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OS X 10.5.2 (9C31) Seeded, Safari 3.1 Beta Incorporates Latest Webkit Features

c-ker said:
It's good that they are taking the time to work on Safari. The Mac OS needs a stable, fully-functional browser that can do everything that IE does on the Windows side. I don't like having to use Firefox on some sites and Safari on others. :mad:

Please, :apple:, make Safari the only browser I need. :cool:
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I'll second this motion. Safari continues to improve, but more work is needed.

Oh, and :apple:, can you please do something as simple as give us a new tab menu button without us having to use a third party app? Pretty please???
 
Uh, in your response to a message about Rosetta, you rhetorically asked why Apple should support an OS that is utterly obsolete. The very next sentence you claimed "OS 9 is dead, it's time to move on". If you didn't confuse Rosetta with Classic, then what in Spock's Beard were you talking about? :confused:;):D

Evangelion said:
I never claimed that Rosetta has anything to do with Classic. I even asked "what about it?".
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weaverra said:
Rossetta has nothing to do with OS 9. Your thinking of Classic which has been done away with for the Intel Macs and I believe Leopard totally. Rossetta allows PPC native apps to work on the Intel Macs
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Evangelion said:
What about it? Why should they waste time in supporting an OS that is utterly obsolete?

OS 9 is dead, it's time to move on.
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Sky Blue said:
cmd + T ?
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I know you can use the keyboard shortcut, but Firefox and just about every other web browser gives you the option to have a menu button to do the same thing. Sometimes I just don't want to pull the keyboard out from its ledge on my desk. Sometimes I just want to be lazy and click a button. It's the American way. :p:D
 
I have been having a connection problem for quite some time now. At first I thought it was our provider/router/modems fault (Arcor), but we switched providers about 3 weeks ago (Ish) and the problem persists.

Only other thing 2 things I can think of, is either being fixed in 10.5.2, or has to do with our d-lan setup.


Our main computer/modem and router are all upstairs (i live in the basement :( ). We also have heated floors and the pipes under the floor cause interferece with w-lan, and I do not have a port in my room. When I'm connected via d-lan, I get frequent disconnects, sometimes 2-3 minutes apart, sometimes 2-3 hours. Quite annoying when playing WoW and everyone but you stops moving. :rolleyes:

Anyway, when I'm sitting upstairs and using w-lan I have no problems whatsoever, even though my brother is also connected with his PC in his room (also in the basement).

O yes, If I'm downstairs and get disconnected...my brothers PC and the main computer upstairs both get disconnected as well, and we have to unplug the router for a few seconds to get it back up.

:S
 
WalrusCP said:
I know you can use the keyboard shortcut, but Firefox and just about every other web browser gives you the option to have a menu button to do the same thing. Sometimes I just don't want to pull the keyboard out from its ledge on my desk. Sometimes I just want to be lazy and click a button. It's the American way. :p:D
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I guess so..personally I think hitting cmd+T is easier than moving my hand to the mouse, moving the mouse to a button and clicking it.
 
kaiwai said:
Jesus's F*cking Christ; who said anything about that. I said EXPERIMENT to find out the CAUSE of the problem. If it still continues AFTER you enable SSID, then try it in other situations, other routers, and work out whether its a router issue or a wireless issue inside the laptop.

Again, what is it with thicko's around here who can't even do the most basic of diagnostic; it isn't about blaming you, it is about finding the damn cause of the problem, finding a bloody work around, then waiting for a bloody fix.

What is so damn difficult about that?!
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Simple question: what is your problem? Are you really unable to talk about this without getting so angry?
 
messedkid said:
I have been having a connection problem for quite some time now. At first I thought it was our provider/router/modems fault (Arcor), but we switched providers about 3 weeks ago (Ish) and the problem persists.

Only other thing 2 things I can think of, is either being fixed in 10.5.2, or has to do with our d-lan setup.


Our main computer/modem and router are all upstairs (i live in the basement :( ). We also have heated floors and the pipes under the floor cause Interference with w-lan, and I do not have a port in my room. When I'm connected via d-lan, I get frequent disconnects, sometimes 2-3 minutes apart, sometimes 2-3 hours. Quite annoying when playing WoW and everyone but you stops moving. :rolleyes:

Anyway, when I'm sitting upstairs and using w-lan I have no problems whatsoever, even though my brother is also connected with his PC in his room (also in the basement).

O yes, If I'm downstairs and get disconnected...my brothers PC and the main computer upstairs both get disconnected as well, and we have to unplug the router for a few seconds to get it back up.

:S
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Could be Interference from another wifi network, a microwave oven or a 2.4ghz cordless phone......try changing the channel that your wifi router uses to one thats not used in your area.....i did this and it sloved my signal drop out problems....
 
Exactly!

The primary reason Microsoft OS's tend to suck is their haste in pushing things out the door without complete and proper testing. Quite often, I even see that one of their updates has an update (or even 3 or 4) to finally get it right.

It seems to me like Apple is doing things the *right* way this time, making sure the issues they claim are fixed, really ARE fixed. All the people demanding 10.5.2 be released NOW would probably have been disappointed when their wireless networking was still dropping out randomly and so forth. (It sounds like this was quite possibly still being worked on until today's build!)

