OS X 10.5.2 (9C31) Seeded, Safari 3.1 Beta Incorporates Latest Webkit Features

[AidenShaw]

I never claimed that Rosetta has anything to do with Classic. I even asked "what about it?".

The "what" is that there's a proven technology (QuickTransit by Transitive) which eliminates the need for porting to the x86 architecture.

Apple could have done the work (probably significant) to get Classic or an OS9 "Wine-like" environment running under QuickTransit (aka "Rosetta").

So, the move to Intel was a convenient excuse for Apple to use to kill Classic, but it would have been possible to keep it around.

It would be nice if VMWare could support early Mac OSs to run.

VMware does not do instruction set (ISA) emulation, the virtual machines run with the native instruction set.

QEMU (http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/status.html) does ISA emulation, and already can run on Mac OSX Intel. That would be another option.

 

[hhaeschen]

I have been having a connection problem for quite some time now. At first I thought it was our provider/router/modems fault (Arcor), but we switched providers about 3 weeks ago (Ish) and the problem persists.

Only other thing 2 things I can think of, is either being fixed in 10.5.2, or has to do with our d-lan setup.


Our main computer/modem and router are all upstairs (i live in the basement ). We also have heated floors and the pipes under the floor cause interferece with w-lan, and I do not have a port in my room. When I'm connected via d-lan, I get frequent disconnects, sometimes 2-3 minutes apart, sometimes 2-3 hours. Quite annoying when playing WoW and everyone but you stops moving.

Anyway, when I'm sitting upstairs and using w-lan I have no problems whatsoever, even though my brother is also connected with his PC in his room (also in the basement).

O yes, If I'm downstairs and get disconnected...my brothers PC and the main computer upstairs both get disconnected as well, and we have to unplug the router for a few seconds to get it back up.

:S

You said that you switched the provider. But have you switched the router as well? When I was living in the US I had a Netgear router and expierenced the exact same problems as you are. Now back in Europe I am using a Linksys router and I haven't had a problem once.
I'v read on several forums that people keep having trouble with certain routers (regardless of Mac/PC/whatever). You might check on that.

 

[Daveoc64]

How is it any more difficult to click on an open space- if there is one, than press a tab button?

On my MacBook that means two fingers which is a pain when I want to do something so frequent.

I usually use Command + T which works, but again - two fingers.

In fact, trying it on this page it wont work!

No matter where I click, it wont give me that choice when I right click.

 

[stevegmu]

Yeah I know but there is nothing wrong with wanting an actual button even thought there are lots of alternatives, after all I cmd+click a link/cmd+t while others may ctrl+click tab bar, or file - new tab, so why leave out the people who want a button.



Because the space might not be there and the button always will be.

Just put this in terminal, and you won't have to cmd+ click anything to open a tab. It gives you a tab bar.


defaults write com.apple.Safari AlwaysShowTabBar -bool NO


I just opened up a lot of tabs, and you don't have to have an open space to open a new tab, just right click on any tab, and you get the option to open a new tab.

On my MacBook that means two fingers which is a pain when I want to do something so frequent.

I usually use Command + T which works, but again - two fingers.

In fact, trying it on this page it wont work!

No matter where I click, it wont give me that choice when I right click.

Do you have the tab bar turned on? See post #231.

 

[xUKHCx]

Just put this in terminal, and you won't have to cmd+ click anything to open a tab. It gives you a tab bar.

defaults write com.apple.Safari AlwaysShowTabBar -bool NO

Terminal is a bit overkill, can just use cmd+shift+t, or view - show tab bar

I just opened up a lot of tabs, and you don't have to have an open space to open a new tab, just right click on any tab, and you get the option to open a new tab.

Well pressing one button rather than pressing ctrl+click.

Why are you so ardently against having a button, which like all buttons in Safari you could remove. If it benefits some people then it is for the better.

 

[Daveoc64]

Do you have the tab bar turned on? See post #231.

No.

I don't like it being open when it's empty.

