OS X 10.9 Build Number Suggests Extensive Internal Development

[manu chao]

It would take something special to get me to upgrade from Snow Leopard. 10.6 was the peak of OS X.

Or rather when OS X got good enough that you didn't feel there was more that you needed.

And I am still amazed that the biggest and most useful new feature in Lion and Mountain Lion is hated so much because it requires a tiny change in behaviour.

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I want to see improved networking support, with WebDAV included in base operating system so that every day users can share files/directories over WebDAV. I also want to see Open Directory deprecated and replaced with a very powerful mobile device management implementation!

Who needs WebDAV, Snow Leopard is perfect.

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Snow Leopard was fully 64-bit and was really optimized. If the next version of OS X is just an update for optimization (and fixing the *@%! fullscreen system), I would be happy. I don't need much of the new features. I still prefer Snow Leopard over all OS X versions I have used.

Do you like the fullscreen feature in Snow Leopard better than the one in Lion?

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I want them to get rid of the whole duplicate and save mess. Save and Save as wasn't broken and so didn't need to be fixed.

So, you never were trying a quit an application (or log out or shut down) only do presented with dialogue boxes: Do you want to save changes to XXX?

And you never ever wished you could undo something you had done to a document that the normal undo couldn't reach anymore?

 

[Rudy69]

Wait... so they've been working on OS X 10.9 this ENTIRE TIME?! I thought they just looked at their watches, said "Crap WWDC is in like 3 weeks!!", and then threw some code together....

The point is that the previous rumors have been talking about a slower development for OSX because they moved some developers to work on iOS

 

[roadbloc]

Another year, another 200+ 'features' with only ten of them being noticeable. Maybe OS X will have the integrated maps app we've all be hoping for. Or perhaps a world clock app. Or if we're lucky, even maybe an Apple Store app.

 

[G4DP]

It actually suggests a two year development cycle.

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Mountain Lion only had 1 year as it was just a tidy up of Lion and thus 200+ builds. All others have a 2 year development cycle and thus in the 400 - 500 number. I therefore suggest that this will the equivalent maturity to Snow Leopard / Lion upon release and thus we can expect a plethora of NEW features.

Slight flaw in your thinking. Snow Leopard was just a tidy up of what Leopard should have been.

 

[ThisIsNotMe]

Number 8 - Cluster networks are already possible..

If you have specially written software, that was the downfall with xGrid and/or other similar software in the consumer/small business realm.

I should be able to commit a render job on a single machine and have the computations dispatched to other computers without having to run special rendering client software on the network cluster.

Think virtual cpus.

 

[manu chao]

Still dont understand why they haven't figured out a way to use multiple monitors yet?

The whole full screen app debacle aside

I guess you would have been happier if the fullscreen feature would have been automatically disabled as soon as you connect a second monitor. As nice as using two apps fullscreen on two different monitors would be, Snow Leopard didn't have that feature either but apparently it was 'better'.

And to have two fullscreen apps running side by side you need something to highlight which app currently has the focus (ie, which app receives the keyboard shortcuts), otherwise you'd create a mess in no time. You know, something like a small bar on top of the screen that shows the name of the app that has focus.

 

[smithrh]

I want them to get rid of the whole duplicate and save mess. Save and Save as wasn't broken and so didn't need to be fixed.

I liked what they were trying to do (don't forget the versioning as well), but I've got decades of experience with Save and Save As...

The number of times I've almost punched my Mac over this has been legion. Work in Office for a while, do it this way. Switch over to Pages, dammit, now use this other system.

 

[milo]

You know, something like a small bar on top of the screen that shows the name of the app that has focus.

Because of course, without a menu bar, it's just flat out impossible to show which window has focus. Can't be done. Gee, I'm so glad Apple saved us from that horrible situation!

 

[autrefois]

Wait... so they've been working on OS X 10.9 this ENTIRE TIME?! I thought they just looked at their watches, said "Crap WWDC is in like 3 weeks!!", and then threw some code together....

No, you're thinking of Mountain Lion.

 

[manu chao]

Because of course, without a menu bar, it's just flat out impossible to show which window has focus. Can't be done. Gee, I'm so glad Apple saved us from that horrible situation!

Technically, anything that indicates the app with focus is taking away some screen real estate and thus is no longer fullscreen (though, one could have one screen to pulse slightly or the monitors themselves could have a small status light).

 

[mdriftmeyer]

OS X 10.9 Catnip: It's addictive. You'll keep coming back for more.

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Give me the option to dwrite nsopenstep menus or something to that effect that gives me Vertical Tear Off Windows ala NeXTSTEP/Openstep for Mach and I'll forgive the Full-screen mode.

