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The fact that the build version has only incremented by 1, surely means it must be near there?

I would have to agree. A couple weeks ago it was pretty clear that Apple had several internal builds prior to what they seeded to developers.
 
Ahhh, come on, you have to be joking. Safari is one of the worst browsers out there. It crashes regularly. It can't render many sites properly. It also is querky in the way it renders a page. The dimensions keep changing and gui elements move around until the page is fully rendered.

By contrast, firefox on the mac, and IE on windows are both faster. Rendered pages are mapped out first and then gui elements are rendered but they don't constantly resize while rendering. They also handle more websites correctly and play more embedded video / audio.

Apple has fallen behind in the browser area. I for one would like to see a complete re-make of safari with a user friendly Apple flair.

I've been a dedicated Firefox user for a few years now. I've got both a Mac (PowerMac Dual 553 G4 with 512 ram running Tiger on my primary hard drive with Leopard on a 2nd drive but so far too slow with my current graphics card (ancient Rage 128) and/or CPU compared to Tiger for my tastes for me to switch to on a daily basis; I'm ordering a newer graphics card and will retry then) and a PC (AMD64 5600+, 2 gigs ram, 7900GS graphics) that is dual-booting XP SP2 and Linux, networked together.

My conclusions are this after trying Safari 3.0 on Tiger, IE7 on Windows and Firefox on my old Win98 machine (PIII 1GHz), the current PC with both WinXP and Linux and under MacOSX Tiger:

1> Firefox is about the same speed on my Dual 553 G4 Mac as it was on my old 1GHz PIII Win98 machine. Given the CPU power for a single G4 there (Firefox is single threaded), that makes sense.

2> IE7 is WAY better than I ever expected given how much I hated IE5 and IE6. It is also multi-threaded and therefore not prone to the massive slow-down freezes Firefox has on bad behaving javascript pages (e.g. blogs).

3> Safari 3.0 WIPES THE FLOOR with Firefox 2.0.11. It is SO much faster on my Mac than Firefox that it's not even funny. In fact, it's almost as fast as Firefox is on my AMD 5600+ (on either XP or Linux)! I've heard rumors Safari 3.x may be multi-threaded for tabs, at least. I can't confirm that offhand, but I know it's the fastest of all the browsers I've tried and it's blatantly obvious on this Mac G4, which isn't exactly up to date in terms of CPU speed. In short, it makes this Mac a VERY usable Internet machine. M$ Office 2004 and file serving duties along with nice X11 integration with Linux on my other machine (I mostly use XP for playing games). I HAVE seen Safari crash, but overall it's been pretty darn stable here (no worse than Firefox which I've also seen crash numerous times and which seems to have a really bad/slow memory leak(s) in it as it becomes unstable over time until it crashes and/or needs reloaded).

I'm not sure if this machine (short of upgrading the CPU at which point I might as well go get a newer desktop Mac) will ever run Leopard to the point where I feel like running it on a daily basis (Leopard seems like a downgrade to me whereas all prior updates of MacOSX seemed FASTER, but then the graphics card is so crappy on this Mac, it might just need a cheap Radeon7500 or something to make it compete with Tiger as really only the GUI animations stuff is the only thing that really feels 'slow' on it. I simply have had no need for 3D on the mac given its lack of gaming capability regardless). So I hope Apple continues to update Safari 3.x for Tiger for awhile as technically, their own installer doesn't even support this Mac for Leopard (easy enough to get around it using a simple Open Firmware fake out command, though).

I do love Firefox's free extension capability (I wish more other than Adblock were available for Safari), but at least on this older Mac, the speed improvements over Firefox are worth the slight shortcomings. Ironically, if Apple drops support for Safari for Tiger, they would have removed the fastest quality browser there is for older Macs that aren't supported in Leopard anymore (although you might be surprised how fast Firefox will run on it through X11 networking...i.e. having the PC do the CPU lifting and letting the mac act as an X11 terminal. Heck, maybe I'm too geeky with the Linux/X11 stuff to really appreciate a straight use Mac. I'm compiling Firefox-X11 for Apple's X11 right now to test its speed out. I already installed KDE 3.5.8 on the Mac to connect to the Linux box and play with X11 across the network).
 