 

[stevegmu]

Terminal is a bit overkill, can just use cmd+shift+t, or view - show tab bar



Well pressing one button rather than pressing ctrl+click.

Why are you so ardently against having a button, which like all buttons in Safari you could remove. If it benefits some people then it is for the better.

I'm not against a tab button. One probably would be easier for those not using a mouse.

No.

I don't like it being open when it's empty.

You can just hide it when it is empty.

 

[Daveoc64]

I'm not against a tab button. One probably would be easier for those not using a mouse.



You can just hide it when it is empty.

It's simply not a button, I don't want a fast way of getting tabs, I know the keyboard shortcut, I know I can use the File menu - I just want (the option of) a button.

 

[0racle]

IIRC, when OS X was released, SJ said that it will be their foundation for the next decade or so. And that time is almost up. I bet that after 10.6 we will see OS 11. And that would mean that OS X would be "the OS" of Apple for about 10-12 years (from 2001 to 2010+). What happens in OS 11? I bet it will be Intel-only, it will have a new filesystem (ZFS), it will have a new kernel (Solaris-kernel?) and it will have a new UI. Everything else is up in the air.

So you think that after the purchase of NeXT, making it an Apple product, they're going to throw all that away and become a Sun Solaris VAR?

Maybe we can also convince Jobs to bring NeWS back?

 

[metaljunkie]

Webkit updates and 10.5.1 bugs.

I have been building Webkit from SVN for a few months now, and the striking differences recently is the rendering speed and lower memory usage.

Also, as there is no seed for Leopard posted on ADC, and the Tiger and Windows ones state "No known issues" it is possible that the final build of 10.5.2 will include Safari 3.1.

However, I would rather they took their time with it and got it right before releasing, which is what they appear to be doing.
Regarding bugs that I would like to see fixed; Firstly, I think they introduced problems with memory management into Leopard, it doesn't seem to cache as much as it should, and the free memory is too high a lot of the time. Tigers memory management was much more efficient, utilising the majority of the installed memory all the time.
Secondly, Safari 3.0's massive memory usage. Say no more.

Apart from that, it works fine for me.

 

[WalrusCP]

Wow, I didn't realize my innocent comment would issue a whole discussion on tabbing in Safari.

Or maybe I did...

Either way, my work is done here.

 

[stevegmu]

Wow, I didn't realize my innocent comment would issue a whole discussion on tabbing in Safari.

Or maybe I did...

Either way, my work is done here.

Actually, I didn't even know tabbing was possible in Safafi, until I came across it a while ago while looking at a site with terminal commands.

 

[xUKHCx]

Actually, I didn't even know tabbing was possible in Safafi, until I came across it a while ago while looking at a site with terminal commands.

So perhaps a button would have made it obvious, especially to any switchers from other browsers.

 

[Evangelion]

The "what" is that there's a proven technology (QuickTransit by Transitive) which eliminates the need for porting to the x86 architecture.

But it would still mean that Apple would have to support OS 9 in some shape or form. I bet they counted the hours until they could ditch that crap. And Intel-transition was a good opportunity to do just that.

OS 9 is dead. Just let it go.

 

[Evangelion]

Uh, in your response to a message about Rosetta, you rhetorically asked why Apple should support an OS that is utterly obsolete. The very next sentence you claimed "OS 9 is dead, it's time to move on". If you didn't confuse Rosetta with Classic, then what in Spock's Beard were you talking about?

Am I speaking latin or something? Here's a recap:

Someone commented on Apple not supporting Classic anymore on x86. I said that it makes no sense since OS9 is designed to PowerPC, and running it on x86 is an extra hassle for Apple. I then get a vague comment about Rosetta, to which I reply "What about it", and I then proceed to further comment that OS9 is dead and buried, and pining for it is useless, since it's utterly and hopelessly obsolete.

Where exactly am I mixing Rosetta with Classic? I never talked about Rosetta until someone else mentioned it

 

[Evangelion]

Who said anything about that. I said EXPERIMENT to find out the CAUSE of the problem. If it still continues AFTER you enable SSID, then try it in other situations, other routers, and work out whether its a router issue or a wireless issue inside the laptop.

