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OS X 10.5.2 (9C31) Seeded, Safari 3.1 Beta Incorporates Latest Webkit Features

FJ218700 said:
features 10.4.0 had :cool:
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Which features are you referring to? Tiger didn't have Stacks, at least not the way it's been implemented into Leopard.

And if you're talking about the menu bar, Leopard and Tiger sport the exact same one, the only differences are cosmetic.
 
hbt15 said:
Well aware of what a MAC is and what a RUMOR. This 10.5.2 stuff has gone past rumor stage and turned into thread full of obsessive maniacs. I like to read the threads as much as the next guy for often useful info pops up which is excellent. For the last 2 weeks it's just be a disgrace though. I'd hate to see how it's going to be by time it gets to 10.5.8 or .9.

Point i'm trying to make is it's an update. I can not remember the last time an updated got people so excited. Nor can i remember when an update changed anyones life by any meaningful margin.
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you sure you know what MAC is, cause its not the same as what Mac stands for.

MAC = Media Access Control
Mac = Macintosh

and right now 10.5.2 is not out yet, so everything stated about 10.5.2 until its release is considered a RUMOR
 
tcoleman said:
How about the networking issue where your wireless connection slows down and halts during a large download? :mad:
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couldn't agree more :(
this issue is quite annoying, happens to me too.

it also occurs while watching some video over my LAN (through the wireless connection)
 
lostfan916 said:
Gah! The wait is killing me, but a) I don't need it and b)I can wait because the longer the wait the better it will be.
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It will be just as it should have been in the first place. So don't be disappointed if it can't deliver fried eggs, sunny side up!
 
nemaslov said:
What's the matter? Your computer not working? It'll be out when its ready!!!
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Have you not noticed the thousands of messages from people who can't get a reliable wireless network connection in Leopard? This is a serious problem and it's really damaging to Apple's image - OS X definitely does NOT 'just work' any more. This will be remembered by those it has affected for a long time to come.

Just because you're not having problems doesn't mean that Leopard isn't seriously broken.
 
Eric S. said:
I know I'd like to see Classic mode come back. :mad:
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Dude, get on with the times. Classic is ancient. It's obsolete. Apple did a great thing when they took it behind the barn and put a bullet through it's head. Granted, they did that because Classic was 100% designed for PPC, porting it to Intel would have been a waste of time. But still.

But I'm afraid what we'll see is Apple dropping all support for PPC going forward.
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I bet that we will see one major release of OS X happen: 10.6 Lion. And that would be for both PPC and Intel. 10.6 will propably be demoed in WWDC 2009, and released in 2010. After that we will get Mac OS 11, and that will be Intel-only.
 
motulist said:
OS X (10) is going to be hear for at the very least another 8-10 years.
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IIRC, when OS X was released, SJ said that it will be their foundation for the next decade or so. And that time is almost up. I bet that after 10.6 we will see OS 11. And that would mean that OS X would be "the OS" of Apple for about 10-12 years (from 2001 to 2010+). What happens in OS 11? I bet it will be Intel-only, it will have a new filesystem (ZFS), it will have a new kernel (Solaris-kernel?) and it will have a new UI. Everything else is up in the air.
 
Wild-Bill said:
As in, made a copy of the Tiger install onto an external HDD (just in case) and nuked the drive & fresh-installed Leopard.

Won't see my wireless network unless I enable SSID broadcast. It was hit or miss for a while, but then just plain stopped finding it. And this is from 12 feet away from the router or less, in the same room. Trust me, it's Leopard.
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Honestion Question: Why do you have SSID broadcast turned off?
 
mambodancer said:
10.0 - Cheetah
10.1 - Puma
10.2 - Jaguar
10.3 - Panther
10.4 - Tiger
10.5 - Leopard

Been there, done that Cat. Sorry.
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There are some nice names still up for grab, I particularly like Oncilla:

* Subfamily Felinae
o Genus Puma
+ Cougar (Puma concolor)
+ Jaguarundi (Puma yagouaroundi)
o Genus Acinonyx
+ Cheetah (Acinonyx jubatus)
o Genus Lynx
+ Canadian Lynx (Lynx canadensis)
+ Eurasian Lynx (Lynx lynx)
+ Iberian Lynx (Lynx pardinus)
+ Bobcat (Lynx rufus)
o Genus Leopardus
+ Pantanal (Leopardus braccatus)
+ Colocolo (Leopardus colocolo)
+ Ocelot (Leopardus pardalis)
+ Oncilla (Leopardus tigrinus)
+ Margay (Leopardus wiedii)
o Genus Leptailurus
+ Serval (Leptailurus serval)
o Genus Caracal
+ Caracal (Caracal caracal)
* Subfamily Pantherinae
o Genus Panthera
+ Lion (Panthera leo)
+ Jaguar (Panthera onca)
+ Leopard (Panthera pardus)
+ Tiger (Panthera tigris)
 
Evangelion said:
Why should it be broadcast? If it's a private WLAN meant for private use, why exactly should it be broadcasting the SSID?
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Again, you didn't answering the f*cking question; why is broadcasting turned off? turn on security to WPA2, and voila, no worries. Stop trying to think you're special because you turn **** off that you know nothing about.

