)
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Like 3GHz PowerMacs? :rolleyes:
 
sw1tcher said:
My thoughts exactly.
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Yes it’s possible.

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OK. So I was wrong. I thought it was Sept that I did the upgrade. It was Oct. :p And I was wrong about Server 2003. Its listed as Windows 5.2 Which makes me wonder what Longshot is going to be? 5.3?

At any rate. Getting WAY off topic there.

Tiger builds. I personally wish Steve didn't put such a tight deadline. Putting pressure on developers is not a good thing IMHO. It causes stress and stress can cause mistakes. It would have been better to say by the end of '05. I mean at best the only OS Microsoft is going to have in place is a second edition of XP. (Right now its called Windows XP Reloaded. :rolleyes: ) So its not as if there is any major pressure to get it done NOW. *shrugs*
 
GFLPraxis said:
Tiger is in Beta.
Longhorn is still in Alpha though, and the current builds suck so bad I don't think we'll see a beta anytime soon :D
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That would be because everyone at the microsoft campus are just twiddling their thumbs mostly, waiting for tiger to release so they can then put the lcds in the photocopier and begin ripping it off for themselves.
 
drlunanerd said:
Like 3GHz PowerMacs? :rolleyes:
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hahaha BURN.
just kidding. kind of...
since when has apple actually surpassed expectations, especially on product releases? all i can think of in recent memory are the non-existant 3ghz g5 powermacs, the delayed releases of the existing powermac models, the delayed g5 imacs, shortages of this or that product...
 
Sceeered!

For some reason, I have a bad feeling about Tiger. Moving to the 64 bit processing seems to be an opening for a lot of trouble. Normally, I'm not a pessimistic person at all, ESPECIALLY when it comes to Apple products. Just looking at the list of strange problems still left with Tiger makes me wonder what kind of strange problems are going to arise when it's released to the public. If I invest in Tiger, I'll wait until it's 10.4.5 at least. Otherwise, I'll skip in and wait for the next big cat. I like Panther a lot (though it doesn't have those cute little widgets).
 
gopher said:
When will Apple stop the whole notion that Indexing is necessary? What is this holy grail of search utilities?
GREP.
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Grep will take a lot longer to find things than Spotlight. Just think if you had to read every line of a book to find something instead of just looking in the index. It's the same principle.
 
bathysphere said:
hahaha BURN.
just kidding. kind of...
since when has apple actually surpassed expectations, especially on product releases? all i can think of in recent memory are the non-existant 3ghz g5 powermacs, the delayed releases of the existing powermac models, the delayed g5 imacs, shortages of this or that product...
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iMac G3, iPod, iPod for Windows, iTMS, iTMS for Windows, PMG5, iMac G5, iPod mini, 17" PB (when released), etc.... You do not only look at the hardware aspect of it, you look at the whole. ;) :)

Forgot 10.2, 10.3, and now 10.4, care to rethink your input. :rolleyes: :p ;) :)
 
maya said:
iMac G3, iPod, iPod for Windows, iTMS, iTMS for Windows, PMG5, iMac G5, iPod mini, 17" PB (when released), etc.... You do not only look at the hardware aspect of it, you look at the whole. ;) :)

Forgot 10.2, 10.3, and now 10.4, care to rethink your input. :rolleyes: :p ;) :)
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no.
while all this stuff is great, they didn't really surpass or defy expectations. in most all these cases you list, they fell short in some fundamental way or another. and actually, in about 5 out of the 9 examples you list, they fell short of shipping expectations specifically (in addition to things like horrible graphics card, much slower clock speed than previously promised, price, and so on).
anyway, tiger looks nice, i definitely want it sooner than later, though i definitely want a relatively bug free product.
 
rikers_mailbox said:
WOW! 31+ days of uptime on a PC?! Is that even possible? :p
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But if you have more then 31 days uptime on a windows system you have missed some important updates. But then again it depends on what and how you use the system if it matters or not. Almost the same goes for 10.3 but the updates are not as necessary in a security point of view for the normal user.
 
rikers_mailbox said:
WOW! 31+ days of uptime on a PC?! Is that even possible? :p
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Sure it is. I've got a server that runs backup that hasn't been rebooted since July. I've got a web server that had almost 8 months uptime, but had to be rebooted for an OS upgrade and has been running for about 60 days since then. If you take care of your computer and invest in proper hardware, you can get excellent, lasting performance out of the machines. Even if they run Windows.
 
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