****, i just got this news from a friend who works at apple and is OS X coder:

Deeply hurt by Linus Torvalds rant that Leopard has a crappy file-system, the entire OS X division and Apple have decided not to release 10.5.2 but instead continue to issue seeds to ACD members between now and the next 24 months until the file-system is completely re-written.

I'm not sure exactly (and he couldn't tell me) if it was ZFS or a different file-system.
 
What about it? Why should they waste time in supporting an OS that is utterly obsolete?

OS 9 is dead, it's time to move on.

Rossetta has nothing to do with OS 9. Your thinking of Classic which has been done away with for the Intel Macs and I believe Leopard totally. Rossetta allows PPC native apps to work on the Intel Macs
 
Rossetta has nothing to do with OS 9. Your thinking of Classic which has been done away with for the Intel Macs and I believe Leopard totally. Rossetta allows PPC native apps to work on the Intel Macs

I never claimed that Rosetta has anything to do with Classic. I even asked "what about it?".
 
****, i just got this news from a friend who works at apple and is OS X coder:

Deeply hurt by Linus Torvalds rant that Leopard has a crappy file-system, the entire OS X division and Apple have decided not to release 10.5.2 but instead continue to issue seeds to ACD members between now and the next 24 months until the file-system is completely re-written.

I'm not sure exactly (and he couldn't tell me) if it was ZFS or a different file-system.
Are you bored? This absolutely makes no sense.
 
This absolutely makes no sense.

It wasn't supposed to. Humans have this interesting social custom where they say or do things that are obviously outlandish in an attempt to create good feelings in the recipient. It's called humor. We should stop doing so many anal probes in our ufo laboratories and start doing more studies on this behavior called "joking around."
 
I think you're right. It'll help trim the code a little. Well, I think 10.6 will not be a universal binary and have 4 processor libraries, but it might have some implementation of Rosetta in it so people can run their old PPC apps.

But I'm afraid what we'll see is Apple dropping all support for PPC going forward.
 
See? This is exactly the type of post that pisses me off. "Everything works fine on my setup, so anyone who has a problem must be an idiot or a liar." F you dude. Read my other posts in this thread and the zillions of others like mine in other threads


There are also zillions of users that are running Leopard and have zero (or minor) issues, myself included. How does stating the fact that Leopard is running fine for some offend you? :confused:
 
Does anyone here have access to builds of 10.5.2? Have Apple reinstated the playing of video in the Dock when QT is minimized?

I have access to all seeds, but like everyone else who does we cannot say anything about them due to the strict NDA we signed with Apple. Sorry.
 
There are also zillions of users that are running Leopard and have zero (or minor) issues, myself included. How does stating the fact that Leopard is running fine for some offend you? :confused:

Because he didn't just say "it's running fine for some people." He said:

I am on a wireless network at home and at work and everything runs fine. I have a hard time believing the posts that complain... Am I just unusually lucky or are the posters with bad experiences very unlucky or worse?
In my business if you can't repeat a suspected software problem on all similar hardware then you have just ruled out the software.
 
Just release it already. Stop toying with us Apple.

When they release a new beta, it means someone found a problem they consider unacceptable to ship, and they try and fix it.

Do you really want them to just go ahead and ship instead of fixing problems they consider show stoppers?

I hope the delay is because they are working on the 'first keystroke often not registered' bug on newer MBPs.

I get that problem sometimes on both my machines, neither of which is a macbook. I hope they fix it, never had it in 10.4 or earlier.
 
getElementsByClassName: W00t!

Webkit's performance increase is crazy over the already fast Safari 3.0. Hopefully Safari 3.1 fixes the wonkiness in 3.0.