Having stored submenu states in an app after I close and are restored when I open with a very minimalist canvas to work on that has a floating Inspector Panel of most-often used functionality is something OS X has needed since it when Mac OS 9 on steroids.

 

[iFitzgerald]

Here's what I'd like to see:

NUMBER ONE - Performance. I have Snow Leopard on my MBP and Mountain Lion on my iMac. ML on my MBP was horrible. Sluggish performance, long startup and shutdown times (I shutdown my machines all the time to save energy...sue me). I hope 10.9 has a focus on making things smooth again;

Number One.One - Keep up with the latest OpenGL extensions, please just do. While I don't see my macs as gaming machines and I'm not a big gamer as I once was, I still play a game or two. It would be nice to see some boosted performance;

Number Two - Improved Finder. I mean, really, improve the damn thing. I want the items to adapt to the window size, cut via cmd-x (I know, there's a move shortcut, but why not a damn cmd-x?!), middle click to open folder, tabs (middle click would allow new tab or new window), the snap to the sides from Windows 7...heck just get XtraFinder/Hyperdock/PathFinder into OSX;

Number Twne - Still in finder, make delete easier. When deleting app, make it like using AppCleaner, it gets all the trash from it and deletes it and for USB Drives, don't make me use the Recycle Bin, just delete it in one go;

Number Three - Allow to choose between Mission Control or Spaces + Exposé;

Number Four - Allow to set the Save feature with the versions on or off (with old save and save as);

Number Five - Remove Skeuomorphism;

Number Six - Make iCloud more powerful like Dropbox, and Notes more powerful like Evernote;

Number Seven - Improve Mac App Store Performance and get Dashboard Widgets in there;

OFF 10.9
- Update iWork, I mean COME ON!!! It's been Four Years;

Sorry for long post :x

 

[koban4max]

10.9 Hello Kitty

I'm sure there are going to be few "wow" features..but other than..it might contain more bugs than features...maybe extra 20 seconds to shut down the computer= total of 50 seconds to shutdown.

 

[Che Castro]

Will this 10.9 be a free update ?

 

[ScottishCaptain]

Will this 10.9 be a free update ?

10.6 wasn't. 10.7 wasn't. 10.8 wasn't.

What makes you think 10.9 will be?

-SC

 

[JayCee842]

I'm really not even looking forward to this at all. OSX announcements used to be exciting, but newer features like Launchpad and Mission Control do not add anything to my experience whatsoever. Even the under the hood improvements rarely seem particularly interesting anymore. I still get every new version, but that's mostly because I feel forced to for compatibility reasons.

Honestly, without a fundamental change to the way the computer works (something one might expect in an OSXI, not an 10.9), I don't even know what features I would like them to add anymore.

I completely agree with you. iOS 7 is the main focus here. The rest hardly matters at all...

 

[manu chao]

Number Six - Make iCloud more powerful like Dropbox

What is the value in creating a Dropbox clone?

 

[Manderby]

Do you like the fullscreen feature in Snow Leopard better than the one in Lion?

Believe it or not, there was a more or less straight forward way of doing full screen since 10.0. It was not difficult to do while allowing a programmer to use any screen setup he liked. It was not declared as a system-wide feature to the end-user thought. Which was good, because not every application makes sense to run in full screen. So the answer is: Yes

So, you never were trying a quit an application (or log out or shut down) only do presented with dialogue boxes: Do you want to save changes to XXX?

Yes, that's exactly what I expect a computer to do. He has to do as I command. And if the computer sees that I forgot to save something which I might want to save, then he must ask. Not assume something. At least not with something as important as saving files.

And you never ever wished you could undo something you had done to a document that the normal undo couldn't reach anymore?

The answer is not completely but almost vanishingly close to a 100% NO. I have more problems now with lost data because the system does not tell me that it did overwrite contents which might have been correct versions of something I did not intend to change in the first place.

 

[Bubba Satori]

OS X.9 Great Big Housecat

 

[manu chao]

Believe it or not, there was a more or less straight forward way of doing full screen since 10.0. It was not difficult to do while allowing a programmer to use any screen setup he liked. It was not declared as a system-wide feature to the end-user thought. Which was good, because not every application makes sense to run in full screen. So the answer is: Yes

Well, and every programmer can still use any screen setup he likes. So nothing really has changed here. Unless you find it offensive that Apple advertises a feature that you don't find useful. But I am not sure how commercial language on a website affects your usage of the OS.

Yes, that's exactly what I expect a computer to do. He has to do as I command. And if the computer sees that I forgot to save something which I might want to save, then he must ask. Not assume something. At least not with something as important as saving files.