Btw, my university has its SSID turned off, and I don't have a single problem. Ever thought that your router just plain well sucks - if it is a neatgear, its a waste of plastic, chuck it out and get a better one.
 
kaiwai said:
Again, you didn't answering the f*cking question; why is broadcasting turned off?
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Because it does not have to be broadcasted? Because broadcasting the SSID draws attention to it? Because I and everyone who wants to use the network already know the SSID? Why should it be broadcasted? So that I could announce to the entire neighbourhood that "Hey everybody, I have a WLAN!"? So that buggy piece of software does not spontaneously combust?

turn on security to WPA2, and voila, no worries. Stop trying to think you're special because you turn **** off that you know nothing about.

Btw, my university has its SSID turned off, and I don't have a single problem. Ever thought that your router just plain well sucks - if it is a neatgear, its a waste of plastic, chuck it out and get a better one.
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I'm not the one having issues with SSID, I just commented on the question about broadcasting the SSID. Broadcasting the SSID should not in any shape or form be required. In fact, if it's a closed network, I would very much suggest turning the broadcasting off.
 
Evangelion said:
Because it does not have to be broadcasted? Because broadcasting the SSID draws attention to it? Because I and everyone who wants to use the network already know the SSID? Why should it be broadcasted? So that I could announce to the entire neighbourhood that "Hey everybody, I have a WLAN!"? So that buggy piece of software does not spontaneously combust?

I'm not the one having issues with SSID, I just commented on the question about broadcasting the SSID. Broadcasting the SSID should not in any shape or form be required. In fact, if it's a closed network, I would very much suggest turning the broadcasting off.
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Put it another way, have you enabled SSID, and do you experience the same problems?
 
kaiwai said:
Put it another way, have you enabled SSID, and do you experience the same problems?
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I do not broadcast my SSID. And I'm not sure what problems the other guy is experiencing, but I do occasionally have problems with WLAN. it just stops working, and I have to disable Airport, and then re-enable it and then it starts to work again. But that's not a major issue for me, I have that problem maybe once a week or so.
 
Southernboy said:
Pressing the escape key stops a page rendering for me ;)
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Yes but the stop/refresh button should do what it was designed to do. if you hit the stop button when a page is loading it should stop when you press it not wait till the page loads. some times when you hit stop when the page is loading it has a delayed reaction and just happens to press when the button becomes the refresh button. it gets quite annoying
 
Evangelion said:
I do not broadcast my SSID. And I'm not sure what problems the other guy is experiencing, but I do occasionally have problems with WLAN. it just stops working, and I have to disable Airport, and then re-enable it and then it starts to work again. But that's not a major issue for me, I have that problem maybe once a week or so.
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That isn't the issue. The issue is, if one is having problems with SSID turned off, has one tried it turned on to see if the same fault/problems re-appear.

I don't know why people here are so damn dense when it comes to problem solving and experimenting to track down issues.
 
10.5.0

Not meaning to be a smarty or anything like that ... but if, for me, the original version 10.5.0, bought at the Leopard launch party, is working fine for me, with no problems, should I upgrade to 10.5.2 ? If it ain't broke, don't fix it could be right for me?

I heard stories of people's Macs being sunk by 10.5.1, so maybe if my Mac is trouble free with 10.5.0, I should just leave it that way??

Besides, the semi-transparent menu bar doesn't bother me.

What do you think?
 
katewes said:
Not meaning to be a smarty or anything like that ... but if, for me, the original version 10.5.0, bought at the Leopard launch party, is working fine for me, with no problems, should I upgrade to 10.5.2 ? If it ain't broke, don't fix it could be right for me?

I heard stories of people's Macs being sunk by 10.5.1, so maybe if my Mac is trouble free with 10.5.0, I should just leave it that way??

Besides, the semi-transparent menu bar doesn't bother me.

What do you think?
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I haven't had any issues with 10.5.1, works great, and 10.5.2 is supposed to add more refinement on top of 10.5.1 with over 130 bug fixes, so I'd recommend installing it personally.
 
kaiwai said:
I don't know why people here are so damn dense when it comes to problem solving and experimenting to track down issues.
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Maybe people are being "dense" because not broadcasting the SSID is perfectly normal thing to do, and that software should "just work" even if the accesspoint is not blasting it's SSID to everyone within 100 meter radius? Maybe we just assume that things work? I mean, disabling SSID-broadcasting is not unusual or unsupported feature. Maybe we have other things to do than muck around with our AP's that are working within established parameters?

Why do I get the feeling that if I or someone else tried enabling the broadcast, and it fixes the issue, you would then proclaim that "so just turn broadcasting on and be done with it"? No, that would not solve the issue.
 
katewes said:
Not meaning to be a smarty or anything like that ... but if, for me, the original version 10.5.0, bought at the Leopard launch party, is working fine for me, with no problems, should I upgrade to 10.5.2 ? If it ain't broke, don't fix it could be right for me?

I heard stories of people's Macs being sunk by 10.5.1, so maybe if my Mac is trouble free with 10.5.0, I should just leave it that way??

Besides, the semi-transparent menu bar doesn't bother me.

What do you think?
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Only in rare cases does a point upgrade make things worse. In general you should always upgrade last digit point upgrades.
 
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