OS X 10.9 Build Number Suggests Extensive Internal Development

[shadowlawless]

I want them to get rid of the whole duplicate and save mess. Save and Save as wasn't broken and so didn't need to be fixed.

This too, it makes saving very inconsistent on the OS as a whole. every other major application still uses save and save as and i dont see any signs of them changing that. its just apple being difficult and trying to be smart

when you want to save something you think save, if you want to create another version of the same document you think "save as a new version" which makes perfect sense even if you had never used a computer before.

the word duplicate implies creating an exact copy likely for a back up or to save the exact same document somewhere else not necessarily "create new document with different name" its illogical

 

[Aaron from KY]

10.9 Ocelot

 

[jonnysods]

That would be great if the wait time for the OS isn't too long - if this next update is any good that is!

 

[Risco]

It actually suggests a two year development cycle.

Mountain Lion only had 1 year as it was just a tidy up of Lion and thus 200+ builds. All others have a 2 year development cycle and thus in the 400 - 500 number. I therefore suggest that this will the equivalent maturity to Snow Leopard / Lion upon release and thus we can expect a plethora of NEW features.

 

[2cool4games]

Why can't they ever complete a operating system. They never fight for a bug free operating system they just make more instead... That's why I am still running snow leopard on all of my macs.

 

[ChrisA]

Everyone seems to be asking for tiny incremental changes. I'd like to see some much bigger changes:

1) A new file system that implements "copy on write"

2) With the above: Allow near real time file syncing between any two Macs or between a Mac and Time machine, not one an hour but continuously.

3) multi-user concurrency built into every app. This why two people can use the same iPhone or Aperture library. Three people can edit the same Pages document at once (like you can with Google Docs)

4) a local "iCloud" so you documents can folow you with out having to make a trip to the Internet and back withits time deleay and space limit. If I could have a local cloud then my 300GB Aperture library can follow me from my iMac to my Macbook

5) use any IOS device as a trackpad for a NMac and also as a second or third screen. Drage controls from any Mac App to my IOS screen. For example I simply drage a slider control from Garage Band to my iPod Touch and now I have a remote volume control (or graphic eq. or whatever.)

6) run iPad apps directly on my mac.

7) web cam input. the cam watches my hands and "sees" where I point my finger(s) or even where my eyes are looking.

8) Using "unused" computers on the local net to add processing pose to the computer where the user is. Say I'm using my macbook and the iMac has the screen blanker on. SO why not send some of the CPU intensive jobs over to the unused iMac, things like video transcoding or even voice transcriptions or whatever.

9) make "remote access" universal across all Apple products. Any screen and connect to any device and will work within the limts of the screen size.

I've got dozens more but you'll get the idea. there is an endless list of stuff they could do.

 

[Sandstorm]

Why do people have such a problem with Mission Control? Launchpad I can understand, it doesn't make navigating apps any easier. Especially since you can't remove them without 3rd party programs. But Mission Control is awesome. I love being able to 4-finger swipe between full screen apps. It makes my multitasking so much easier.

One thing I hope they fix in this next one though is when I 2-finger swipe in safari to go back it shouldn't have to reload the whole page every time.

I don't know - I love Mission Control. And I even like Launchpad - I'd only wish it was more customisable and easier to manage.

 

[Tankmaze]

I just hope Apple opens WWDC with a bang. iOS 7 and OSX 10.9 is just a tip of the iceberg hopefully.

 

[Patriot24]

5) use any IOS device as a trackpad for a NMac and also as a second or third screen. Drage controls from any Mac App to my IOS screen. For example I simply drage a slider control from Garage Band to my iPod Touch and now I have a remote volume control (or graphic eq. or whatever.)

Yes. It seems inevitable at some point to include more robust interoperability betwixt devices in this manner.

6) run iPad apps directly on my mac.

Be careful what you wish for (iOS 10.9).

 

[verniesgarden]

I don't know - I love Mission Control. And I even like Launchpad - I'd only wish it was more customisable and easier to manage.

I think the dock is gonna go away, just launchpad, and I'd fine with it. finally get it out of my way when i'm working on photoshop

 

[JoshJosh117]

Everyone seems to be asking for tiny incremental changes. I'd like to see some much bigger changes:

1) A new file system that implements "copy on write"

2) With the above: Allow near real time file syncing between any two Macs or between a Mac and Time machine, not one an hour but continuously.

3) multi-user concurrency built into every app. This why two people can use the same iPhone or Aperture library. Three people can edit the same Pages document at once (like you can with Google Docs)

4) a local "iCloud" so you documents can folow you with out having to make a trip to the Internet and back withits time deleay and space limit. If I could have a local cloud then my 300GB Aperture library can follow me from my iMac to my Macbook

5) use any IOS device as a trackpad for a NMac and also as a second or third screen. Drage controls from any Mac App to my IOS screen. For example I simply drage a slider control from Garage Band to my iPod Touch and now I have a remote volume control (or graphic eq. or whatever.)

6) run iPad apps directly on my mac.

7) web cam input. the cam watches my hands and "sees" where I point my finger(s) or even where my eyes are looking.