As for 10.5.2, same goes. 10.5.1 is soooooo flakey at times. Spaces (according to lots of long-time Apple devs I've spoken to) is riddled with bugs (which I've witnessed). Bring on the bug fixes! :apple:
 
Maybe people are being "dense" because not broadcasting the SSID is perfectly normal thing to do, and that software should "just work" even if the accesspoint is not blasting it's SSID to everyone within 100 meter radius?

At any rate, wireless is freaking wonky and has been since 10.4.9, even WITH the SSID being broadcast, so that's no the issue anyway. Losing the connection every 5 minutes is.
 
****, i just got this news from a friend who works at apple and is OS X coder:

Deeply hurt by Linus Torvalds rant that Leopard has a crappy file-system, the entire OS X division and Apple have decided not to release 10.5.2 but instead continue to issue seeds to ACD members between now and the next 24 months until the file-system is completely re-written.

I'm not sure exactly (and he couldn't tell me) if it was ZFS or a different file-system.
Right. And I'm Steve Jobs. :eek:

By the way that builds are ramping up and being seeded (a 1 point increment being seeded to developers is a good sign that development is winding down and the update may be out soon -- perhaps we'll see it next week.)
 
It's good that they are taking the time to work on Safari. The Mac OS needs a stable, fully-functional browser that can do everything that IE does on the Windows side. I don't like having to use Firefox on some sites and Safari on others. :mad:

Please, :apple:, make Safari the only browser I need. :cool:
 
Maybe people are being "dense" because not broadcasting the SSID is perfectly normal thing to do, and that software should "just work" even if the accesspoint is not blasting it's SSID to everyone within 100 meter radius? Maybe we just assume that things work? I mean, disabling SSID-broadcasting is not unusual or unsupported feature. Maybe we have other things to do than muck around with our AP's that are working within established parameters?

Why do I get the feeling that if I or someone else tried enabling the broadcast, and it fixes the issue, you would then proclaim that "so just turn broadcasting on and be done with it"? No, that would not solve the issue.

Who said anything about that. I said EXPERIMENT to find out the CAUSE of the problem. If it still continues AFTER you enable SSID, then try it in other situations, other routers, and work out whether its a router issue or a wireless issue inside the laptop.

What is so damn difficult about that?!
 
How does stating the fact that Leopard is running fine for some offend you?:

You would understand if your wireless network connection was dropping every 20 minutes and then some fool said "works fine for me, Leopard can't be at fault."

It also somehow makes it worse that most of these people always claim to have a network of five Macs (always five) all running Leopard, as if that adds weight to their argument.

If you want to see how many problems Leopard has with networking, go take a peek at the Apple support forums.
 
Why is it that some people can't comprehend that just because they aren't having a problem that it means that others who are having problems must be doing something "weird."

There are tons of people who are having major airport / wifi problems after upgrading to leopard.

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=9211516

https://forums.macrumors.com/search/?searchid=9211532

I still say there is something "weird" going on. My MBP has been on DOZENS of wireless networks since I upgraded to Leopard, and I have never had any problems connecting or staying connected. Same goes for wired networks.

Unless it's some commonly used piece of third-party software, I don't see why so many people are having problems. If anything, Leopard's networking has been MORE solid than tiger's; Tiger used to have a delay of about 10 seconds before getting on wireless networks most of the time, whereas with Leopard it's instant. In fact it's SO fast that I wake the machine from sleep after moving to a new network, and in the time it takes me to type my password, Adium has already logged in and displayed all my contacts.

The only glitch I see is that at work, I'm always one bar short of "max" on signal strength no matter how close I am to an access point. But this doesn't affect connectivity; wireless network still works great.
 
Fixing that network connectivity issue would make me and my wife very happy!

I haven't tried every combination of wireless settings but when it works fine for a day and the next wonks out a couple of times a day it's really hard to pinpoint where the problems reside. Plus there are other wireless devices I need to support so making radical wireless setting changes to security or others isn't practical.

Edit: This is with a brand new MacBook Pro (our first Mac)
 
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