So, you find it offensive that applications only ask you to give a new document a name when you close a document and not when you quit the application? Well, there is a preference setting for that.
And you find it offensive that document states are preserved when you shutdown a computer (or quit an app) instead of only being preserved when you hide an app or put the computer to sleep? Well, even for that is a preference setting.

The answer is not completely but almost vanishingly close to a 100% NO. I have more problems now with lost data because the system does not tell me that it did overwrite contents which might have been correct versions of something I did not intend to change in the first place.

And because YOU never make mistakes, people who make mistakes should not be offered a safety net? Got it.
And there is no way to loose data in the way you describe it because there is the nice command 'Revert to last Saved' and 'Revert to last Opened'. Thus until you hit save yourself, your last saved (or opened) state is always accessible.

 

[Saladinos]

Believe it or not, there was a more or less straight forward way of doing full screen since 10.0. It was not difficult to do while allowing a programmer to use any screen setup he liked. It was not declared as a system-wide feature to the end-user thought. Which was good, because not every application makes sense to run in full screen. So the answer is: Yes


Yes, that's exactly what I expect a computer to do. He has to do as I command. And if the computer sees that I forgot to save something which I might want to save, then he must ask. Not assume something. At least not with something as important as saving files.


The answer is not completely but almost vanishingly close to a 100% NO. I have more problems now with lost data because the system does not tell me that it did overwrite contents which might have been correct versions of something I did not intend to change in the first place.

1. The zoom button was NOT a fullscreen button. Everybody always confused them, and I bet it was the number 1 or 2 most frustrating thing for new Mac owners.

2. Auto-save isn't the whole story; it's auto-save with versions. You don't need to ever save anything again, and if you need to roll back you can do it better than on any other platform.

 

[iFitzgerald]

What is the value in creating a Dropbox clone?

Essentially, the purpose of this would be to make it easier to sync files with other users (improving the way you work) without having to resort to third party applications.

Or imagine you can put your (small) webpage on iCloud just like using the Public Folder on Dropbox and then redirect your domain to use the address of your site on iCloud. Now imagine you have a gallery on the site, that fetches your photos from iPhoto that you uploaded via iCloud. You take a picture, and there, it's already on your webpage. This is a tighter level of integration that I find very interesting.

Also, imagine they tighten iWork with iCloud as well, and you and another user could work in a file at the same (like Google Drive Essentially). You would have a lot of potential without having to resort to third party apps.

 

[Lolito]

question:

If i prefer much more stock android that iphone any day, I use no tablet, retina macbooks are expensive and not upgradable and rely only in ssd (seems like having a hdd nowadays is a kick ass feature), and osx is worse each year...

Microsoft has never ever been in their history as closed as apple is right now... Apple is really microsofting itself, just a decade later...

WHERE AND WHO IS THE NEXT APPLE???

 

[manu chao]

Essentially, the purpose of this would be to make it easier to sync files with other users (improving the way you work) without having to resort to third party applications.

So, essentially the same in green.

Or imagine you can put your (small) webpage on iCloud just like using the Public Folder on Dropbox and then redirect your domain to use the address of your site on iCloud. Now imagine you have a gallery on the site, that fetches your photos from iPhoto that you uploaded via iCloud. You take a picture, and there, it's already on your webpage. This is a tighter level of integration that I find very interesting.

As long as it is normal static webpage (ie, what you can do in the public Dropbox folder), there is zero advantage to having iPhoto point to an accessible share on Apple's or Dropbox's servers.

And if you want automatic image presentation on the web, Flickr, Instagram and Co. are far better solutions than a pokey static web gallery.

Also, imagine they tighten iWork with iCloud as well, and you and another user could work in a file at the same (like Google Drive Essentially). You would have a lot of potential without having to resort to third party apps.

Yeah, that is the holy grail of cloud computing. And this will never work satisfactorily for any complex documents unless you can compartmentalize any edits (eg, one person work inside a textbox and another person moving the textbox). Apps that allow essentially remote life typing for plain-text only have existed for a lot of years and haven't exactly set the world on fire (well one was bought, shut down, and folded into Buzz only for the later, the 'ultimate concurrent access document' to be shut down within less than a year).

Yes, Google Docs works for simple enough stuff but don't expect for things to not occasionally get messed up.

 

[BTW]

I'd like to see iOS break free from iDevices and start to have its own Macbook and Mac Mini form factors. OSX 10.9 can slowly be faded out with iOS becoming the replacement OS.

The trackpad on the iOS laptop could have a faint grid painted on it that represents the grid of icons on the screen. If your finger moves then you're not opening the app but rather moving it.

A new Mac Mini can accommodate iOS with a new wireless keyboard and built-in trackpad similar to the iOS laptop.