8) Using "unused" computers on the local net to add processing pose to the computer where the user is. Say I'm using my macbook and the iMac has the screen blanker on. SO why not send some of the CPU intensive jobs over to the unused iMac, things like video transcoding or even voice transcriptions or whatever.

9) make "remote access" universal across all Apple products. Any screen and connect to any device and will work within the limts of the screen size.

I've got dozens more but you'll get the idea. there is an endless list of stuff they could do.

I don't think there will be a major new filesystem until OSXI. Also there are already some third party solutions to #5 (mostly for DAWs)

 

[manu chao]

This too, it makes saving very inconsistent on the OS as a whole. every other major application still uses save and save as and i dont see any signs of them changing that. its just apple being difficult and trying to be smart

when you want to save something you think save, if you want to create another version of the same document you think "save as a new version" which makes perfect sense even if you had never used a computer before.

the word duplicate implies creating an exact copy likely for a back up or to save the exact same document somewhere else not necessarily "create new document with different name" its illogical

How do you move from A to B without being inconsistent on the way in between?
The only way is to start a completely separate OS, like iOS (OS X was that to some extent as well but it still had Classic).

 

[cambookpro]

OS X 10.9 Lynx
OS X 10.10 Desert Lynx

OS X 10.11 Serval
OS X 10.12 White Serval

OS Xi 11.0 Milky Way
OS Xi 11.1 Andromeda


...heard it here first!

 

[manu chao]

Not to mention it seems with every new version of OSX gets buggier then the previous lately.

And the older you get, the more reminiscent you get about the past.

 

[mysticalos]

build number doesn't necessarily mean more time in development. it really just means more commits/builds. You could build it 10 times in a single day or 1 time in a single week. the 1 time will still likely have more code changes than the single day. I wouldn't read too much into large build numbers other than fact that they are committing/building their workflow more often than before which could simply suggest that they want QA to have more frequent updated test builds to ensure rapid releases doesn't mean buggy ones.

 

[runeapple]

Everyone seems to be asking for tiny incremental changes. I'd like to see some much bigger changes:

1) A new file system that implements "copy on write"

2) With the above: Allow near real time file syncing between any two Macs or between a Mac and Time machine, not one an hour but continuously.

3) multi-user concurrency built into every app. This why two people can use the same iPhone or Aperture library. Three people can edit the same Pages document at once (like you can with Google Docs)

4) a local "iCloud" so you documents can folow you with out having to make a trip to the Internet and back withits time deleay and space limit. If I could have a local cloud then my 300GB Aperture library can follow me from my iMac to my Macbook

5) use any IOS device as a trackpad for a NMac and also as a second or third screen. Drage controls from any Mac App to my IOS screen. For example I simply drage a slider control from Garage Band to my iPod Touch and now I have a remote volume control (or graphic eq. or whatever.)

6) run iPad apps directly on my mac.

7) web cam input. the cam watches my hands and "sees" where I point my finger(s) or even where my eyes are looking.

8) Using "unused" computers on the local net to add processing pose to the computer where the user is. Say I'm using my macbook and the iMac has the screen blanker on. SO why not send some of the CPU intensive jobs over to the unused iMac, things like video transcoding or even voice transcriptions or whatever.

9) make "remote access" universal across all Apple products. Any screen and connect to any device and will work within the limts of the screen size.

I've got dozens more but you'll get the idea. there is an endless list of stuff they could do.

Number 8 - Cluster networks are already possible..

 

[Nermal]

Most of which are rather obscure in nature.

I'm sure that they'll never top the cancel button in AirDrop!

To cancel an incoming transfer, open the Downloads stack and click the X that appears on the icon.

(yes, that was one of the official 250 new features in Lion)

 

[axman]

New Look OS X?

So, apparently "13" refers to OS X 10.9, "A" refers to the 10.9.0 version, and "451" is part of a sequential numbering of compiled builds. If you look at Mountain Lion, that had 269 builds prior to release, previous versions which were on a two year release cycle had around 500 builds before release. So, this possibly suggests that the next version of OS X has been in development for two years. And that makes a lot of sense. Work on a major release, then start working both on a minor release that builds upon your new release *and* also start work on the next major release at the same time

I remember when Mountain Lion came out, I just thought, pffff… not much new there apart from a few features built on top of the existing Lion. So I guess we might see some quite major new stuff in 10.9. What the hell are they going to call it if they stick to the cats naming convention!?

Given that it's known that Jonny Ive has been tasked with giving iOS a UI overhaul, is it possible that he's also been at work giving OS X one too? Seems unlikely Apple would release two completely different looking OSes when they've been striving very hard for as much convergence of the two in recent years. So, perhaps this won't be 10.9 at all, but OS X 11 with a completely new look? Perhaps they were aware that they were ending the 10.x line when they named the OS 'Lion', the king of cats?

 

[manu chao]

Snow Mountain Lion

In all seriousness, I can think of a few features that would be great:
- Undo Mission Control and Launchpad. Honestly, that was the biggest heap of crap ever. They took all the awesome features of Snow Leopard, then scrambled them little enough that you could still see the resemblance, but they weren't actually useful anymore.
- Resolution Independence.
- A decent file sharing system, modeled after Dropbox.