For people in server and some business environments, applying these updates is very disruptive. You have to log everybody out of whatever they're doing on your machine and go through the downtime while the update installs. Then, you have to be ready for any new issues the upgrade might potentially bring. It's to nobody's benefit to release these things "early and often".


Cromulent said:
Surely a longer wait is better?

I bet all those saying Apple should release it now would be back whining and whining if they found a bug in it. Just be glad that Apple are actually trying to fix as many bugs as they can instead of just releasing it as fast as possible.
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WalrusCP said:
That's what I usually do. But I like having options, what else can I say? :D
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Or, enable the option in Safari's preferences to 'always show the tab bar' even when there's only one tab. Now, you can right-click/ctrl+click/two-finger-tap the empty tab bar area and choose New Tab.

That's what I usually do.

I wouldn't use a 'new tab' toolbar button. However, I'd like Firefox-like behaviour where double-clicking in the empty tab bar area opens a new tab. But right-clicking's OK really.
 
No, something's going on .....

My girlfriend is a prime example. She purchased a white Macbook last year as a college student. It shipped with Tiger on it. When Leopard came out, I convinced her she should upgrade to it. She finally agreed she'd use "a few" of the new features (but obviously, she's not exactly a "power user" ... mainly just needs Microsoft Office and Internet connectivity).

I did an "archive and install" installation of Leopard on the machine for her, and the only 3rd. party extras she has installed on it include the latest version of StuffIt Deluxe, Adobe Acrobat Reader (why? I dunno... I think Preview is just fine!), and Yahoo Messenger for OS X beta 2.

As soon as I gave her the notebook back with Leopard on it, she started complaining that her wireless connection at her apartment was "cutting out all the time". Using the notebook at my house, I encountered the same behavior. It would work just great, showing a strong signal, but after maybe 15 minutes of use, it would suddenly act like there was no wireless router present at all anymore. Turning wi-fi off and back on would re-detect my router (again showing a strong signal) and it would pick back up where it left off.

Personally, I own the first edition of the Macbook Pro (2.0Ghz Core Duo model), and my upgrade to Leopard went just fine on it. No noticeable difference in my wi-fi performance at all.


zorinlynx said:
I still say there is something "weird" going on. My MBP has been on DOZENS of wireless networks since I upgraded to Leopard, and I have never had any problems connecting or staying connected. Same goes for wired networks.

Unless it's some commonly used piece of third-party software, I don't see why so many people are having problems. If anything, Leopard's networking has been MORE solid than tiger's; Tiger used to have a delay of about 10 seconds before getting on wireless networks most of the time, whereas with Leopard it's instant. In fact it's SO fast that I wake the machine from sleep after moving to a new network, and in the time it takes me to type my password, Adium has already logged in and displayed all my contacts.

The only glitch I see is that at work, I'm always one bar short of "max" on signal strength no matter how close I am to an access point. But this doesn't affect connectivity; wireless network still works great.
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WalrusCP said:
I'll second this motion. Safari continues to improve, but more work is needed.

Oh, and :apple:, can you please do something as simple as give us a new tab menu button without us having to use a third party app? Pretty please???
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If you right click on an open space on the tab bar, you get the option to open a new tab, so a button really isn't necessary.
 

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kaiwai said:
Who said anything about that. I said EXPERIMENT to find out the CAUSE of the problem. If it still continues AFTER you enable SSID, then try it in other situations, other routers, and work out whether its a router issue or a wireless issue inside the laptop.

What is so damn difficult about that?!
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Ok then explain this:

Why do people find their Computer suddenly stops working with a specific network as soon as Leopard is installed?

Why do people find that the same computer works fine with that network in Windows (boot camp)?

Why is it that every other device runs perfectly with that same network?

It's clearly an issue with Leopard and there's no need to get rude.
 
godrifle said:
Uh, in your response to a message about Rosetta, you rhetorically asked why Apple should support an OS that is utterly obsolete. The very next sentence you claimed "OS 9 is dead, it's time to move on". If you didn't confuse Rosetta with Classic, then what in Spock's Beard were you talking about? :confused:;):D
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Not responding to your comments but simply about OS 9 and earlier. It would be nice if VMWare could support early Mac OSs to run. I have tons of old stuff I enjoyed messing with. Heck how about Lisa too? I do have some emulation ability for Lisa, Apple /// and Apple 2 but they require OS 9 so catch 22 these days.

I realize Apple would have to give permission to VMWare to legally run any Apple OS but I am only talking about pre OS X so why not? I realize there is zero commercial value in it, but it would be nice to try out OS 9 on my new 8 Core MacPro.
 
stevegmu said:
If you right click on an open space on the tab bar, you get the option to open a new tab, so a button really isn't necessary.
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In that case, why bother with any of the buttons?

The function of them is accessible in other places.

Why have the dock? There are other ways to open things.

I want a new tab button, hell even Internet Explorer has one.
 
stevegmu said:
I never have that many open, but you can always Open Link in New Window.
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Yeah I know but there is nothing wrong with wanting an actual button even thought there are lots of alternatives, after all I cmd+click a link/cmd+t while others may ctrl+click tab bar, or file - new tab, so why leave out the people who want a button.

stevegmu said:
How is it any more difficult to click on an open space- if there is one, than press a tab button?
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Because the space might not be there and the button always will be.
 
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