I'm sorry, but I have better things to do with my time and money. The router works just fine with other machines and OS'es, has worked for years. I got these issues with Leopard. And now I should run around changing settings and hardware for what? To make sure that the problem is not with the router, even though that exact same router works with other systems just fine, except my Leopard-running MBP? And like I said: I don't find this problem to be that serious.

What is so damn difficult about that?!

Why is it so damn difficult for you to understand that

a) I have other things to do with my time
b) I have other things to do with my money (AP's cost money you know)
c) It works with other systems just fine
d) It worked in Tiger just fine
e) The problem doesn't bother me that much

Seriously: go take a valium or something.

 

[happydude]

It's simply not a button, I don't want a fast way of getting tabs, I know the keyboard shortcut, I know I can use the File menu - I just want (the option of) a button.

agreed, why not have the option? you can use it if you want, ignore it if you don't want it. not a bit deal. i, for one, would use it.

 

[hob]

Release date: from an Apple Engineer

I was just on the phone to an Apple engineer for about an hour, and he happened to mention when I told him I was on OS X 10.5.1 that "we have a software update coming out end of this week, or end of next week".

So I call dibs on tonight, tomorrow, and next thursday and friday too! You heard it here first, folks!!

 

[Sky Blue]

I was just on the phone with Steve Jobs for about 5 hours, and he happened to mention that "we have a software update coming out before the end of February".

So I call second dibs on tonight, tomorrow, and next thursday and friday too!
and I call dibs on the week after that.

 

[IT-Pro]

I was just on the phone with Steve Jobs for about 5 hours, and he happened to mention that "we have a software update coming out before the end of February".

He's problably right, like he always is. Steve Jobs for the win!

So I call second dibs on tonight, tomorrow, and next thursday and friday too!
and I call dibs on the week after that.

Why not just mention every day except Sunday? At least you're right one time.

 

[Daveoc64]

I was just on the phone to an Apple engineer for about an hour, and he happened to mention when I told him I was on OS X 10.5.1 that "we have a software update coming out end of this week, or end of next week".

So I call dibs on tonight, tomorrow, and next thursday and friday too! You heard it here first, folks!!

I guess it's entirely possible that they are jumping on the rumor bandwagon.

 

[xUKHCx]

He's problably right, like he always is. Steve Jobs for the win!

Why not just mention every day except Sunday? At least you're right one time.

Why not mention Sunday, that way there is a chance you will be wrong. There is a post floating around somewhere that details the previous days that updates were released and Sunday was one of them.

 

[milo]

Why not mention Sunday, that way there is a chance you will be wrong. There is a post floating around somewhere that details the previous days that updates were released and Sunday was one of them.

I don't think that's right. In the lists I've seen it has been every weekday, none on weekends. Which on Sunday?

 

[weaverra]

I never claimed that Rosetta has anything to do with Classic. I even asked "what about it?".

It's just how it was worded. I see what your saying now.

 

[xUKHCx]

I don't think that's right. In the lists I've seen it has been every weekday, none on weekends. Which on Sunday?

Found the post

Chance? Sure, there's always a chance. That and a dollar will buy you a cup of coffee.

Someone was asking about which days of the week updates usually are released. Here is a summary:

10.0.1 - 10.0.4: Saturday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
10.1.1 - 10.1.5: Tuesday (twice), Wednesday, Thursday (twice)
10.2.1 - 10.2.8: Monday (twice), Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday (3 times), Friday
10.3.1 - 10.3.9: Sunday, Monday (twice), Wednesday (4 times), Friday (twice)
10.4.1 - 10.4.11: Monday (3 times), Tuesday (5 times), Wednesday (twice), Friday,
10.5.1: Thursday

I'm afraid I don't see much of a pattern.

Having looked through apples pages for 10.3.1-10.3.9 I can't find the one that was released on a Sunday, so perhaps this information is wrong. However that said there is a chance they could release it on a Sunday so why not include it in the list.