- What about Launchpad needs to be undone? I never use the Chess app but I don't feel it should be undone just because it takes up some space on my HDD. If you don't want to see Launchpad, you don't have to see it.
- The only real thing that changed with Expose was the grouping of windows by application in the all windows view. I wasn't too fond of that change either but you adapt your reflexes pretty fast too that.
- Resolution Independence is there on the Retina screen. On other screens it just looks too crummy. As Retina screens spread to more product lines, we will get more resolution independence.
- What is the value of an Apple clone of Dropbox?

 

[CGJay]

Maybe they will start to use the Swahili names for cats?

OS X 10.9 Simba
OS X 10.10 Duma
Etc.

In all seriousness, I'd like to see some changes to OS X:
- Maps, not as a standalone app but for use instead of Google Maps
- Faster shutdowns
- iMessage that works
- An easy way to uninstall apps
- Advanced OS X Server (even if it's a third standalone installation), my school of 1000+ would like to have greater control over what specific features are allowed on the OS
- Password sync
- New versions of Pages, Numbers and Keynote
- Improvement in iMovie so it works better when files are sourced remotely (as in, on a server)
- iCloud collaboration
- AirDrop via Ethernet
- Removal of that ugly grey bar at the bottom of Safari and replace it with a soft pop-up (like Chrome) when your curser goes over a link

Slightly ambitious, but meh

 

[milo]

build number doesn't necessarily mean more time in development. it really just means more commits/builds.

That's not what I've heard, supposedly for Apple it's the number of days in development, they can have days with no builds and days with multiple builds, so that the builds can skip numbers.

 

[thekeyring]

If one of the features of OS X 10.9 is that it's more efficient than Snow Leopard I will be a very happy man.

 

[gorskiegangsta]

I hope it's more like Snow Leopard..

Does anyone have any idea what it will be named?

OS X Liger, obviously!

 

[shadowlawless]

AND much more

reading all the comments made me realise how much of a huge jump this next version has to make.

Multiple monitors -

full screen working on both monitors

the dock, the status bar, launchpad, mission control and opening and closing apps, need to be "monitor aware". stop forcing me to go back and forth between monitors it is actually very aggravating.

File system -

Arrange by "x" then "y" example "type" then "date created"

Still no easy way to delete files from memory stick permanently, it shouldnt require that i empty my trashcan every time.

Save and save as. There was no need to remove this, the current implementation is illogical as duplicate suggests "create an exact copy" not "create new version". Plus most large software companies are still using the normal method making the whole process inconsistent .

share menu add bluetooth and connected iOS devices to this list, also allow third parties to add their apps to this list.

iCloud storage needs to be more transparent and configurable, right now its just cumbersome.

horizontal scroll bar makes it difficult to select bottom item in list view when it appears over said item.

an easy way to uninstall (completely) apps

Lauchpad -

re designed method for rearranging apps, "click, drag then wait per item" is simply not good enough for 2013 neither is it fast enoguh or intuitive. multiple select maybe ?

Scrollable folders, never understood why apple thought folders should have a limit, still dont understand. they tried the same thing with folders in the dock and were ultimately forced to change it. right now i have 2 utility folders purely because i have more than can fit in a single folder

Status bar -

able to collapse icons on right hand side, to allow you to keep icons in the status bar but hide ones not used frequently and/or for aesthetics.

Itunes -

get rid of this whole syncing nonsense and just make a highly intuitive "push" content manager for ios devices. i.e. easily add and remove media and documents from the device on mass in real time, if i just want to swap out my music i should be able to do so without "syncing" and potentially messing up my home screen or accidentally erasing anything else. Also an intuitive interface for rearranging multiple home screens, again "click, drag then wait per item" is just not good enough anymore.

If i authorise my laptop with my itunes account, it should not keep trying to erase all content on my new iphone just so it can "sync" to a new computer. i dont want or need to "Sync" i just want to put some s*** on my phone or iPad.

 

[Risco]

So, apparently "13" refers to OS X 10.9, "A" refers to the 10.9.0 version, and "451" is part of a sequential numbering of compiled builds. If you look at Mountain Lion, that had 269 builds prior to release, previous versions which were on a two year release cycle had around 500 builds before release. So, this possibly suggests that the next version of OS X has been in development for two years. And that makes a lot of sense. Work on a major release, then start working both on a minor release that builds upon your new release *and* also start work on the next major release at the same time

I remember when Mountain Lion came out, I just thought, pffff… not much new there apart from a few features built on top of the existing Lion. So I guess we might see some quite major new stuff in 10.9. What the hell are they going to call it if they stick to the cats naming convention!?

Given that it's known that Jonny Ive has been tasked with giving iOS a UI overhaul, is it possible that he's also been at work giving OS X one too? Seems unlikely Apple would release two completely different looking OSes when they've been striving very hard for as much convergence of the two in recent years. So, perhaps this won't be 10.9 at all, but OS X 11 with a completely new look? Perhaps they were aware that they were ending the 10.x line when they named the OS 'Lion', the king of cats?

Erm I said about the cycle thing above on the same page, post 79...